Is believing/faith a work ?

beloved57

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We are originally and naturally dead Eph 2:2 Col 2:13 & Mat 22:32 but also Rom 14:9

9 For to this end Christ both died, and rose, and revived, that he might be Lord both of the dead and living.
Your point here ? Did you understand my point ?
 

beloved57

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Does any dead man have the power to resurrect himself?
Please read again and tell me my point please

 

Idolater

"Lahey, I live in a tent!"
... tell me my point please
When the Lord called Lazarus Lazarus responded to His call. Did Lazarus resurrect himself? No. Your point is No. The Lord resurrected Lazarus, and He resurrected each of His authentic people, those called out from the world who respond to His call.
 

marke

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The answer is absolutely yes. If we agree with the overall definition of work according to the greek word for work ergon:

See strongs # 2041:


  1. business, employment, that which any one is occupied
    1. that which one undertakes to do, enterprise, undertaking
  2. any product whatever, any thing accomplished by hand, art, industry, or mind
  3. an act, deed, thing done: the idea of working is emphasised in opp. to that which is less than work

    A work is anything done, accomplished by #1 hand, #2 art, #3 industry, #4 or MIND

    The mind is :

    (in a human or other conscious being) the element, part, substance, or process that reasons, thinks, feels, wills, perceives, judges, etc.

    Psychology. the totality of conscious and unconscious mental processes and activities.

    So believing something via the mental activity and process of reasoning is work. The process of decision making is a activity, work of the mind.

    Now for instance, the sin of hatred Gal 5:19-20


    Now the works of the flesh are manifest, which are these; Adultery, fornication, uncleanness, lasciviousness,


    20 Idolatry, witchcraft, hatred, variance, emulations, wrath, strife, seditions, heresies,

    How is that sin committed ? It starts in the mind or heart ! Yet in Vs 19 its stated as an work of the flesh

    So activity in and with the mind/heart is a work, this cannot be denied..

    Now believing is either a work of the flesh [unregenerate] or of the Spirit [ regenerated]

    But now Salvation is not by works, Neither by works of the flesh or works of the Spirit.

Faith is not a work and works are not faith. Believing Gin od is a spiritual response to exposure to God's word. Sinners can either believe God or refuse to believe God and God will not force them to do one or the other.
 

beloved57

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If we say that we are Justified before God or saved by Him because of our act of Faith or believing, then we are saying God saved or justifies us because of our works. Its a work because its acting obedience to a command just as much as its a command to love, notice 1 Jn 3:23

23 And this is his commandment, That we should believe on the name of his Son Jesus Christ, and love one another, as he gave us commandment.

To obey a command, injunction is a work !
 

Hoping

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If we say that we are Justified before God or saved by Him because of our act of Faith or believing, then we are saying God saved or justifies us because of our works. Its a work because its acting obedience to a command just as much as its a command to love, notice 1 Jn 3:23

23 And this is his commandment, That we should believe on the name of his Son Jesus Christ, and love one another, as he gave us commandment.

To obey a command, injunction is a work !
Thanks be to God for giving us that, and other tasks to perform, in order to be saved.
Without them, God's salvation would just be on a whim.
Obey, and live forever.
 

marke

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If we say that we are Justified before God or saved by Him because of our act of Faith or believing, then we are saying God saved or justifies us because of our works. Its a work because its acting obedience to a command just as much as its a command to love, notice 1 Jn 3:23

23 And this is his commandment, That we should believe on the name of his Son Jesus Christ, and love one another, as he gave us commandment.

To obey a command, injunction is a work !
Abraham proved he believed God faith by his works, which is why God justified him.

James 2:21
Was not Abraham our father justified by works, when he had offered Isaac his son upon the altar?
 

Right Divider

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No matter what else, I believe the Bible.

James 2:21
Was not Abraham our father justified by works, when he had offered Isaac his son upon the altar?
So you believe James but not Paul?

Rom 4:1-8 (AKJV/PCE)
(4:1) What shall we say then that Abraham our father, as pertaining to the flesh, hath found? (4:2) For if Abraham were justified by works, he hath [whereof] to glory; but not before God. (4:3) For what saith the scripture? Abraham believed God, and it was counted unto him for righteousness. (4:4) Now to him that worketh is the reward not reckoned of grace, but of debt. (4:5) But to him that worketh not, but believeth on him that justifieth the ungodly, his faith is counted for righteousness. (4:6) Even as David also describeth the blessedness of the man, unto whom God imputeth righteousness without works, (4:7) [Saying], Blessed [are] they whose iniquities are forgiven, and whose sins are covered. (4:8) Blessed [is] the man to whom the Lord will not impute sin.
 

Hoping

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You need to get saved by grace through faith. You will not be saved by your own righteousness.
That is correct, but the unrighteous will not be saved at all.
So don't you think being righteous is a better way of life while we await the return of our Savior?
The unrighteous manifest their unbelief with their refusal to submit to the God who loves them.
 

Hoping

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Paul says that Abraham was justified without works. Who are you going to side with? See Romans 4.
Cannot both statements be true in differing contexts?
In one context Abraham was saved by the actions of his belief.
In another context, he was saved without the works of the Law.
That is the only "works" Paul ever wrote against.
 

Right Divider

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That is correct, but the unrighteous will not be saved at all.
There is none righteous, no not one.

Rom 3:10 (AKJV/PCE)
(3:10) As it is written, There is none righteous, no, not one:

So don't you think being righteous is a better way of life while we await the return of our Savior?
Being righteous is a relative term. With regards to salvation, there are none righteous expect for the Lord Jesus Christ.
The unrighteous manifest their unbelief with their refusal to submit to the God who loves them.
Like you refusing to submit to the righteousness of God in Christ.
 

Right Divider

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Cannot both statements be true in differing contexts?
BINGO!!!! The scripture must be rightly divided as Paul says.
In one context Abraham was saved by the actions of his belief.
Salvation of your soul will never include your actions. It is based on the actions of the Lord Jesus Christ.
In another context, he was saved without the works of the Law.
BINGO!!! That what Paul says.
That is the only "works" Paul ever wrote against.
Indeed, works for salvation are OUT today in this dispensation of God's grace.
 
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Hoping

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There is none righteous, no not one.
Rom 3:10 (AKJV/PCE)
(3:10) As it is written, There is none righteous, no, not one:
You should have skipped down to verses 21 and 22 to see the NT ..."But now the righteousness of God without the law is manifested, being witnessed by the law and the prophets;
22 Even the righteousness of God which is by faith of Jesus Christ unto all and upon all them that believe:..." (Rom 3:21-22)
Do you believe?
Being righteous is a relative term. With regards to salvation, there are none righteous expect for the Lord Jesus Christ.
Are you not "in Christ"?
I thank God every day that I am, and have His righteousness manifesting itself in me every day.
Like you refusing to submit to the righteousness of God in Christ.
If I was refusing to submit to God, or to His Son, you would be right.
Thankfully, you are incorrect.
 
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