ECT ICON OF THE VIRGIN MARY FROM THE EARLY CHURCH PERIOD

[brewmama]

You don't have to hope we're right. Why not just ask US what we believe? We'll be glad to tell you.

The threads all about Paul, by your group, is where I was told this.

 

[SaulToPaul 2]

"Mother of God?" RCO vile, wicked deception.

Matthew 1 KJV

1 The book of the generation of Jesus Christ, the son of David, the son of Abraham.

Is David, "The Father of God?"

Luke 1 KJV

36And, behold, thy cousin Elisabeth, she hath also conceived a son in her old age: and this is the sixth month with her, who was called barren.

Is Elizabeth, the "Aunt of God?"


Is John the Baptist, "The cousin of God?"
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Genesis 3 JV

20 And Adam called his wife’s name Eve; because she was the mother of all living.


Is Eve, the "Grand granny of Mary/God?"

crickets

 

[musterion]

The threads all about Paul, by your group, is where I was told this.

Not from one of us, you didnt.

 

[SaulToPaul 2]

Agreed, there isn't a single dispie on TOL that does not "accept" all of the Apostles.

 

[patrick jane]

What's really weird is that a lot of these guys don't even accept the Apostles, just Paul. (But not his churches of course!)

We accept and believe all the Apostles, prophets and Bible authors. :duh:

 

[Right Divider]

She is not "The Virgin Mary,"i.e., as you wicked Romans imply by that title-always a virgin.

Deception.

Don't even get me started with that "Mother of God" blaspheme.

 

[brewmama]

crickets

So you don't think Jesus is God?

 

[HisServant]

You reject the Christian doctrine of the Virgin Birth of Jesus Christ?

Apparently you are unable to comprehend something without reading it first.

The Jewish virginity test was to check for an intact hymen, which would be impossible for Mary to have had after she gave birth... and it doesn't grow back.

 

[brewmama]

Apparently you are unable to comprehend something without reading it first.

The Jewish virginity test was to check for an intact hymen, which would be impossible for Mary to have had after she gave birth... and it doesn't grow back.

Yeah, and that's not what we're talking about.

 

[HisServant]

Luke was a Gentile.

No, he was a Jew.

http://www.levitt.com/essays/luke

 

[brewmama]

No, he was a Jew.

http://www.levitt.com/essays/luke

Neither position is hardfast and proven. There are speculations either way.

 

[Right Divider]

Neither position is hardfast and proven. There are speculations either way.

You really believe that? I can see why you're a Romanist.

 

[HisServant]

Neither position is hardfast and proven. There are speculations either way.

The best evidence points to him being a Jew... at this point in time.

FYI, Tradition is not evidence... its mythology and hearsay.

 

[SaulToPaul 2]

So you don't think Jesus is God?

Of course.
Is David the Father of God?

 

[brewmama]

Not from one of us, you didnt.

Agreed, there isn't a single dispie on TOL that does not "accept" all of the Apostles.

We accept and believe all the Apostles, prophets and Bible authors. :duh:

I certainly don't want to argue with you guys on what you believe, and if I'm wrong so be it. But when people reply with remarks such as this:

http://www.theologyonline.com/forums/showpost.php?p=4557068&postcount=5

http://www.theologyonline.com/forums/showpost.php?p=4557873&postcount=38

http://www.theologyonline.com/forums/showpost.php?p=4558672&postcount=99

http://www.theologyonline.com/forums/showpost.php?p=4559454&postcount=223

http://www.theologyonline.com/forums/showpost.php?p=4560159&postcount=306

And my favorite
http://www.theologyonline.com/forums/showpost.php?p=4560311&postcount=344

It does lead to confusion.

 

[brewmama]

You really believe that? I can see why you're a Romanist.

Are you just unaware of all the scholars who believe Luke was a Gentile? It isn't decided either way. It isn't a matter of me "believing" that. It's just the way it is.

 

[brewmama]

Of course.
Is David the Father of God?

He is a forefather of Mary, so in that regard he is a forefather of Jesus, God the second person of the Trinity. And God the Father is His actual father, as Mary is his actual mother.

 

[brewmama]

The best evidence points to him being a Jew... at this point in time.

FYI, Tradition is not evidence... its mythology and hearsay.

Your tradition is to eschew any history, and rely only on limited sources(scripture only) to decide matters of history. That leaves you at a definite disadvantage.

 

[Right Divider]

Are you just unaware of all the scholars who believe Luke was a Gentile? It isn't decided either way. It isn't a matter of me "believing" that. It's just the way it is.

The evidence is heavily in favor of Luke the Jew. The evidence for him being a gentile is very, very thin and highly speculative.

So if you want to call that a toss-up, go ahead.

 

[Right Divider]

He is a forefather of Mary, so in that regard he is a forefather of Jesus, God the second person of the Trinity. And God the Father is His actual father, as Mary is his actual mother.

Mary is His PHYSICAL, biological mother. She is NOT God.