elohiym said:
Fall from what? Blow what? I thought you believe salvation cannot be lost.
Nobody said anything about falling from grace. You are once again twisting and misrepresenting. You can make all the lying accusations you want against me it doesn't make them facts. You have CLEARLY revealed yourself in your answers.
In your paradigm there is no consequence to fall for sinning,
LIE! Just because Christians don't LOSE their salvation doesn't mean that there aren't consequences for sins!
YOU ARE A LIAR!
Ah! Now we are getting somewhere. You claim you no longer have the desire to do a specific sin because God changed "from the inside out."
That's the only kind of change that God is interested in you fool! The fact that you don't recognize it is obviously because it hasn't happened for you! Outward change never changes anyone!
Our difference is that I believe that change is permanent.
Actually that is what I believe. You believe something different but you don't realize it because you have been deceived by your father the devil.
Regardless if you think I have truly undergone that change, one who is converted according to the Bible has undergone that change.
As Pettrix and Knight have so well already pointed out, you probably are not saved. But I cannot read your heart, only God can.
You believe that you can choose to stay that new person or slip up and do what the old person did. I believe that the power of God prevents that from happening so you cannot slip us.
And yet you do it when you lust for other women who are not your wife. You make excuses for it, but that is what you do. Then you disparage a brother who has had victory over that sin. How much sense does that make?
What you just really said was that your earned the victory through your right choices.
LIE! You just keep speaking lies just like Satan your father! You continually indicate an unregenerate heart in your responses!
I don't believe that is how it works for someone who is converted. I cannot do anything for myself, but must rely entirely upon God.
If this were all you had stated, I would have agreed with this completely. You are just trying to attach a cliche' phrase to your positions to try to make yourself sound Christian!
Jesus had the victory over sin and death on the cross. It was his victory over sin that made me free from sin.
And yet you deny that He died for your sins. Interesting.
That's why I made the statements, to blow your mind.
:ha: Sure you did. You made the statement without thinking what you were saying. Now you are trying to play it off. But you continue to make other statements that indicate exactly the same thing!
I knew you would blow them out of proportion because you are a legalist
LIE! I teach against legalism man. You don't know squat about what you are talking about. You are a FALSE ACCUSER!
always looking at the behaviors instead of the intent of the heart.
LIE! You are the one who denies what Jesus said about lust in the heart being equivalent to adultery. Not me!
Actually, you don't have a clue what Jesus meant.
Jesus said:
But I say to you that whoever looks at a woman to lust for her has already committed adultery with her in his heart.
Jesus made a very plain statement. That you deny it is further proof that you are holding on to your own sins!
In fact, Jesus said not jot or tittle changed in the law, and you cannot find your interpretation of what he said in the law; but you certainly can find my interpretation in the law and the prophets.
Your interpretation is baloney. And Jesus made a point REPEATEDLY in His earthly ministry to point out that sin was more than just disobeying a set of commands. Man has a wicked HEART that needs to be redeemed. Your heart is exceedingly wicked and deceitful, and has deceived YOU!
Show us where in the law it states that being attracted to or aroused by the opposite sex is ever a sin.
I already did and you denied it. Lust and arousel are sins of the heart Elohiym! They have no place in a child of God when Christ DIED for those sins!
If you can't show me an explicit scripture, don't be so quick to judge, because you will only end up condemning yourself.
You are a funny head case man. You demand Scriptures and when you are shown them you utterly reject them, for NO REASON!
Do you ask forgiveness from God when you sin, PK? Knight says those in the Body shouldn't. Do you agree with him.
Knight is exactly right. Christians in the Body of Christ have had every single sin forgiven.
Do you question the LORD's prayer Jesus taught?
No.
After you answer that, let's see how many other things Jesus said that you ignore because they don't apply to you.
I don't ignore anything Jesus said you moron. You don't understand the Bible or how to "Rightly divide the Word" so you cannot ascertain what commands are verticle to particular dispensations and what commands are horizontal to ALL dispensations. To even begin the discussion with you would be a waste of time because you don't have a clue. You need to be saved first.
Yet you want to use a gross misinterpretation of his words to condemn me. Just as I expected from you.
GROSS MISINTERPRETATIONS? :ha:
Let's see: "But I say to you that whoever looks at a woman to lust for her has already committed adultery with her in his heart"
There is no misinterpreation or interpretation at all there. One can read the words for themselves and discover the meaning.
One has no choice but to be attracted and aroused by the opposite sex. It is out of our control intentionally, like breathing.
EXACTLY! Because you are NOT redeemed, that is why it is out of your control! You are still a slave to your sin! You have only changed your outward behavior, but your inward man is still lost!
Lust is covetousness. That is what the Bible teaches. I think you have redefined the word to keep yourself and others in bondage. And until you slip up you will use your definition to seek praise for your right choices and condemn others for their wrong choices. Pure legalism.
No it's not. That is God given hormones.
You're gone man. Totally gone. You have so much twisted teaching in your heart that I think it will be EXTREMELY difficult for anyone to reach you.
Lust is to covet what is not yours. I don't covet pretty women, just find them attractive and have normal hormonal responses to that attraction. I don't covet married women.
So you only covet UNMARRIED women? Correct?
:duh: But you don't have a choice over how your body reacts.
You do if you are saved Elohiym! You are still a slave to your flesh man!
I wouldn't want you in my church, PK.
If they teach the kind of garbage you spout, I wouldn't go!
Second, you are assuming I would be attracted to the same types you are. Third, you foolishly assume that nobody in you churches finds you wife and daughters attractive. Maybe you shouldn't attend any churches where any men go.
If they take the kind of stance on LUST and POLYGAMY that you take, that is a good indication to stay away from them! I refuse to answer any more of your brainless questions. Hopefully you will someday go back and read the things said to you and come to the place where you submit to God and to His Word.
