Jesus Abolishes the Law. We Establish the Law.

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Robert Pate

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These are two separate acts. Jesus abolished the law because it was no longer needed. Not only that, it was contrary to us, no one could keep it or do it, Colossians 2:14. The law was abolished because it was part of the Old Covenant. While Jesus was dying on the cross God tore the veil that covered the "Holy of Holies" from the top to the bottom, Matthew 27:51, that signified the end of the Old Covenant, the law and the Jewish religion. This is why Paul wrote, "The Just Shall Live By Faith" Romans 1:17.and NOT by rules, laws or religion.

For the Christian the law has been abolished, Ephesians 2:15 For the unbeliever they are under it and will be judged by it. To be under the law or to live according to the law is to under a curse, Galatians 3:10. Christians live by faith and the Holy Spirit, not by laws, Romans 8:2.

HOW DO WE ESTABLISH THE LAW?

The word "Establish" in the Greek, Strong's Concordance, word #2476 means to up hold, to abide, to present, stand by. We do not disrespect the law because it has been abolished and we are no longer under it. Paul said,

"Do we then make void the law through faith? God forbid: we establish the law" Romans 3:31

If you are a Christian, then you are an example of God's law. Before I was saved, I hated to be around Christians because they reminded me of my lost condition. I had a good friend his name was Jerry. Jerry Got saved and was a professing and witnessing Christian. When I saw Jerry coming I took off in the opposite direction. I thought, oh no, Jerry is going to tell me that I need to get saved again. He was right and I knew it.

Paul said, "Wherefore the law was our schoolmaster to bring us to Christ" Galatians 3:24.

What does the law say to us? The law says that you are a lost sinner that needs to be saved by Jesus Christ. Jerry was an example of God's law. When I saw Jerry coming I was convicted of my need for Christ. Christians bring people to Christ by their example.

Jesus said, "You are the salt of the earth. You are the light of the world. Let your light shine before men" Matthew 5:13-16.

This is how we establish the law. We establish the law by being in Christ and living by faith and the Holy Spirit.
 

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strange that Jesus would follow and obey the law yet was apparently sent to destroy it. say one thing and do another sounds exactly like the religious leaders Jesus taught so hard against.
 

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These are two separate acts. Jesus abolished the law because it was no longer needed. Not only that, it was contrary to us, no one could keep it or do it, Colossians 2:14. The law was abolished because it was part of the Old Covenant. While Jesus was dying on the cross God tore the veil that covered the "Holy of Holies" from the top to the bottom, Matthew 27:51, that signified the end of the Old Covenant, the law and the Jewish religion. This is why Paul wrote, "The Just Shall Live By Faith" Romans 1:17.and NOT by rules, laws or religion.

For the Christian the law has been abolished, Ephesians 2:15 For the unbeliever they are under it and will be judged by it. To be under the law or to live according to the law is to under a curse, Galatians 3:10. Christians live by faith and the Holy Spirit, not by laws, Romans 8:2.

HOW DO WE ESTABLISH THE LAW?

The word "Establish" in the Greek, Strong's Concordance, word #2476 means to up hold, to abide, to present, stand by. We do not disrespect the law because it has been abolished and we are no longer under it. Paul said,

"Do we then make void the law through faith? God forbid: we establish the law" Romans 3:31

If you are a Christian, then you are an example of God's law. Before I was saved, I hated to be around Christians because they reminded me of my lost condition. I had a good friend his name was Jerry. Jerry Got saved and was a professing and witnessing Christian. When I saw Jerry coming I took off in the opposite direction. I thought, oh no, Jerry is going to tell me that I need to get saved again. He was right and I knew it.

Paul said, "Wherefore the law was our schoolmaster to bring us to Christ" Galatians 3:24.

What does the law say to us? The law says that you are a lost sinner that needs to be saved by Jesus Christ. Jerry was an example of God's law. When I saw Jerry coming I was convicted of my need for Christ. Christians bring people to Christ by their example.

Jesus said, "You are the salt of the earth. You are the light of the world. Let your light shine before men" Matthew 5:13-16.

This is how we establish the law. We establish the law by being in Christ and living by faith and the Holy Spirit.

Charlatan, as this is approximately the 8th thread, he has started, in the last 3 weeks, on the same satanic assertion of his, i.e., that the LORD God has destroyed, has abolished, has made void, has eliminated his holy law.

Get off this site, Pate, and quit spamming this "doctrine" from the devil, and the pits of hell.
 

glorydaz

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These are two separate acts. Jesus abolished the law because it was no longer needed. Not only that, it was contrary to us, no one could keep it or do it, Colossians 2:14. The law was abolished because it was part of the Old Covenant. While Jesus was dying on the cross God tore the veil that covered the "Holy of Holies" from the top to the bottom, Matthew 27:51, that signified the end of the Old Covenant, the law and the Jewish religion. This is why Paul wrote, "The Just Shall Live By Faith" Romans 1:17.and NOT by rules, laws or religion.

For the Christian the law has been abolished, Ephesians 2:15 For the unbeliever they are under it and will be judged by it. To be under the law or to live according to the law is to under a curse, Galatians 3:10. Christians live by faith and the Holy Spirit, not by laws, Romans 8:2.

HOW DO WE ESTABLISH THE LAW?

The word "Establish" in the Greek, Strong's Concordance, word #2476 means to up hold, to abide, to present, stand by. We do not disrespect the law because it has been abolished and we are no longer under it. Paul said,

"Do we then make void the law through faith? God forbid: we establish the law" Romans 3:31

If you are a Christian, then you are an example of God's law. Before I was saved, I hated to be around Christians because they reminded me of my lost condition. I had a good friend his name was Jerry. Jerry Got saved and was a professing and witnessing Christian. When I saw Jerry coming I took off in the opposite direction. I thought, oh no, Jerry is going to tell me that I need to get saved again. He was right and I knew it.

Paul said, "Wherefore the law was our schoolmaster to bring us to Christ" Galatians 3:24.

What does the law say to us? The law says that you are a lost sinner that needs to be saved by Jesus Christ. Jerry was an example of God's law. When I saw Jerry coming I was convicted of my need for Christ. Christians bring people to Christ by their example.

Jesus said, "You are the salt of the earth. You are the light of the world. Let your light shine before men" Matthew 5:13-16.

This is how we establish the law. We establish the law by being in Christ and living by faith and the Holy Spirit.

We thank God for the law, which has not been "abolished" for the lawless and disobedient....for the ungodly etc.

1 Timothy 1:8-10
8 But we know that the law is good, if a man use it lawfully;

9 Knowing this, that the law is not made for a righteous man, but for the lawless and disobedient, for the ungodly and for sinners, for unholy and profane, for murderers of fathers and murderers of mothers, for manslayers,

10 For whoremongers, for them that defile themselves with mankind, for menstealers, for liars, for perjured persons, and if there be any other thing that is contrary to sound doctrine;


Jesus came to magnify the law.

Romans 3:19 Now we know that what things soever the law saith, it saith to them who are under the law: that every mouth may be stopped, and all the world may become guilty before God.
 

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Robert,

What is wrong with your other threads on essentially the same topic? Why the need for yet another?

For example, just a few among many....

http://theologyonline.com/showthread.php?128518-In-our-name-and-on-our-behalf (Feb 12)
http://theologyonline.com/showthread.php?128414-The-Abolishment-of-God-s-Law (Feb 5)
http://theologyonline.com/showthread.php?128374-quot-Christ-is-the-End-of-the-Law-quot-Romans-10-4 (Feb 2)
http://theologyonline.com/showthrea...it-and-the-Gospel-Verses-the-Law-and-Religion (Jan 27)
http://theologyonline.com/showthrea...-Spirit-and-Faith-Verses-the-Law-and-Religion (Jan 6)
http://theologyonline.com/showthrea...-Faith-quot-and-not-by-rules-laws-or-religion (Dec 14)
http://theologyonline.com/showthread.php?127655-Jesus-Paul-and-the-Law (Dec 8)
http://theologyonline.com/showthread.php?127542-The-Fulfillment-and-Abolishment-of-the-Law (Nov 29)

I think I know what is going on. Robert posts something, gets responded to in detail, but fails to engage in the thread he started. Instead he just starts a new thread "responding" to what has been offered up elsewhere in a sideways manner. This is the usual behavior of a blogger, not someone expected to actually substantively engage.

Robert, why don't you just engage in the many threads you have started and run them to ground before starting yet another thread that is but a parenthesis of the discussions already taking place in your other threads? :idunno:

You are out of control. Stick to whining about Calvinism and perhaps you can fly under the radar. ;)

AMR
 

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Robert,

What is wrong with your other threads on essentially the same topic? Why the need for yet another?

For example, just a few among many....

http://theologyonline.com/showthread.php?128518-In-our-name-and-on-our-behalf (Feb 12)
http://theologyonline.com/showthread.php?128414-The-Abolishment-of-God-s-Law (Feb 5)
http://theologyonline.com/showthread.php?128374-quot-Christ-is-the-End-of-the-Law-quot-Romans-10-4 (Feb 2)
http://theologyonline.com/showthrea...it-and-the-Gospel-Verses-the-Law-and-Religion (Jan 27)
http://theologyonline.com/showthrea...-Spirit-and-Faith-Verses-the-Law-and-Religion (Jan 6)
http://theologyonline.com/showthrea...-Faith-quot-and-not-by-rules-laws-or-religion (Dec 14)
http://theologyonline.com/showthread.php?127655-Jesus-Paul-and-the-Law (Dec 8)
http://theologyonline.com/showthread.php?127542-The-Fulfillment-and-Abolishment-of-the-Law (Nov 29)

I think I know what is going on. Robert posts something, gets responded to in detail, but fails to engage in the thread he started. Instead he just starts a new thread "responding" to what has been offered up elsewhere in a sideways manner. This is the usual behavior of a blogger, not someone expected to actually substantively engage.

Robert, why don't you just engage in the many threads you have started and run them to ground before starting yet another thread that is but a parenthesis of the discussions already taking place in your other threads? :idunno:

You are out of control. Stick to whining about Calvinism and perhaps you can fly under the radar. ;)

AMR
Although I disagree with AMR often, he nailed it here. Pate needs to stop this obsession, and deceitful spamming of the same topic, in different threads.


What is wrong with you, Pate?
 

fishrovmen

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Robert,

What is wrong with your other threads on essentially the same topic? Why the need for yet another?

For example, just a few among many....

http://theologyonline.com/showthread.php?128518-In-our-name-and-on-our-behalf (Feb 12)
http://theologyonline.com/showthread.php?128414-The-Abolishment-of-God-s-Law (Feb 5)
http://theologyonline.com/showthread.php?128374-quot-Christ-is-the-End-of-the-Law-quot-Romans-10-4 (Feb 2)
http://theologyonline.com/showthrea...it-and-the-Gospel-Verses-the-Law-and-Religion (Jan 27)
http://theologyonline.com/showthrea...-Spirit-and-Faith-Verses-the-Law-and-Religion (Jan 6)
http://theologyonline.com/showthrea...-Faith-quot-and-not-by-rules-laws-or-religion (Dec 14)
http://theologyonline.com/showthread.php?127655-Jesus-Paul-and-the-Law (Dec 8)
http://theologyonline.com/showthread.php?127542-The-Fulfillment-and-Abolishment-of-the-Law (Nov 29)

I think I know what is going on. Robert posts something, gets responded to in detail, but fails to engage in the thread he started. Instead he just starts a new thread "responding" to what has been offered up elsewhere in a sideways manner. This is the usual behavior of a blogger, not someone expected to actually substantively engage.

Robert, why don't you just engage in the many threads you have started and run them to ground before starting yet another thread that is but a parenthesis of the discussions already taking place in your other threads? :idunno:

You are out of control. Stick to whining about Calvinism and perhaps you can fly under the radar. ;)

AMR

From Roberts thread "Is somebody messing with me":
On my masthead I use to have over 19,000 post and I was a Legend.

Someone changed it. I now have 5000 post.
I enjoyed being a legend. Now I am just an over 5000 poster.

I think he has been trying to catch up ever since then.
 

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From Roberts thread "Is somebody messing with me":
On my masthead I use to have over 19,000 post and I was a Legend.

Someone changed it. I now have 5000 post.
I enjoyed being a legend. Now I am just an over 5000 poster.

I think he has been trying to catch up ever since then.

I am glad that some certain persons don't like what I post. If they did, I would be very concerned.

Sure, Robert, we know, we know.

http://theologyonline.com/showthrea...sing-with-me&p=4377646&viewfull=1#post4377646

I enjoyed being a legend. Now I am just an over 5000 poster.

Yes, you are legendary...in starting too many redundant threads. :AMR:

AMR
 

Bradley D

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"Do not think that I have come to abolish the Law or the Prophets; I have not come to abolish them but to fulfill them" (Mt. 5:17). We cannot fulfill the law. Only Jesus who was fully divine and fully human could do so. Because Jesus did He is my High Priest in heaven. When I sin I can turn to Jesus and gain forgiveness from the Father.
 

Robert Pate

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"Do not think that I have come to abolish the Law or the Prophets; I have not come to abolish them but to fulfill them" (Mt. 5:17). We cannot fulfill the law. Only Jesus who was fully divine and fully human could do so. Because Jesus did He is my High Priest in heaven. When I sin I can turn to Jesus and gain forgiveness from the Father.


In our name and on our behalf Jesus fulfilled the law, Matthew 5:18.

In our name and on our behalf Jesus abolished the law, Ephesians 2:15 also Colossians 2:14.

To be under the law is a curse, Galatians 3:10.

Because of the doing and the dying of Jesus we can now stand before God's Holy Court as perfect and complete "In Christ", Colossians 2:10.
 

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Robert,

What is wrong with your other threads on essentially the same topic? Why the need for yet another?

For example, just a few among many....

http://theologyonline.com/showthread.php?128518-In-our-name-and-on-our-behalf (Feb 12)
http://theologyonline.com/showthread.php?128414-The-Abolishment-of-God-s-Law (Feb 5)
http://theologyonline.com/showthread.php?128374-quot-Christ-is-the-End-of-the-Law-quot-Romans-10-4 (Feb 2)
http://theologyonline.com/showthrea...it-and-the-Gospel-Verses-the-Law-and-Religion (Jan 27)
http://theologyonline.com/showthrea...-Spirit-and-Faith-Verses-the-Law-and-Religion (Jan 6)
http://theologyonline.com/showthrea...-Faith-quot-and-not-by-rules-laws-or-religion (Dec 14)
http://theologyonline.com/showthread.php?127655-Jesus-Paul-and-the-Law (Dec 8)
http://theologyonline.com/showthread.php?127542-The-Fulfillment-and-Abolishment-of-the-Law (Nov 29)

I think I know what is going on. Robert posts something, gets responded to in detail, but fails to engage in the thread he started. Instead he just starts a new thread "responding" to what has been offered up elsewhere in a sideways manner. This is the usual behavior of a blogger, not someone expected to actually substantively engage.

Robert, why don't you just engage in the many threads you have started and run them to ground before starting yet another thread that is but a parenthesis of the discussions already taking place in your other threads? :idunno:

You are out of control. Stick to whining about Calvinism and perhaps you can fly under the radar. ;)

AMR

Thank you for doing this footwork. It made my job easier. Yes this is waay too many threads on this subject. You only need on well manage thread on the topic. I locked all the threads on this list. Having this many threads on the same topic gets redundant.

Robert, you should invest in a blog is you want to keep posting on a single topic without dialog.
 
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