Far Better To Build Immune System than Count on Vaccines

[Yorzhik]

But you can catch COVID again. This coronavirus is as contagious as chicken pox, but while chicken pox is almost always a one-off, covid can strike again and be even worse the second time around.

That runs counter to all history of virus infections. And they don't have the data to do that.

 

[benben]

Your doctor has no way of knowing that it will be milder if you get it again. If he actually told you that, he's a quack.

Well, he is fully vaccinated and wears a mask, so maybe he's a little bit of a quack. But my experience is undeniable.

 

[Yorzhik]

Your doctor has no way of knowing that it will be milder if you get it again. If he actually told you that, he's a quack.

A doctor that would ignore all medical history to believe repeated liars would be a quack.

You're projecting.

 

[User Name]

And will likely SURVIVE IT, again.

How can you say "likely"? How do you know, one way or the other?

Can strike again.
Can be worse.

That's what I said. Why are you repeating it?

Do you have any evidence to suggest that these, while being possibilities, are likely to be the case? or are you spreading FUD just because of the possibility of it striking again, and it possibly being worse?

It could be worse, or it could be not as bad if you get it again. How will you know one way or the other until it happens?

There's a HUGE difference between "possibility" (a boolean "can or cannot happen") and "likelihood" (odds of it happening again, or to the extent).

And I spoke of possibilities, not likelihoods.

Cite?

"Levels of antibodies against SARS-CoV-2, the virus that causes COVID-19, dropped dramatically over the first 3 months of infection in 34 people recovered from mild illness, University of California at Los Angeles researchers have found. Their research letter, published yesterday in the New England Journal of Medicine, said that antibody levels against the novel coronavirus decreased by about half every 73 days and, if that rate were sustained, would be depleted within about a year."

Study: COVID-19 antibodies decay quickly after mild illness

www.cidrap.umn.edu

So does naturally acquired immunity, which is far more powerful than artificially acquired immunity...

"Data indicate that neutralising antibodies last for several months in patients with covid-19 but gently fall in number over time." - https://www.bmj.com/content/373/bmj.n1605

 

[way 2 go]

Looks to me like you'd better get vaccinated to protect yourself from everyone else who's gotten vaccinated then, because there's no getting away from them. Upwards of 200 million or more Americans have been fully vaccinated as of this point, and that number is only going to get higher from here on out.

the 23,000 dying from the vax the over 1 million seriously injured in 8 months in
in a population of 447 million extrapolate those results to the population of the world 7.89 billion
there would be
400,000 dead from the vax
19 million seriously injured

deaths from wuflu alone 280,340 (6% )


2 excess deaths to every 1 life saved
FDA meeting that resulted in 16-2 recommendation against boosters

the vax is way worse than the wuflu

 

[Gary K]

The information that the immune system uses for long term immunity does not reside in antibodies. It resides in T cells and B cells used by the immune system. UN is just feeding you another carefully crafted lie.

 

[Gary K]

Here is a study of Spanish flu survivors who still had the information in their immune systems to combat it.

Neutralizing antibodies derived from the B cells of 1918 influenza pandemic survivors - PubMed

Investigation of the human antibody response to influenza virus infection has been largely limited to serology, with relatively little analysis at the molecular level. The 1918 H1N1 influenza virus pandemic was the most severe of the modern era. Recent work has recovered the gene sequences of...

pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov

 

[Yorzhik]

"Levels of antibodies against SARS-CoV-2, the virus that causes COVID-19, dropped dramatically over the first 3 months of infection in 34 people recovered from mild illness, University of California at Los Angeles researchers have found. Their research letter, published yesterday in the New England Journal of Medicine, said that antibody levels against the novel coronavirus decreased by about half every 73 days and, if that rate were sustained, would be depleted within about a year."

Study: COVID-19 antibodies decay quickly after mild illness

www.cidrap.umn.edu

"Data indicate that neutralising antibodies last for several months in patients with covid-19 but gently fall in number over time." - https://www.bmj.com/content/373/bmj.n1605

This is one of the best lies ever. It is absolutely true that your antibodies will decrease after an illness. That is how your long term immunity happens to work. It is your T cells that hold the information to identify the virus. If you held the antibodies for every single disease your T-cells can identify you would consist of only antibodies.

Do you see how you got snookered? And you trust these people?

Edit: I see Freeloader posted this info first.

 

[benben]

Here is a study of Spanish flu survivors who still had the information in their immune systems to combat it.

Neutralizing antibodies derived from the B cells of 1918 influenza pandemic survivors - PubMed

Investigation of the human antibody response to influenza virus infection has been largely limited to serology, with relatively little analysis at the molecular level. The 1918 H1N1 influenza virus pandemic was the most severe of the modern era. Recent work has recovered the gene sequences of...

pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov

I can hear it now... "bUt ThIs vIrUs iS dIfFeReNt!"

 

[benben]

This is one of the best lies ever. It is absolutely true that your antibodies will decrease after an illness. That is how your long term immunity happens to work. It is your T cells that hold the information to identify the virus. If you held the antibodies for every single disease your T-cells can identify you would consist of only antibodies.

Do you see how you got snookered? And you trust these people?

One's adherence to real science is inversely proportional to the intensity with which he proclaims, "(I love)/(trust the) science"

They want to be lied to. It's part of the religion.

 

[way 2 go]

411 per million doses die

 

[Gary K]

This is one of the best lies ever. It is absolutely true that your antibodies will decrease after an illness. That is how your long term immunity happens to work. It is your T cells that hold the information to identify the virus. If you held the antibodies for every single disease your T-cells can identify you would consist of only antibodies.

Do you see how you got snookered? And you trust these people?

Edit: I see Freeloader posted this info first.

As David said, we we are fearfully and wonderfully made.

 

[benben]

411 per million doses die

Around the 4 hr 18 min mark a Dr. Fraiman relays a story about how a nurse asked if her risk of serious harm from the vax was lower than her risk from covid. He said he couldn't tell her it was. He then said they didn't have the evidence to demonstrate that the vax saves more than it harms. And this Dr. is very pro vax. Straight from the horse's mouth!

 

[User Name]

So does naturally acquired immunity, which is far more powerful than artificially acquired immunity...

“Evidence is emerging that people get better protection by being fully vaccinated compared with having had COVID-19,” the CDC adds, citing a study showing “unvaccinated people who already had COVID-19 are more than 2 times as likely than fully vaccinated people to get COVID-19 again.”

In certain circumstances, per the CDC, people who have contracted COVID-19 should not receive the shot for a set period of time ― such as if they are still infectious or have been treated with monoclonal antibodies or convalescent plasma. See the full guidelines on the CDC website.

Sarah Palin Says She’s Not Vaccinated Because She Believes ‘In Science’

Palin called herself "one of those white, common sense conservatives" and cited her own recovery from COVID-19. But the CDC recommends getting the shot "regardless" of previous infection.

www.huffpost.com

 

[Alate_One]

There's a strong bias in today's culture that "natural" is always better. The problem is, the virus contains many proteins, some of which are useless as far as the immune system targeting the virus. The vaccines produce a single protein which allows the immune system to laser focus on the protein that allows entry into the cell. Having the virus and then getting vaccinated provides the best immunity - based on laboratory tests.

The other problem is, obviously, getting natural immunity means risking serious illness and death.

 

[ok doser]

The vaccines produce a single protein which allows the immune system to laser focus on the protein that allows entry into the cell.

Sounds great!

But wait!

What about mutations?

 

[Alate_One]

Sounds great!

But wait!

What about mutations?

Because the vaccines focus the immune system on the spike protein, the effect of the mutations is reduced because the immune system will target parts of the spike protein that do not or cannot change very much. In a natural infection the immune system will target all kinds of things. Also the mRNA vaccines can be easily retooled to cover mutations by just changing their sequence. (Also, wow, "beneficial" mutations are real now I guess. )

 

[ok doser]

Because the vaccines focus the immune system on the spike protein, the effect of the mutations is reduced because the immune system will target parts of the spike protein that do not or cannot change very much.

Sounds like wishful thinking. How's that playing out in Israel?

In a natural infection the immune system will target all kinds of things.

Sounds like a broad-spectrum antibiotic.

 

[benben]

Because the vaccines focus the immune system on the spike protein, the effect of the mutations is reduced because the immune system will target parts of the spike protein that do not or cannot change very much. In a natural infection the immune system will target all kinds of things. Also the mRNA vaccines can be easily retooled to cover mutations by just changing their sequence. (Also, wow, "beneficial" mutations are real now I guess. )

You just explained why natural immunity is better. Natural immunity confers a wider array of antibodies against multiple parts of the virus, including multiple parts of the spike protein. The vaccine induces antibodies mostly against the RBD of the spike. That's one reason the vaccine is so ineffective against newer variants, whereas natural immunity offers more protection.

 

[Alate_One]

Sounds like wishful thinking. How's that playing out in Israel?

Sounds like a broad-spectrum antibiotic.

There are a number of other studies showing that natural immunity can be enhanced with vaccines. Ya'll just want to cling to the one study in Israel cause it makes you feel better.

Uhh no it's nothing like a broad spectrum antibiotic. It may be more likely for the immune system to get "confused" and start targeting your own tissues. There's some pretty good evidence that's what happens to people that are hospitalized with covid.