JonahofAkron
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So, the moral of your comment...... God made a mistake in the mosaic covenant?
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Do you agree that law of sin and death is a curse? a real big curse?
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William Shakespeare, the great writer, in his play, 'Merchant of Venice', gave us an example of a Jew. This was a heartless/loveless/spiritually dead, Shylock. Shylock was persecuting and prosecuting another man, according to law. This other man was Antonio, a 'soft heart-ed'/loving/spirit awaken, Christian.
This is what Jews do to Christians. This is what Jews did to Jesus Christ.
William Shakespeare was a wise and actualized man, one could learn from him.
William Shakespeare simply demonstrated the following KJV N.T. revelation:
Galatians: 4 KJV N.T.
29 But as then he that was born after the flesh persecuted him that was born after the Spirit, even so it is now.
This is what Jews do to Christians. This is what Jews did to Jesus Christ.
William Shakespeare was a wise and actualized man, one could learn from him.
William Shakespeare simply demonstrated the following KJV N.T. revelation:
Galatians: 4 KJV N.T.
29 But as then he that was born after the flesh persecuted him that was born after the Spirit, even so it is now.
No. God did not make a mistake with the Mosaic covenant. It is Moses who did not make full disclosure about the Mosaic covenant to those Jews.
It seems that God intended for Moses to not tell the whole truth about the Mosaic covenant to those Jews. If any thing, it was not a mistake, by God. If any thing, it was God's deliberate intent for Moses to not tell the whole truth about the Mosaic covenant to those Jews.
Those Jews were not given by God to know truth. They were 'the dead'. They were not given by God to know the mysteries of God kingdom of heaven.
This is why the Jews of Moses' time, got the Mosaic covenant/law. The Mosaic law was given for temporary use, as their schoolmaster, until they came onto faith and Christ. Then they totally drop the flawed Mosaic covenant. They were people who had not awakened to faith. Faith is belief in things 'not seen', i.e. like the Spirit of Truth/Spirit of Jesus. They were 'the (spiritually) dead'. They could not detect or discern the Spirit of Truth/Spirit of Jesus who brings All Truth.
The Jews of that time had no faith. Thy could not be introduced to the New covenant which is anchored on faith which is belief in things 'not seen'.
The New covenant was and is anchored on the Spirit that was promised to Abraham and his seed through Issac, i.e. a 'not seen', 'none physical' thing. This is the Spirit of Jesus/Spirit of Truth who brings All Truth. This is the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus which makes one free from Moses' law.
The Jews of that time were dead to their spirits. They simply could not get All Truth, from the Spirit of Jesus/Spirit of Truth . . . and this is the only way to get All Truth. However they were carnal and they had had to be managed. This was Moses predicament and responsibility. They needed a set of laws to manage their behavior. Their behavior was all carnal/physical. They had no awareness of things spiritual/love. The ten commandments were divinely given for this sole purpose.
However the Jews of that time, had to be fooled by God and Moses into falsely believing that the Mosaic covenant, the ten commandments were some kind of absolute laws from God. Otherwise they would not have esteem, seek to obey, used and/or promote the ten commandments which were given solely for managing them and not for salvation and deliverance into God's kingdom of heaven. This is all that could have been done for them, given their spiritually dead state.
The Jews of that time, were 'the (spiritually) dead' and this was all that God could do for them, until they became spiritually aware. The law, the ten commandments, had to be their schoolmaster, until they become spiritually aware and therefore given to know truth. Then they will naturally and spontaneously drop Moses law and embrace the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus which makes one free from Moses' law.
It was Moses and possibly other elders who followed Moses, who did not make a full disclosure with respect to the Mosaic covenant. However this could have the deliberate intent of God, no mistake. It was what the Jews of that time deserved, i.e. according to God.
2 Corinthians: 3 KJV N.T.
3 Forasmuch as ye are manifestly declared to be the epistle of Christ ministered by us, written not with ink, but with the Spirit of the living God; not in tables of stone, but in fleshy tables of the heart.
7 But if the ministration of death, written and engraven in stones, was glorious, so that the children of Israel could not stedfastly behold the face of Moses for the glory of his countenance; which glory was to be done away:
11 For if that which is done away was glorious, much more that which remaineth is glorious.
12 Seeing then that we have such hope, we use great plainness of speech:
13 And not as Moses, which put a veil over his face, that the children of Israel could not stedfastly look to the end of that which is abolished:
16 Nevertheless when it shall turn to the Lord, the vail shall be taken away.
17 Now (since 2000 odd years ago) the Lord is that Spirit: and where the Spirit of the Lord is, there is liberty (to throw out and/or transgress Moses law).
Act: 13 KJV N.T.
39 And by him all that believe are justified from all things, from which ye could not be justified by the law of Moses.
Moses and those elders who followed Moses, did not tell the Jews that the ten commandments are not God's eternal laws. Moses and those elders who followed Moses, did not tell the Jews that the ten commandments are strictly for temporary use and they (the ten commandments) must eventually be done away with, according to:
Galatians: 3 King James Version (KJV)
24 Wherefore the law was our schoolmaster to bring us unto Christ, that we might be justified by faith.
25 But after that faith is come, we are no longer under a schoolmaster.
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JonahofAkron
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Interesting theory.
So, again, God made a mistake? You can't claim that God's intent was for Moses to hold his tongue about Torah and then say that the problem is the Torah or the problem is Moses doing what you said he was supposed to. How does this make sense?
Justification has never been by Torah.
So, again, God made a mistake? It is either His ordination to withhold information or He made a mistake. You can not have it both ways.
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Why not? God instructed Jesus to fool-up people by giving them parables. God did that deliberately, not by mistake. So why not Jews? Why would God not fool-up Jews through Moses?
Parables are for the dead (children of the flesh) to bury their dead (their fellow children of the flesh). God does want children of the flesh on the surface of earth together with Children of God.
For the details on parables check post # 20 on this thread, or:
Fact is, God, by operating through Moses or Jesus does what is necessary to accomplish his plan, according to each person's free will choice. God send each person to a destination which totally conforms to their chosen beliefs and ideals.
This means that those who esteem, use, promote and invoke Moses law goes a land of sin, death and punishment in hell inside the earth with Satan. They were told what is the end for those who esteem, use, promote and invokes Moses law and by their own free will choice, they choose to be under (and/or remain under) Moses law.
These foolish people were told: . now, (some 200 years ago), righteousness of God without Moses law was manifested.
Romans: 3 KJV N.T.
21 But now the righteousness of God without the law is manifested, being witnessed by the law and the prophets
Righteousness of God without the law is through the Spirit of Jesus/Spirit of Truth. This is the New covenant which replaced the Old flawed Mosaic covenant. These foolish people refuse to listen. In fact they rejected this New covenant and continued under the Old flawed Mosaic covenant.
It is therefore one's own wish, free choice and responsibility that God sent one to exactly where one's free willed choice leads. In the case of those who esteem, use, promote and invoke Moses law their end is sin, death and delivery to hell inside the earth with Satan.
God does not interfere with free choice. God simply grants one the very accurate end that befits one's free willed choices. Each person's end is up to him or her. Each person's end is based on his or her free willed choices. It is based on one's free will sowing. Scriptures simply defines one's available two choices and the end these bring . . . and nothing more. Thereafter each person sows according to his or her own free willed choosing and choice . . . and reaps accordingly:
Galatians: 6 King James Version (KJV)
7 Be not deceived; God is not mocked: for whatsoever a man soweth, that shall he also reap.
Fact is the ten commandments was and is, for temporary use by unbelievers until they become believers, then the ten commandments are totally dropped. Not only dropped, those unbelievers who become believers have God given justification to transgress Moses law:
Galatians: 3 King James Version (KJV)
24 Wherefore the law was our schoolmaster to bring us unto Christ, that we might be justified by faith.
25 But after that faith is come, we are no longer under a schoolmaster.
Act: 13 KJV N.T.
39 And by him all that believe are justified from all things, from which ye could not be justified by the law of Moses.
Moses law must eventually be dropped because it has a curse. That is, when the spiritually dead esteem, use, seek to obey and/or promote Moses' law they bring forth only fruits onto dead and no fruits onto God. This is not what God wants. However this all that the dead (the spiritually dead) could get from God. They are totally outside God's jurisdiction. They are totally within Satan jurisdiction. That is, until they cease being 'the dead' and become spiritually aware.
When they are no longer spiritually dead (i.e. they are no longer 'the dead') they are automatically liberated (delivered) from Moses law. Then they are told, in uncertain terms, to transgress Moses law so that they can serve in the newness of spirit and so stop bringing forth fruits onto death and start bringing forth only fruits onto God:
Romans: 7 KJV N.T.
4 Wherefore, my brethren, ye also are become dead to the law by the body of Christ; that ye should be married to another, even to him who is raised from the dead, that we should bring forth fruit unto God.
5 For when we were in the flesh, the motions of sins, which were by the law, did work in our members to bring forth fruit unto death.
6 But now we are delivered from the law, that being dead wherein we were held; that we should serve in newness of spirit, and not in the oldness of the letter.
Believers can and must transgress Moses law so as to serve in the newness of spirit. This is why they were given God's justification to transgress Moses law of sin and death, according to:
Act: 13 KJV N.T.
39 And by him all that believe are justified from all things, from which ye could not be justified by the law of Moses.
On the other hand:
Galatians: 3 KJV N.T.
11 But that no man is justified by the law (of sin and death) in the sight of God, it is evident: for, The just shall live by faith.
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The surface of earth, during the last, past 2000 odd years, was a 'trying on for fit' place.
This means that those who choose to esteem, use, promote and invoke Moses law, i.e. the law of sin and death, when they die, they go to a place where Moses law is the only law and it rules supreme, although it is leads to perpetual sin, spiritual death and hell inside the earth, with Satan.
However those who choose to esteem, use, promote and invoke the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus which makes one free from Moses' law, when they die, they go to God's kingdom of heaven in the spirit realm and then return to the surface of earth when God's kingdom of heaven fully descend here.
This is described as follows:
Hebrews: 9 King James Version (KJV)
27 And as it is appointed unto men once to die, but after this the judgment:
Judgment is according to which one of the two covenants, one chooses to esteem, use, promote and invoke.
1. Those who choose to esteem, use, promote and invoke Moses law are judged under that law. The sad fact is that under that covenant all fall short of the glory of God. Therefore all sin, suffer spiritual death and end inside the earth, in hell with Satan.
The sad misjudgement of these people is that they valued their earthly temporal life more than their spiritual eternal life.
Moses law kept their short and temporal earthly life and unions (marriages etc.) protected, managed, regulate comfortable and secure. They like that. They put those material needs and things above spiritual life.
This was at the expense of their eternal life. The end of an earthly life under Moses law is sin, death and delivery into hell, inside the earth with Satan.
These sad and unfortunate people did not embrace the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus which makes one free from Moses law and only this life grants a good end. Only this Spirit of life in Christ Jesus is sinless and grants eternal life and guaranteed entry into God's kingdom of heaven, everywhere. They totally missed it.
These sad and unfortunate people were misled by false prophets and false spying brethren to stay under Moses law which lead to sin, death and delivery into hell, inside the earth, with Satan. This is the sad judgment of those who continued under the Old flawed covenant, Moses law. This is also their end.
2. On the other hand those who threw out the Old flawed covenant and esteem, use, promote and invoke the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus which makes one free from Moses law, cannot and did not get sin, even when they transgress Moses law. They gain life, eternal. They were and are, always glorified by God and always inherit God's kingdom of heaven in spirit heaven and eventually also inherit God's kingdom of heaven on the surface of earth.
:idea: :idea: Judgment is totally about dispatching one to destinations that are perfectly conformed the life styles which one freely choose, esteemed, used, promoted and invoked whiles one lives on this earth. This life on earth, is simply for Jesus and God to determine and judge each person free choice, so as to send each person to an an exact destination based on his or her own free choice.
Galatians: 6 King James Version (KJV)
7 Be not deceived; God is not mocked: for whatsoever a man soweth, that shall he also reap.
At the judgment, all Old testament people go to a totally Old testament world, where: bondage to Moses law, sin, death and punishment in hell inside the earth with Satan rules supreme and eternally. This is the promise land of the Jews of Ismael generation, by their free willed choice. O.T people are goats on the left side.
On the other hand, New testament people go to a totally New testament world. They go to God's kingdom of heaven in the spirit realm and return to the surface of earth when God's kingdom of heaven fully descend here. In the fullness of time, the surface of this earth, will be a remade but modern Garden of Eden. N.T. people are sheep, on the right side. Only they will inherit this without O.T. people.
Each will go to his or her world of choice. This is based on the covenant that he or she choose to esteem, use, promote and invoke during his or her short and temporal life on earth.
There are just two covenants, two choices and two ends:
Matthews: 25 KJV N.T.
31 When the Son of man shall come in his glory, and all the holy angels with him, then shall he sit upon the throne of his glory:
32 And before him shall be gathered all nations: and he shall separate them one from another, as a shepherd divideth his sheep from the goats:
33 And he shall set the sheep on his right hand, but the goats on the left.
34 Then shall the King say unto them on his right hand, Come, ye blessed of my Father, inherit the kingdom prepared for you from the foundation of the world:
41 Then shall he say also unto them on the left hand, Depart from me, ye cursed, into everlasting fire, prepared for the devil and his angels:
You may not realize that:
- To be on the left side relates to humans operating through their left side brain hemisphere. This is our flesh/physical law oriented side. This pertains to embracing, esteeming, using, promoting and invoking the law of sin and death, Moses' law.
- To be on the right side relates to humans operating through their right side brain hemisphere. This is our spirit, intuitive side. This pertains to embracing, esteeming, using, promoting and invoking the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus which makes one free from Moses law
The rules or laws for the King (Jesus) and God's judgment has long been laid down and recorded in the KJV N.T. It is now time to confirm these in absolute clarity for all to know. Soon too late will be the cry for those who do not embrace these truths, now in the fullness of time.
Quite frankly you all, who read my post, should be seeking to change the erroneous beliefs and ways of yourselves, your family, your friends and your associates and even your acquaintances, with haste. Soon too late will be the cry.
This means that those who choose to esteem, use, promote and invoke Moses law, i.e. the law of sin and death, when they die, they go to a place where Moses law is the only law and it rules supreme, although it is leads to perpetual sin, spiritual death and hell inside the earth, with Satan.
However those who choose to esteem, use, promote and invoke the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus which makes one free from Moses' law, when they die, they go to God's kingdom of heaven in the spirit realm and then return to the surface of earth when God's kingdom of heaven fully descend here.
This is described as follows:
Hebrews: 9 King James Version (KJV)
27 And as it is appointed unto men once to die, but after this the judgment:
Judgment is according to which one of the two covenants, one chooses to esteem, use, promote and invoke.
1. Those who choose to esteem, use, promote and invoke Moses law are judged under that law. The sad fact is that under that covenant all fall short of the glory of God. Therefore all sin, suffer spiritual death and end inside the earth, in hell with Satan.
The sad misjudgement of these people is that they valued their earthly temporal life more than their spiritual eternal life.
Moses law kept their short and temporal earthly life and unions (marriages etc.) protected, managed, regulate comfortable and secure. They like that. They put those material needs and things above spiritual life.
This was at the expense of their eternal life. The end of an earthly life under Moses law is sin, death and delivery into hell, inside the earth with Satan.
These sad and unfortunate people did not embrace the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus which makes one free from Moses law and only this life grants a good end. Only this Spirit of life in Christ Jesus is sinless and grants eternal life and guaranteed entry into God's kingdom of heaven, everywhere. They totally missed it.
These sad and unfortunate people were misled by false prophets and false spying brethren to stay under Moses law which lead to sin, death and delivery into hell, inside the earth, with Satan. This is the sad judgment of those who continued under the Old flawed covenant, Moses law. This is also their end.
2. On the other hand those who threw out the Old flawed covenant and esteem, use, promote and invoke the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus which makes one free from Moses law, cannot and did not get sin, even when they transgress Moses law. They gain life, eternal. They were and are, always glorified by God and always inherit God's kingdom of heaven in spirit heaven and eventually also inherit God's kingdom of heaven on the surface of earth.
:idea: :idea: Judgment is totally about dispatching one to destinations that are perfectly conformed the life styles which one freely choose, esteemed, used, promoted and invoked whiles one lives on this earth. This life on earth, is simply for Jesus and God to determine and judge each person free choice, so as to send each person to an an exact destination based on his or her own free choice.
Galatians: 6 King James Version (KJV)
7 Be not deceived; God is not mocked: for whatsoever a man soweth, that shall he also reap.
At the judgment, all Old testament people go to a totally Old testament world, where: bondage to Moses law, sin, death and punishment in hell inside the earth with Satan rules supreme and eternally. This is the promise land of the Jews of Ismael generation, by their free willed choice. O.T people are goats on the left side.
On the other hand, New testament people go to a totally New testament world. They go to God's kingdom of heaven in the spirit realm and return to the surface of earth when God's kingdom of heaven fully descend here. In the fullness of time, the surface of this earth, will be a remade but modern Garden of Eden. N.T. people are sheep, on the right side. Only they will inherit this without O.T. people.
Each will go to his or her world of choice. This is based on the covenant that he or she choose to esteem, use, promote and invoke during his or her short and temporal life on earth.
There are just two covenants, two choices and two ends:
Matthews: 25 KJV N.T.
31 When the Son of man shall come in his glory, and all the holy angels with him, then shall he sit upon the throne of his glory:
32 And before him shall be gathered all nations: and he shall separate them one from another, as a shepherd divideth his sheep from the goats:
33 And he shall set the sheep on his right hand, but the goats on the left.
34 Then shall the King say unto them on his right hand, Come, ye blessed of my Father, inherit the kingdom prepared for you from the foundation of the world:
41 Then shall he say also unto them on the left hand, Depart from me, ye cursed, into everlasting fire, prepared for the devil and his angels:
You may not realize that:
- To be on the left side relates to humans operating through their left side brain hemisphere. This is our flesh/physical law oriented side. This pertains to embracing, esteeming, using, promoting and invoking the law of sin and death, Moses' law.
- To be on the right side relates to humans operating through their right side brain hemisphere. This is our spirit, intuitive side. This pertains to embracing, esteeming, using, promoting and invoking the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus which makes one free from Moses law
The rules or laws for the King (Jesus) and God's judgment has long been laid down and recorded in the KJV N.T. It is now time to confirm these in absolute clarity for all to know. Soon too late will be the cry for those who do not embrace these truths, now in the fullness of time.
Quite frankly you all, who read my post, should be seeking to change the erroneous beliefs and ways of yourselves, your family, your friends and your associates and even your acquaintances, with haste. Soon too late will be the cry.
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Tradition Christians like to believe and promote that every one is under Moses law. This is their comfort. However this not so. They are simply misleading and deluding themselves. . . . burying each other.
There are two covenants.
1. One is righteousness of God with the law. This is the Mosaic covenant. People who esteem, use, promote and invoke this covenant are the 'unbelievers' (in Jesus Christ).
2. The other is righteousness of God that is without the law (Moses law). This is the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus which makes one free from the law of sin and death, i.e. Moses law. People who esteem, use, promote and invoke this covenant are the 'believers' (in Jesus Christ).
Romans: 8 KJV N.T.
2 For the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus hath made me free from the law of sin and death.
Act: 13 KJV N.T.
39 And by him all that believe are justified from all things, from which ye could not be justified by the law of Moses.
Fact is that: what so ever Moses law says, it applies only to those who choose to esteem, use, promote and/or invoke Moses law. It applies to no one else.
Romans: 3 KJV N.T.
19 Now we know that what things soever the law saith, it saith to them who are under the law: that every mouth may be stopped, and all the world may become guilty before God.
Romans: 14 KJV N.T.
14 I know, and am persuaded by the Lord Jesus, that there is nothing unclean of itself: but to him that esteemeth any thing to be unclean, to him it is unclean. it is all an individual free choice.
There are two covenants.
1. One is righteousness of God with the law. This is the Mosaic covenant. People who esteem, use, promote and invoke this covenant are the 'unbelievers' (in Jesus Christ).
2. The other is righteousness of God that is without the law (Moses law). This is the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus which makes one free from the law of sin and death, i.e. Moses law. People who esteem, use, promote and invoke this covenant are the 'believers' (in Jesus Christ).
Romans: 8 KJV N.T.
2 For the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus hath made me free from the law of sin and death.
Act: 13 KJV N.T.
39 And by him all that believe are justified from all things, from which ye could not be justified by the law of Moses.
Fact is that: what so ever Moses law says, it applies only to those who choose to esteem, use, promote and/or invoke Moses law. It applies to no one else.
Romans: 3 KJV N.T.
19 Now we know that what things soever the law saith, it saith to them who are under the law: that every mouth may be stopped, and all the world may become guilty before God.
Romans: 14 KJV N.T.
14 I know, and am persuaded by the Lord Jesus, that there is nothing unclean of itself: but to him that esteemeth any thing to be unclean, to him it is unclean. it is all an individual free choice.
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JonahofAkron
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Wow. Now we know what you really are: a racist. Thanks for the enlightenment. You do not understand scripture.
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God did not disclose that kind of information to Moses, so where in the world are you getting that nonsense? We have nothing that indicates Moses was ever in the wrong concerning the Torah's giving, save the destruction of the first set of tablets.
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Galatians: 3 KJV N.T.
11 But that no man is justified by the law (of sin and death) in the sight of God, it is evident: for, The just shall live by faith.
Romans: 7 KJV N.T.
4 Wherefore, my brethren, ye also are become dead to the law by the body of Christ; that ye should be married to another, even to him who is raised from the dead, that we should bring forth fruit unto God.
5 For when we were in the flesh, the motions of sins, which were by the law, did work in our members to bring forth fruit unto death.
6 But now we are delivered from the law, that being dead wherein we were held; that we should serve in newness of spirit, and not in the oldness of the letter.
Galatians: 3 King James Version (KJV)
24 Wherefore the law was our schoolmaster to bring us unto Christ, that we might be justified by faith.
25 But after that faith is come, we are no longer under a schoolmaster.
Act: 13 KJV N.T.
39 And by him all that believe are justified from all things, from which ye could not be justified by the law of Moses.
Romans: 3 KJV N.T.
21 But now the righteousness of God without the law is manifested, being witnessed by the law and the prophets
Hebrew: 8 KJV N.T.
7 For if that first covenant (i.e. Moses law) had been faultless, then should no place have been sought for the second (i.e. the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus which makes one free from Moses' law).
Galatians: 3 King James Version (KJV)
24 Wherefore the law was our schoolmaster to bring us unto Christ, that we might be justified by faith.
25 But after that faith is come, we are no longer under a schoolmaster.
Galatians: 5 King James Version (KJV)
1 Stand fast therefore in the liberty wherewith Christ hath made us free, and be not entangled again with the yoke of bondage.
2 Behold, I Paul say unto you, that if ye be circumcised, Christ shall profit you nothing.
3 For I testify again to every man that is circumcised, that he is a debtor to do the whole law.
4 Christ is become of no effect unto you, whosoever of you are justified by the law; ye are fallen from grace.
Romans: 8 KJV N.T.
2 For the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus hath made me free from the law of sin and death.
Galatians: 3 KJV N.T.
13 Christ hath redeemed us from the curse of the law, being made a curse for us: for it is written, Cursed is every one that hangeth on a tree:
2 Corinthians: 3 KJV N.T.
17 Now (since 2000 odd years ago) the Lord is that Spirit: and where the Spirit of the Lord is, there is liberty (to throw out and/or transgress Moses law).
Romans: 3 KJV N.T.
19 Now we know that what things soever the law saith, it saith to them who are under the law: that every mouth may be stopped, and all the world may become guilty before God.
John: 6 KJV N.T.
32 Then Jesus said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Moses gave you not that bread from heaven; but my Father giveth you the true bread from heaven.
. . . Given all the above revelations and still a billion strong traditional Christians choose to esteem, use, promote and invoke Moses' law (i.e. law of sin and death). How incredibly foolish, indeed.
Their hearts must be waxed gross, and their ears are dull of hearing, and their eyes they have closed. They have refused healing from the Spirit of Jesus/Spirit of Truth.
Matthews: 13 KJV N.T.
15 For this people's heart is waxed gross, and their ears are dull of hearing, and their eyes they have closed; lest at any time they should see with their eyes, and hear with their ears, and should understand with their heart, and should be converted, and I should heal them.
11 But that no man is justified by the law (of sin and death) in the sight of God, it is evident: for, The just shall live by faith.
Romans: 7 KJV N.T.
4 Wherefore, my brethren, ye also are become dead to the law by the body of Christ; that ye should be married to another, even to him who is raised from the dead, that we should bring forth fruit unto God.
5 For when we were in the flesh, the motions of sins, which were by the law, did work in our members to bring forth fruit unto death.
6 But now we are delivered from the law, that being dead wherein we were held; that we should serve in newness of spirit, and not in the oldness of the letter.
Galatians: 3 King James Version (KJV)
24 Wherefore the law was our schoolmaster to bring us unto Christ, that we might be justified by faith.
25 But after that faith is come, we are no longer under a schoolmaster.
Act: 13 KJV N.T.
39 And by him all that believe are justified from all things, from which ye could not be justified by the law of Moses.
Romans: 3 KJV N.T.
21 But now the righteousness of God without the law is manifested, being witnessed by the law and the prophets
Hebrew: 8 KJV N.T.
7 For if that first covenant (i.e. Moses law) had been faultless, then should no place have been sought for the second (i.e. the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus which makes one free from Moses' law).
Galatians: 3 King James Version (KJV)
24 Wherefore the law was our schoolmaster to bring us unto Christ, that we might be justified by faith.
25 But after that faith is come, we are no longer under a schoolmaster.
Galatians: 5 King James Version (KJV)
1 Stand fast therefore in the liberty wherewith Christ hath made us free, and be not entangled again with the yoke of bondage.
2 Behold, I Paul say unto you, that if ye be circumcised, Christ shall profit you nothing.
3 For I testify again to every man that is circumcised, that he is a debtor to do the whole law.
4 Christ is become of no effect unto you, whosoever of you are justified by the law; ye are fallen from grace.
Romans: 8 KJV N.T.
2 For the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus hath made me free from the law of sin and death.
Galatians: 3 KJV N.T.
13 Christ hath redeemed us from the curse of the law, being made a curse for us: for it is written, Cursed is every one that hangeth on a tree:
2 Corinthians: 3 KJV N.T.
17 Now (since 2000 odd years ago) the Lord is that Spirit: and where the Spirit of the Lord is, there is liberty (to throw out and/or transgress Moses law).
Romans: 3 KJV N.T.
19 Now we know that what things soever the law saith, it saith to them who are under the law: that every mouth may be stopped, and all the world may become guilty before God.
John: 6 KJV N.T.
32 Then Jesus said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Moses gave you not that bread from heaven; but my Father giveth you the true bread from heaven.
. . . Given all the above revelations and still a billion strong traditional Christians choose to esteem, use, promote and invoke Moses' law (i.e. law of sin and death). How incredibly foolish, indeed.
Their hearts must be waxed gross, and their ears are dull of hearing, and their eyes they have closed. They have refused healing from the Spirit of Jesus/Spirit of Truth.
Matthews: 13 KJV N.T.
15 For this people's heart is waxed gross, and their ears are dull of hearing, and their eyes they have closed; lest at any time they should see with their eyes, and hear with their ears, and should understand with their heart, and should be converted, and I should heal them.
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From William Shakespeare's The Merchant of Venice:
SHYLOCK
My deeds upon my head. I crave the law,
The penalty, and forfeit of my bond.
PORTIA
Is he not able to discharge the money?
BASSANIO
Yes. I’m offering to pay it back right this moment—even twice the sum. If that’s not enough, I’ll sign a contract to pay ten times that much, and I’ll give you my hands, my head, and my heart as security. If that’s not enough, then you’re just evil and malicious.—(to the DUKE) I beg you, just this once, use your authority to bend the law. Do a great right by doing a little wrong. Don’t let this devil have his way.
PORTIA
That can’t happen. There’s no power in Venice that can change an established decree. The change will be recorded as a precedent, and many bad legal decisions will result. That can’t happen.
SHYLOCK
A Daniel has come to judgment, yes, a Daniel!—Oh, wise young judge, I honor you!
In the Bible, as a young man, Daniel shows great wisdom while acting as judge in the case of Susanna, who was falsely accused.
According to William Shakespeare's depiction (not mine), Shylock was a Jew. His heart was waxed gross. He wanted a pound of Antonio flesh from nearest his heart for loan of money which Antonio's friend Bassanio was willing to repay by ten times the amount. Antonio was a open and kind heart-ed Christian.
William Shakespeare's depiction was that: Shylock was an O.T. person. Where as Antonio was a N.T. person.
This seem to demonstrate that children of the flesh (O.T. people/descendants of Ishmael) always persecute children of God (N.T. people/Christians/descendants of Issac), according to:
Galatians: 4 KJV N.T.
21 Tell me, ye that desire to be under the law, do ye not hear the law?
22 For it is written, that Abraham had two sons, the one by a bondmaid, the other by a freewoman.
23 But he who was of the bondwoman was born after the flesh; but he of the freewoman was by promise.
24 Which things are an allegory: for these are the two covenants;
29 But as then he that was born after the flesh persecuted him that was born after the Spirit, even so it is now.
The Merchant of Venice
The play and the Jews.
By Elana Roth, who is a graduate of Barnard College and the Jewish Theological Seminary, where she earned degrees in English Literature and Bible. She currently works as a literary agent in New York City.
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The Merchant of Venice is a play by William Shakespeare believed to have been written between 1596 and 1598. The play is best known not for the “merchant” Antonio, but for his rival Shylock, the tormenting and tormented Jewish moneylender.
The Story:
The drama of the play begins after Bassanio, in need of money to woo the heiress Portia, asks his friend Antonio for a loan. Antonio has bailed Bassanio out several times before, and is happy to do it again. But this time, because his ships are at sea and have not yet returned with their riches, Antonio has to ask Shylock for a loan.
Shylock hates Antonio because he is a Christian, and because, on one occasion, Antonio spat on Shylock for being a Jew. To take a measure of revenge, Shylock forgoes charging any interest on Antonio’s loan and instead sets the bond at one pound of Antonio’s flesh. When Antonio’s ships are lost at sea and he is unable to pay, Shylock demands that pound of Antonio’s flesh and brings him to court in order to be repaid.
The trial in the court of the Duke of Venice contains the great climax of the play. Unwilling to simply nullify a contract, the Duke calls upon Portia, disguised as a male lawyer, to argue on behalf of Antonio. When Shylock refuses to show mercy, she finds a flaw in the contract: Shylock’s agreement with Antonio mentioned flesh–but said nothing about blood. If, in the process of collecting Antonio’s flesh, Shylock were to be guilty of shedding Antonio’s blood, then Shylock’s property would have to be confiscated by the state of Venice.
Portia even goes a step further, and points out that Shylock is a Jew (therefore an alien) who has attempted to take the life of a Venetian citizen, and this crime is punishable by death. While the Duke pardons Shylock’s life, he forces him to convert to Christianity and leave his entire fortune to Jessica, Shylock’s daughter, who had recently converted to Christianity.
Shylock’s Characterization
Generosity appears to be the core difference between Christian and Jewish moneylenders in the play. On the one hand, Antonio thinks it is his Christian duty to lend money to friends interest-free: “For when did friendship take / A breed for barren metal of his friend?” (1.3.128-29) In other words, how can a person profit off his friend’s need? Shylock, on the other, is brazen enough to demand a pound of flesh as payment–and he does not relent when actual money cannot be handed over.
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. . . Elana Roth writing continues with pro Jewish statements at:
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Fact is, Moses did not speak with great plainness of speech when he gave the ten commandments to the Jews. Moses put a veil over his face when he gave the ten commandments to the Jews. He did not tell them that the ten commandments must and will be abolished, eventually.
2 Corinthians: 3 KJV N.T.
12 Seeing then that we have such hope, we use great plainness of speech:
13 And not as Moses, which put a veil over his face, that the children of Israel could not stedfastly look to the end of that which is abolished:
And up to this day the veil (block) is upon the hearts of Jews when they read the ten commandments. That is up to this day some Jews cannot accept that the ten commandments are for temporary use.
2 Corinthians: 3 KJV N.T.
15 But even unto this day, when Moses is read, the vail is upon their heart.
However the Spirit of Truth/Spirit of Jesus can and will remove the veil, if they embrace this Spirit:
2 Corinthians: 3 KJV N.T.
16 Nevertheless when it shall turn to the Lord, the vail shall be taken away.
17 Now the Lord is that Spirit: and where the Spirit of the Lord is, there is liberty.
Since Moses is in heaven, it is clear that he acted according to the will and wishes of God. That is, although the ten commandments was for temporary use, Moses did not tell the Jews that the ten commandments were for temporary use because that was God's will. God wanted to fool the Jews. Moses simply obeyed God.
Matthews: 7 KJV N.T.
21 Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven.
JonahofAkron, Face the fact that: in addition to the above, God also looked the other way when millions of Jews were going through the holocaust. Those Jews who denied the fullness of Jesus and aided His crucifixion are clearly not God's favorite people. As far as God is concerned, it seems that, they are deserving of punishment and also expendable.
There are just two ends/destinations:
Matthews: 25 KJV N.T.
34 Then shall the King say unto them on his right hand, Come, ye blessed of my Father, inherit the kingdom prepared for you from the foundation of the world:
41 Then shall he say also unto them on the left hand, Depart from me, ye cursed, into everlasting fire, prepared for the devil and his angels:
Which one of the above, do you think, is the end of those Jews who denied and continue to deny the fullness of Jesus and also persecuted and continue to persecute Him and also aided and continue to aid His crucifixion? This is not a big Maths question. It is a simple kindergarten sum.
Fact is, from among all Jews only those who are descendants of Abraham's son, Issac are favored by God and given to inherit God's kingdom of heaven in spirit realm and eventually on the surface of earth. And the Jews, who are descendants of Issac, are not Jews, they are Christians.
Galatians: 3 King James Version (KJV)
25 But after that faith is come, we are no longer under a schoolmaster (i.e. no longer under Moses law).
26 For ye are all the children of God by faith in Christ Jesus.
27 For as many of you as have been baptized into Christ have put on Christ.
28 There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither bond nor free, there is neither male nor female: for ye are all one in Christ Jesus.
29 And if ye be Christ's, then are ye Abraham's seed, and heirs according to the promise.
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JonahofAkron,
Face the fact that God looked the other way when millions of Jews were going through the holocaust. Those Jews who denied and their generations who continue to deny, the fullness of Jesus and who also aided Jesus' crucifixion and continue to crucify Jesus' teachings, are clearly not God's favorite people. As far as God is concerned, it seems that, they are deserving of punishment and also expendable.
There is either punishment or reward. Also there are just two ends/destinations:
Matthews: 25 KJV N.T.
34 Then shall the King say unto them on his right hand, Come, ye blessed of my Father, inherit the kingdom prepared for you from the foundation of the world:
41 Then shall he say also unto them on the left hand, Depart from me, ye cursed, into everlasting fire, prepared for the devil and his angels:
Which one of the above, do you think, is the end of those Jews who denied and continue to deny the fullness of Jesus and also persecuted and continue to persecute Him and also aided and continue to aid His crucifixion? This is not a big Maths question. It is a simple kindergarten sum. Can you add one and one and get two?
Fact is, from among all Jews only those who are descendants of Abraham's son, Issac are favored by God and given to inherit God's kingdom of heaven in spirit realm and eventually on the surface of earth. And the Jews, who are descendants of Issac, are not Jews, they are Christians. They esteem, use, promote and invoke the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus which makes them free from Moses law . . the New covenant.
Jews who descended from Ishmael go to an entirely other destination. They remained Jews. They rejected Christianity. They esteem, use, promote and invoke Moses law . . the Old flawed covenant.
Galatians: 3 King James Version (KJV)
25 But after that faith is come, we are no longer under a schoolmaster (i.e. no longer under Moses law).
26 For ye are all the children of God by faith in Christ Jesus.
27 For as many of you as have been baptized into Christ have put on Christ.
28 There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither bond nor free, there is neither male nor female: for ye are all one in Christ Jesus.
29 And if ye be Christ's, then are ye Abraham's seed, and heirs according to the promise.
Galatians: 4 KJV N.T.
30 Nevertheless what saith the scripture? Cast out the bondwoman and her son (i.e. Ishmael and his generation): for the son of the bondwoman shall not be heir with the son of the freewoman (i.e. Issac and his generation).
Don't you want to be serious?
Face the fact that God looked the other way when millions of Jews were going through the holocaust. Those Jews who denied and their generations who continue to deny, the fullness of Jesus and who also aided Jesus' crucifixion and continue to crucify Jesus' teachings, are clearly not God's favorite people. As far as God is concerned, it seems that, they are deserving of punishment and also expendable.
There is either punishment or reward. Also there are just two ends/destinations:
Matthews: 25 KJV N.T.
34 Then shall the King say unto them on his right hand, Come, ye blessed of my Father, inherit the kingdom prepared for you from the foundation of the world:
41 Then shall he say also unto them on the left hand, Depart from me, ye cursed, into everlasting fire, prepared for the devil and his angels:
Which one of the above, do you think, is the end of those Jews who denied and continue to deny the fullness of Jesus and also persecuted and continue to persecute Him and also aided and continue to aid His crucifixion? This is not a big Maths question. It is a simple kindergarten sum. Can you add one and one and get two?
Fact is, from among all Jews only those who are descendants of Abraham's son, Issac are favored by God and given to inherit God's kingdom of heaven in spirit realm and eventually on the surface of earth. And the Jews, who are descendants of Issac, are not Jews, they are Christians. They esteem, use, promote and invoke the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus which makes them free from Moses law . . the New covenant.
Jews who descended from Ishmael go to an entirely other destination. They remained Jews. They rejected Christianity. They esteem, use, promote and invoke Moses law . . the Old flawed covenant.
Galatians: 3 King James Version (KJV)
25 But after that faith is come, we are no longer under a schoolmaster (i.e. no longer under Moses law).
26 For ye are all the children of God by faith in Christ Jesus.
27 For as many of you as have been baptized into Christ have put on Christ.
28 There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither bond nor free, there is neither male nor female: for ye are all one in Christ Jesus.
29 And if ye be Christ's, then are ye Abraham's seed, and heirs according to the promise.
Galatians: 4 KJV N.T.
30 Nevertheless what saith the scripture? Cast out the bondwoman and her son (i.e. Ishmael and his generation): for the son of the bondwoman shall not be heir with the son of the freewoman (i.e. Issac and his generation).
Don't you want to be serious?
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JonahofAkron,
Matthews: 18 KJV N.T.
3 And said, Verily I say unto you, Except ye be converted, and become as little children, ye shall not enter into the kingdom of heaven.
Let us return to kindergarten (where one plus one simply equals two):
There are two covenants.
1. One is righteousness of God with the law. This is the Mosaic covenant. People who esteem, use, promote and invoke this covenant are the 'unbelievers' (in Jesus Christ).
2. The other is righteousness of God that is without the law (Moses law). This is the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus which makes one free from the law of sin and death, i.e. Moses law. People who esteem, use, promote and invoke this covenant are the 'believers' (in Jesus Christ).
Let us match each covenant above to one each of the following ends/destinations:
Matthews: 25 KJV N.T.
1. 34 Then shall the King say unto them on his right hand, Come, ye blessed of my Father, inherit the kingdom prepared for you from the foundation of the world:
2. 41 Then shall he say also unto them on the left hand, Depart from me, ye cursed, into everlasting fire, prepared for the devil and his angels:
What answer did you get?
Matthews: 18 KJV N.T.
3 And said, Verily I say unto you, Except ye be converted, and become as little children, ye shall not enter into the kingdom of heaven.
Let us return to kindergarten (where one plus one simply equals two):
There are two covenants.
1. One is righteousness of God with the law. This is the Mosaic covenant. People who esteem, use, promote and invoke this covenant are the 'unbelievers' (in Jesus Christ).
2. The other is righteousness of God that is without the law (Moses law). This is the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus which makes one free from the law of sin and death, i.e. Moses law. People who esteem, use, promote and invoke this covenant are the 'believers' (in Jesus Christ).
| The following confirms the above Romans: 3 1King James Version (KJV) 21 But now the righteousness of God without the law is manifested, being witnessed by the law and the prophets; Romans: 8 KJV N.T. 2 For the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus hath made me free from the law of sin and death. Act: 13 KJV N.T. 39 And by him all that believe are justified from all things, from which ye could not be justified by the law of Moses. |
Let us match each covenant above to one each of the following ends/destinations:
Matthews: 25 KJV N.T.
1. 34 Then shall the King say unto them on his right hand, Come, ye blessed of my Father, inherit the kingdom prepared for you from the foundation of the world:
2. 41 Then shall he say also unto them on the left hand, Depart from me, ye cursed, into everlasting fire, prepared for the devil and his angels:
What answer did you get?
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Ben Masada
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Please, show me the evidences that make you believe that the writers of the NT were Torah observant Jews and I will tell you where from I came out with the truth that they were not Jews.
JonahofAkron
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Clever. The burden of proof rests on you, big guy. You're the one claiming that they are not what most historians portray them as: part of a sect of Judaism within the first century. I'll give you a few even though that burden rests on your claim.
Most claims that Yeshua didn't follow Torah or that His disciples did not after His death does not follow the textual claim. We see Peter in Acts 10 still claiming to hold to the laws of kashrut even though it's been some time after the death of Messiah. We see James instruct Paul to follow through with a vow culminating in sacrifice and we see James backing up Paul's claims of following Torah in Acts 15 and 21.
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JonahofAkron
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Thanks for continuing to prove my point.
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JonahofAkron,
Galatians: 4 KJV N.T.
21 Tell me, ye that desire to be under the law, do ye not hear the law?
22 For it is written, that Abraham had two sons, the one by a bondmaid, the other by a freewoman.
23 But he who was of the bondwoman was born after the flesh; but he of the freewoman was by promise.
24 Which things are an allegory: for these are the two covenants; the one from the mount Sinai, which gendereth to bondage, which is Agar.
25 For this Agar is mount Sinai in Arabia, and answereth to Jerusalem which now is, and is in bondage with her children.
26 But Jerusalem which is above is free, which is the mother of us all.
29 But as then he that was born after the flesh persecuted him that was born after the Spirit, even so it is now.
30 Nevertheless what saith the scripture? Cast out the bondwoman and her son: for the son of the bondwoman shall not be heir with the son of the freewoman.
What do you perceive to be the meaning and message in the above revelation?
Galatians: 4 KJV N.T.
21 Tell me, ye that desire to be under the law, do ye not hear the law?
22 For it is written, that Abraham had two sons, the one by a bondmaid, the other by a freewoman.
23 But he who was of the bondwoman was born after the flesh; but he of the freewoman was by promise.
24 Which things are an allegory: for these are the two covenants; the one from the mount Sinai, which gendereth to bondage, which is Agar.
25 For this Agar is mount Sinai in Arabia, and answereth to Jerusalem which now is, and is in bondage with her children.
26 But Jerusalem which is above is free, which is the mother of us all.
29 But as then he that was born after the flesh persecuted him that was born after the Spirit, even so it is now.
30 Nevertheless what saith the scripture? Cast out the bondwoman and her son: for the son of the bondwoman shall not be heir with the son of the freewoman.
What do you perceive to be the meaning and message in the above revelation?
JonahofAkron
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Dude. You're crazy.
I can't even take you seriously. Your posts hurt.
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Do not flatter yourself. You have no point.
I simply reproduced William Shakespeare's depiction and work.
Was William Shakespeare racist for depicting the bible in Shylock (a Jew) and Antonio (a Christian)? It was done for human edification.
You are claiming 'racist' because you do not want to admit truth. Your shout of 'racist' is simply a 'red herring' . . . throw it back . . . set it free. It is not 'edible'.
Matthews: 26 KJV N.T.
26 And as they were eating, Jesus took bread, and blessed it, and brake it, and gave it to the disciples, and said, Take, eat; this is my body.
Throwing back your 'red herring'. That simple act will open, for you, a world of truth.