Far Better To Build Immune System than Count on Vaccines

[Clete]

This is also true of most people who do not get the shot. The lower you go in age, the closer the risk gets to zero.

True but not relevant to whether someone should be afraid of the shot nor whether the shot is effective.

The vaccine may do something but it's not the panacea people were hoping for.

Actually, the shots are working better than most expected them to work and for about as long as they expected them to work.

If you had told anyone at the Phizer corporation in April of 2020 that they'd have a vaccine that were better than 90% effective for a period of 6-8 months and that they've have that vaccine in less than a year, they'd have laughed out loud and then called the police and had you marched out of the building as a raving lunatic.

It's basically a glorified flu vaccine that will have to be re-upped every year. But unlike the flu shot, the Chinavirus vax hasn't been around long enough for us to form a long-term safety profile.

Well, there was a time when the flu vaccine hadn't been around long either. Marke and other's like him weren't on theology web forums trying to frighten everyone away from them. In fact, chances are, they encouraged their parents and grandparents to get the shots.

 

[marke]

No, Marke! That's the opposite of reality! It prevents tons of people from getting covid. In fact very nearly everyone who gets the shot doesn't have tow worry about getting COVID at all and even if they do get it, it will almost certainly be a mild case.

That's reality, Marke. The reality is there's not a great deal of reason at this point to be scared of COVID 19 at all unless you're in a high risk group (i.e. over 65 and / or you have a condition that causes your body to have a hard time processing sugars) and there's far far less reason to be scared of these vaccines.

Popular hype supports undue trust in the vaccine but facts are not as friendly to those colorful narratives.

 

[marke]

You are a liar. Of the two of us, I'm the one who has actual scientific studies and real world data to PROVE my case. All you do is ignore data and facts and repeat yourself and lie about how I haven't refuted your fear mongering.

That's right! Except that it isn't a claim, its the truth. Just because you cannot properly assess the risks in your life doesn't make the truth a matter of my personal opinion.


As asked, I'd take one of those pills every day and two on Sunday's.

I'd do that for the exact same reason that I DO NOT spend money on lottery tickets.

Clete

The risk may seem insignificant to those who don't get sick from the covid shot, but those who do get sick have a right to despise those who told them they would never get sick from the shot.

 

[marke]

They make no such claim. The fact that you have to overstate the truth every time you open your mouth is proof that you know what you're doing is a lie.

The shots have already done a great deal of good and the need for a booster has to do with that positive effect being perpetuated further into the future. The companies that produce these vaccines have never claimed that they will produce permanent immunity. A fact that you know full well and that you don't even dispute. Just because you can't (refuse to) see that there is a gigantic benefit even with temporary immunity, doesn't mean that benefit doesn't exist and isn't plainly obvious to anyone who isn't a fear mongering moron bent on scaring people for no reason.

The shot had barely been out for six months before experts were claiming a booster would be needed to keep the shot effective.

 

[marke]

You'd better be praying that such a war doesn't happen. The fact is that even with the idiots in power now, we are still more free in America today than 99.9% of all the human being that have ever lived on planet Earth and there's no guaranteeing which side would win that war. George Washington only just barely won and that was mostly because the country he was fighting was based half a world away. In case you hadn't noticed, most of the higher up generals are all woke leftists and if a civil war started here, it wouldn't take two days before China and all the rest of out enemies came running to help the left and they wouldn't even be shy about it.

I have no idea to what extent Americans will end up going to protect their freedoms from the leftist Marxists now running the country.

 

[marke]

You're projecting, Marke!
I haven't made any such claim at all. Not a syllable of anything similar to that has ever come out of my mouth!

Leftist think science has something to do with consensus, it doesn't. Science has NOTHING to do with opinion. Science, real science has to do with fact, logic and proof. It has to do with discovering the actual nature of reality. It is NOT a collective based endeavor where the majority rules. Only in the mind of a leftist would such a thought even get formulated.

This is why you SHOULD HAVE been convinced that these shots work after spending ten seconds looking at those charts comparing the results of the real shots to placebo shots. The fact that it didn't move you an inch is proof enough to me that you're not the least bit interested in science or the facts. You're interested in being scared and in scaring others. You're interested in emotions, not facts just exactly like the leftist mentality that you want to try to pin on me.

Science does not tell us masks and social distancing work well aganist covid and science also does not tell us that getting the covid shot will prevent people from getting covid or that people who do not get the shot will get covid.

 

[ok doser]

You WILL obey!

 

[marke]

True but not relevant to whether someone should be afraid of the shot nor whether the shot is effective.


Actually, the shots are working better than most expected them to work and for about as long as they expected them to work.

If you had told anyone at the Phizer corporation in April of 2020 that they'd have a vaccine that were better than 90% effective for a period of 6-8 months and that they've have that vaccine in less than a year, they'd have laughed out loud and then called the police and had you marched out of the building as a raving lunatic.


Well, there was a time when the flu vaccine hadn't been around long either. Marke and other's like him weren't on theology web forums trying to frighten everyone away from them. In fact, chances are, they encouraged their parents and grandparents to get the shots.

Flu shots also had risks. I don't get flu shots f can avoid them. I am not afraid of getting the flu, no matter if it originated n China or not.

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(NaturalNews) New data presented at IDWeek 2012 shows a small mortality risk the flu poses for healthy children. Considering that 30 percent of all flu vaccines can come with adverse reactions, and according to the CDC, six percent of those will be “serious” events–including death, we are long past the point of diminishing return. Of course, their overall Big Pharma findings support the usual public rhetoric that encourages families to line up and bare their arms en-mass for a shot to prove that they take the flu virus seriously every year.
ID Week 2012 is, of course, sponsored by the highly politicized Infectious Diseases Society of America (IDSA) which is fraught with a dark past of conflicts of interests. Joining in is the Society for Healthcare Epidemiology of America, which is federally funded and in bed with its admitted “partner”, the CDC. Next, comes the HIV Medicine Association, which nests neatly under the protective wing of the IDSA. Finally up, the Pediatric Infectious Diseases Society, which, by its own admission, is funded in part by Big Pharma interests. Can we trust these guys to be objective? When donkeys fly…
The Flu Vaccine Facts Straight from the CDC
In searching the year 2011 on the CDC Vaccine Adverse Event Reporting System website–(http://vaers.hhs.gov/index)– it was found that 51 deaths were caused by the flu vaccines, along with 232 life-threatening events, 116 permanent disabilities, 739 hospitalizations, 109 prolonged hospitalizations, 4,039 ER visits, and 6,221 “not serious” reports. According to the National Vaccine Information Center, fewer than one percent of all adverse vaccine reactions are ever reported. If this is true, you can add two zeroes to any of other above figures to be closer to actual numbers. Nice odds, huh?
Flu shots kill and maim. As stated above, 30 percent of flu vaccinations come with adverse reactions, and about six percent of all adverse reactions bring with them serious health events, including death. What the CDC neglects to tell you is that in five recent studies, people who did get the 2008-2009 flu shot were more likely to get the swine flu than those who did not take the poke. Also, with the flu vaccine came three times more risk of hospitalization in children. Source: American Thoracic Society, May 2009.

 

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I have pledged to protect others by forcing them to socially distance themselves from me. I plan to do this by following strictly a diet heavy in baked beans, broccoli, cauliflower and cabbage.

And asparagus, just for fun!

 

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I have pledged to protect others by forcing them to socially distance themselves from me. I plan to do this by following strictly a diet heavy in baked beans, broccoli, cauliflower and cabbage.

And asparagus, just for fun!

a healthy 20' social distance

 

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even biden admits the vax doesn't work

 

[Clete]

Popular hype supports undue trust in the vaccine but facts are not as friendly to those colorful narratives.

Saying it doesn't make it so.

 

[Clete]

The risk may seem insignificant to those who don't get sick from the covid shot, but those who do get sick have a right to despise those who told them they would never get sick from the shot.

No one ever told anyone that "they would (i.e. could) never get sick from the vaccine". There is not a significant number of people who do.

 

[Clete]

The shot had barely been out for six months before experts were claiming a booster would be needed to keep the shot effective.

Far less than six months. The possible need for a booster was expected from the very beginning and that isn't from television "experts" or politians but the actual people who produced the vaccines. There hasn't ever been anyone that I can recall who ever said that these vaccines would provide permanent protection. It has always been a 6 - 8 month time frame.

 

[Clete]

I have no idea to what extent Americans will end up going to protect their freedoms from the leftist Marxists now running the country.

Yeah well I'll be right there with them if it comes to a bullet flying revolution but I'm just saying that we will likely loose that war. The left has been working for years to secure control of the military brass and if we don't have the vast majority of the U.S. military, any such revolution is lost before it begins. One single division of the Air Force is all they'd need to detroy the entire state of Texas, less than that if they got desperate. So don't get too cocky about revolutions unless you want to usher in real despotism and end up begging for the days when Joe Biden was in power.

 

[Clete]

Science does not tell us masks and social distancing work well aganist covid

In fact. science affirmatively tells us that cloth masks and social distancing do NOT work at all.

and science also does not tell us that getting the covid shot will prevent people from getting covid or that people who do not get the shot will get covid.

Yes it does. It tells us precisely that.

 

[Clete]

Flu shots also had risks. I don't get flu shots f can avoid them. I am not afraid of getting the flu, no matter if it originated n China or not.

That's your right and your choice. It's irrational but, as this thread is proof of, you can't fix stupid.

Do you deny that the flu shots work?

Do you believe that the flu shots are more dangerous than the flu?

 

[Right Divider]

That's your right and your choice. It's irrational but, as this thread is proof of, you can't fix stupid.

Do you deny that the flu shots work?

Do you believe that the flu shots are more dangerous than the flu?

I believe that flu shots are unnecessary for healthy people.
Same with the COVID-19 shots.

 

[benben]

Flu shot effectiveness varies by year. Flu cases are also hard to track because not everyone gets tested. Same with Chinavirus. Most people with it don't get tested. The new mRNA vaccine's effectiveness is all over the place. It works better against some variants than others, just like with the flu.

The big thing weighing against the novel vaccine is that it's new and doesn't have an established safety profile. I choose not to be a guinea pig in the name of science, and I don't demand that others be forced to.