Creation vs. Evolution

[Hedshaker]

Dear Hedshaker,

Hey, you're a buddy! If you think us three are wrong and you are right, that's 1 against 3. We are not very, very wrong. Reality: you will find it's back yard soon. I know you'll understand what that means once everything starts coming down. In other words, Hedshaker, don't be bummed when Jesus returns, because before then, there will be great upheaval. After the 2 witnesses/prophets shall be raised to heaven and before Jesus shall Return Again, things are going to come down on this Earth like you don't know what. Earthquakes and great hail, and turmoil. Help each other during these times. With respect for your point of view! You'll find out about reality. Of course, I am not judging you. Just be aware that, sure, it's a hard thing to believe, no doubt. But it's all true. The hail storm is going to be like never before. Each hailstone will weigh 70-75 lbs. Talk about dents in your car. Very grievous, indeed! (see Rev. 16:21KJV).

Michael

This, of course Michael, is exactly what so called prophets have been saying since for ever; It's all gonna kick off, soon.... don't know when exactly, but soon, then you'll be sorry! Some have even been brave enough to put a date to it, and guess what? They have been 100% wrong 100% of the time. Thing is Michael, it's the easiest thing in the world to make predictions without stating when. Anyone can do it. I could predict that some time soon you will accidentally fall into a bath of custard. And boy will you feel daft when it happens, right

Sorry Michael but Jesus is unlikely to return, even if he ever existed in the first place, for which there is no extra-Biblical, contemporary evidence what-so-ever. You are of course free to believe whatever you like, but threatening others with it is plain wrong. I thought you was over that.... :nono:

 

[alwight]

Dear alwight,

What does SB mean?

We were talking about the Super Bowl (SB), sorry about my shorthand Michael.

I don't remember Telstar, but it sounds interesting.

I'm probably even older than I think.

Satellite TV, eh? I'll bet the whole world is astounding to you Alwight. You've lived through so much of it. Who do you think nudges and directs these people that made the satellite or TV, or high def, or digital radio satellite navigator, and Who gives them guidance to do all of these wonderful things? It's divine intelligence, you can bet on!! The Lord talks to men's thoughts to help them come up with things.

I prefer to think that human beings have brains and in many cases can use them well, rather than simply shallow beings waiting for divine inspiration to come along, or not.

And I know Science isn't about evolutionists only. And I love that kind of Science. I also don't think that evolutionists are evil. They are just trying to piece together things to make sense to them except anything by God. They can't fathom a being being smarter than them. They might even be jealous of there being a God. I don't know.

God Be With You,

Michael

I'm rather sure Michael that most "evolutionists" are simply seeking what actually is true whether it is a smarter being than themselves or not.
Whatever is apparently true from real facts and evidence, not what some imagine to be true apparently without any of either.
The notion that "evolutionists" are for some reason jealous of there being a god is perhaps only what some believers concoct for themselves?
Perhaps such believers can't quite understand those who prefer to think that in fact we exist as thinking intelligent individuals rather than as mere obedient subjects to a supposed invisible and intangible deity.

 

[nodelink]

The notion that "evolutionists" are for some reason jealous of there being a god is perhaps only what some believers concoct for themselves?

Perhaps such believers can't quite understand those who prefer to think that in fact we exist as thinking intelligent individuals rather than as mere obedient subjects to a supposed invisible and intangible deity.

Q. Should perpetrators of evil be remembered and brought to account and receive a recompense beyond their point of death?

I think "yes".

Q. Should those who bestowed kindnesses on others during their lifetimes be remembered and recompensed beyond their point of death?

I think "yes".

But, remember that God is holy and perfect. We are not so holy nor so perfect.

Justice (in hell) or mercy (in heaven) are what the Bible reports as future destinies. There will be degrees of experience in heaven and hell. Degrees of suffering and joy will vary in the two places but no middle ground will exist between the two places.

Lord, have mercy. I plan not ever to be too proud so as to not acknowledge my dependence upon mercy. I expect to praise and thank the All-Powerful God for ever for the gift of saving mercy bestowed by the perfect sacrifice of Jesus Christ upon a Roman cross.

Be not so proud as to not acknowledge your need for everlasting mercies and not too proud to acknowledge your need to repent from sins seen by a holy God.

Saving faith is a precious gift.

Prayer: Lord, have mercy upon all who read this.

From Simon Peter, a bond-servant and apostle of Jesus Christ, to those who through the righteousness of our God and Savior, Jesus Christ, have been granted a faith just as precious as ours. - 2 Peter 1:1

Not by works of righteousness which we have done, but according to his mercy he saved us, by the washing of regeneration, and renewing of the Holy Spirit - Titus 3:5

 

[nodelink]

I don't remember Telstar, but it sounds interesting.

I'm probably even older than I think.

Telstar is the name of various communication satellites circa 1962.

Link: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Telstar

Telstar was also an instrumental song.

Link: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Telstar_(song))

 

[Hedshaker]

Telstar

Written and produced by the great Joe Meek, a for runner to modern music production techniques.

 

[Mark SeaSigh]

I don't know why, but this Kickin' Song also Popped Up after that Music Vid you Posted, hedshaker;

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MUSIC!!!

Video killed the Radio Star - Buggles

=M=

 

[MichaelCadry]

This, of course Michael, is exactly what so called prophets have been saying since for ever; It's all gonna kick off, soon.... don't know when exactly, but soon, then you'll be sorry! Some have even been brave enough to put a date to it, and guess what? They have been 100% wrong 100% of the time. Thing is Michael, it's the easiest thing in the world to make predictions without stating when. Anyone can do it. I could predict that some time soon you will accidentally fall into a bath of custard. And boy will you feel daft when it happens, right

Sorry Michael but Jesus is unlikely to return, even if he ever existed in the first place, for which there is no extra-Biblical, contemporary evidence what-so-ever. You are of course free to believe whatever you like, but threatening others with it is plain wrong. I thought you was over that.... :nono:

Dear Hedshaker,

I know others have come before me and they were false. Why do you think it's so hard for me to be believed. Of course it's highly improbable for any to believe, so don't believe me. You'll find out soon enough, won't you? Hedshaker, I don't expect you to believe me. Just know that there's some guy out there saying these things, and then when they happen, you won't be left in the dust. I won't put a date on it because Jesus Himself said that 'No man knows the day and hour, neither the Son, but only the Father.' So how am I supposed to be different. I'm also not trying to 'threaten' anyone. Just telling it like it is. I could speculate, but I don't need to. Jesus did say that we could see the signs, though. All that I can say though is that I've had certain experiences that lead me to believe it is very soon. I've been visited by angels, the Lord Himself, the Holy Ghost and have had certain visions. You won't believe me, so we get nowhere this way. Therefore, it stands to reason that you will not know until after it happens.

Michael

 

[Mark SeaSigh]

But for me (and I'm sure I speak for others here) it's just not real.

Reality is what it is, not what we want it to be. Sorry!

( Hedshaker; applies a commonly known "debating device", best known as "Denial"... )

Idk...



=M=


Show me some "Proof" for whatever you were trying to prove there...

 

[MichaelCadry]

We were talking about the Super Bowl (SB), sorry about my shorthand Michael.

I'm probably even older than I think.

I prefer to think that human beings have brains and in many cases can use them well, rather than simply shallow beings waiting for divine inspiration to come along, or not.

Alwight, do you think I'm shallow?? I didn't wait for this to come along. It happened to me.

I'm rather sure Michael that most "evolutionists" are simply seeking what actually is true whether it is a smarter being than themselves or not.
Whatever is apparently true from real facts and evidence, not what some imagine to be true apparently without any of either.

Al, the real facts and evidence stares at you in the face every day, the fine-tuned operating universe, the diverse people, plants, animals, bugs, fish, so very much. You think it was just there that way? How blind will you be?

The notion that "evolutionists" are for some reason jealous of there being a god is perhaps only what some believers concoct for themselves?
Perhaps such believers can't quite understand those who prefer to think that in fact we exist as thinking intelligent individuals rather than as mere obedient subjects to a supposed invisible and intangible deity.

No comment. It goes without even saying. How can you think there may be a God there with such a set of beliefs? How can you be agnostic that way, when you very scarcely believe in God? All the people in the world that believe can't be wrong and they far outnumber everyone else.

Much Love From God, Regardless, Al

Michael

 

[MichaelCadry]

Q. Should perpetrators of evil be remembered and brought to account and receive a recompense beyond their point of death?

I think "yes".

Q. Should those who bestowed kindnesses on others during their lifetimes be remembered and recompensed beyond their point of death?

I think "yes".

But, remember that God is holy and perfect. We are not so holy nor so perfect.

Justice (in hell) or mercy (in heaven) are what the Bible reports as future destinies. There will be degrees of experience in heaven and hell. Degrees of suffering and joy will vary in the two places but no middle ground will exist between the two places.

Lord, have mercy. I plan not ever to be too proud so as to not acknowledge my dependence upon mercy. I expect to praise and thank the All-Powerful God for ever for the gift of saving mercy bestowed by the perfect sacrifice of Jesus Christ upon a Roman cross.

Be not so proud as to not acknowledge your need for everlasting mercies and not too proud to acknowledge your need to repent from sins seen by a holy God.

Saving faith is a precious gift.

Prayer: Lord, have mercy upon all who read this.

From Simon Peter, a bond-servant and apostle of Jesus Christ, to those who through the righteousness of our God and Savior, Jesus Christ, have been granted a faith just as precious as ours. - 2 Peter 1:1

Not by works of righteousness which we have done, but according to his mercy he saved us, by the washing of regeneration, and renewing of the Holy Spirit - Titus 3:5

Dear nodelink,

Very insightful and helpful post. Only God can save certain men and women. It is up to Him, for the most part, it seems. Maybe He's waiting for just the right time for certain people. He does move in mysterious ways.

I tried to give you some good rep pts., but it said I have to wait a bit longer since I just gave you some recently. Hang in there and thanks!

Praise God!!

Michael

 

[MichaelCadry]

Telstar is the name of various communication satellites circa 1962.

Link: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Telstar

Telstar was also an instrumental song.

Link: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Telstar_(song))

Dear nodelink,

I was only 7 years old then. I remember Romper Room and Captain Kangeroo, and Mickey Mouse Club. That's about all.

Michael

 

[MichaelCadry]

( Hedshaker; applies a commonly known "debating device", best known as "Denial"... )

Idk...



=M=


Show me some "Proof" for whatever you were trying to prove there...

Dear Mark,

Thanks for the support/help. I can always use it. Sometimes, I think I am talking to a brick wall. The devil sure hates to lose a soul/person. If there were no devil or Satan, Jesus would have made us aware of that. So people, beware. Don't be stuck in ridiculous, stubborn beliefs when your welfare, future and happiness are at stake. Isn't it better to err on the side of joy instead of a bleak future?? What are you atheists thinking?

May God Continue To Bless You, Mark,

Michael

 

[patrick jane]

We were talking about the Super Bowl (SB), sorry about my shorthand Michael.


I'm probably even older than I think.

I prefer to think that human beings have brains and in many cases can use them well, rather than simply shallow beings waiting for divine inspiration to come along, or not.

I'm rather sure Michael that most "evolutionists" are simply seeking what actually is true whether it is a smarter being than themselves or not.
Whatever is apparently true from real facts and evidence, not what some imagine to be true apparently without any of either.
The notion that "evolutionists" are for some reason jealous of there being a god is perhaps only what some believers concoct for themselves?
Perhaps such believers can't quite understand those who prefer to think that in fact we exist as thinking intelligent individuals rather than as mere obedient subjects to a supposed invisible and intangible deity.

i also don't think that all evolutionists/atheists or faiths are jealous or selfish or overly prideful. many are, many aren't. just like anything else. i also know that we have testimony, eyewitnesses and evidence. some people never see God or choose not to seek God. i still think, if i was the only one that ever read the Bible, i would believe it and try to tell everyone i met. - :idea:

 

[MichaelCadry]

i also don't think that all evolutionists/atheists or faiths are jealous or selfish or overly prideful. many are, many aren't. just like anything else. i also know that we have testimony, eyewitnesses and evidence. some people never see God or choose not to seek God. i still think, if i was the only one that ever read the Bible, i would believe it and try to tell everyone i met. - :idea:

Dear patrick jane,

You are really a treasure and of good stock. God likes those who seek Him out. They risk that maybe He's there, and He in turn, rewards them in the end.

May God's Grace Be Upon You, PJ

Michael

 

[Hedshaker]

Dear Hedshaker,

I know others have come before me and they were false. Why do you think it's so hard for me to be believed. Of course it's highly improbable for any to believe, so don't believe me. You'll find out soon enough, won't you? Hedshaker, I don't expect you to believe me. Just know that there's some guy out there saying these things, and then when they happen, you won't be left in the dust. I won't put a date on it because Jesus Himself said that 'No man knows the day and hour, neither the Son, but only the Father.' So how am I supposed to be different. I'm also not trying to 'threaten' anyone. Just telling it like it is. I could speculate, but I don't need to. Jesus did say that we could see the signs, though. All that I can say though is that I've had certain experiences that lead me to believe it is very soon. I've been visited by angels, the Lord Himself, the Holy Ghost and have had certain visions. You won't believe me, so we get nowhere this way. Therefore, it stands to reason that you will not know until after it happens.

Michael

No Michael I will not find out soon enough because there is absolutely no reason at all to believe anything you predict will ever happen. Just your say so is exactly the same as all the the others that have preceded you. It means nothing at all. And you are not just some guy out there saying these things, you are amongst many who have been saying these things for many centuries. It is therefore perfectly safe to dismiss all of it because you offer not a lick of evidence to back up your half baked claims.

And yes Michael, when you say things like: you'll find out soon enough, it is a threat and it's a cowedly one too because you offer nothing but empty words by way of evidence.

There is no reason to suspect you have been visited by supernatural agents like gods or angels. Are you familiar with the term Occam's Razor? Either it's all true or you are mistaken or you dreamed it guided by extreme fervour to your religion. Given that extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence I say the latter is far more likely the case. That's not to doubt your sincerity. You probably really believe it but there is no reason why anyone else should take your word for it, none at all, so please spare me the: you'll see soon enoughs'....... I assure you that threat is wasted on me.

Thank you.

 

[nodelink]

Ockham's razor is a principle of parsimony, economy, or succinctness used in problem-solving devised by William of Ockham. It states that among competing hypotheses, the one with the fewest assumptions should be selected.

Link: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Occam's_razor

The Christian worldview is much simpler with fewer assumptions.

The Christian worldview begins with God created and there is story of earth from what happened in the beginning to what will happen in the future. It is a comprehensive story from beginning to end with God gloriously displayed for eternity for humble humanity to behold.

Alternate worldviews have begun with there was the explosion of the big bang and we don't know what happened before then. Then, the improbable happened again and again and persisted. Physics shows us increasing entropy and disorder. The universe shows us things like black holes and dark energy that we don't understand. We assume a constant speed of light and constant radioactive decay rates and assume that earth's air and oceans and life and natural systems just happened without a designer. Physical constants were set in a precise, finely-tuned manner to enable chemistry and life as we know it but we don't know why or how. Meanwhile, biology shows us decreasing entropy and higher and higher states of order while physics shows the opposite. We assume that science will solve the many remaining mysteries to fill in the gaps in our understanding.

Yes, I agree with the principle of Occam's razor. I'll go with the simpler, more comprehensive view that begins with: "In the beginning, God created the heavens and the earth."

 

[Hedshaker]

The God of the gaps explains absolutely nothing and just pushes the unknowns back a step. :up:

 

[alwight]

Alwight, do you think I'm shallow?? I didn't wait for this to come along. It happened to me.

Well tbh I sometimes think that you were perhaps once an empty vessel that somebody poured a religion into and you never looked back. I also think that you uncritically accept and simply want to believe that the Christian God is running the show, so for you it became true.
There have been a great many false prophets in the past Michael so it really doesn't matter if I think you are a nice and genuine person, only that I am convinced that you have no better ideas than any of them.

Al, the real facts and evidence stares at you in the face every day, the fine-tuned operating universe, the diverse people, plants, animals, bugs, fish, so very much. You think it was just there that way? How blind will you be?

The "fine tuned universe" is hogwash and apologetic spin Michael. There could be a higher power out there or not, who knows, but nothing points specifically to a Christian God or the truth of any ancient man-made scripture.

No comment. It goes without even saying. How can you think there may be a God there with such a set of beliefs? How can you be agnostic that way, when you very scarcely believe in God? All the people in the world that believe can't be wrong and they far outnumber everyone else.

Much Love From God, Regardless, Al

Michael

If all the believers had the same concept of god rather than simply accepting whatever their local religious beliefs happen to be, then that appeal to popularity might mean something. In fact disbelief in the UK at least is now apparently rather greater than belief.
But clearly I accept that you won't be becoming a critical disbeliever any time soon Michael.
Thanks anyway Michael.

 

[alwight]

i also don't think that all evolutionists/atheists or faiths are jealous or selfish or overly prideful. many are, many aren't. just like anything else. i also know that we have testimony, eyewitnesses and evidence. some people never see God or choose not to seek God. i still think, if i was the only one that ever read the Bible, i would believe it and try to tell everyone i met. - :idea:

Why not believe in the Mahabharata instead?

 

[MichaelCadry]

Hedshaker/MichaelC

Hedshaker/MichaelC

No Michael I will not find out soon enough because there is absolutely no reason at all to believe anything you predict will ever happen. Just your say so is exactly the same as all the the others that have preceded you. It means nothing at all. And you are not just some guy out there saying these things, you are amongst many who have been saying these things for many centuries. It is therefore perfectly safe to dismiss all of it because you offer not a lick of evidence to back up your half baked claims.

Dear Hedshaker,

You will discover soon that what I predict is absolute truth {Is that better than find out soon enough?} I know, previously and currently there are some who say similar things too. But if you'd read my free book (it's available here online), you would see why I'm different than all of the others. And I'm not trying to threaten you just because I say who will find out soon enough. That's not a threat. It's a reality. I do care about you, so why would I threaten you? You're taking things wrong. And I hate half-backed clams.

And yes Michael, when you say things like: you'll find out soon enough, it is a threat and it's a cowardly one too because you offer nothing but empty words by way of evidence.

Hedshaker, I'm not cowardly. And my proof is, in part, in letters from others and myself, and news article clippings. The Lord God told me to write to a New York Daily News reporter and tell him that 7 inches of snow would fall within 48 hours of his receiving the letter so he would know that God was with me. He got the snow and he was scared to death. He granted me a 3-hour interview, but still didn't help write an article, because it's hard to prove. I wrote the letter to him on ABC-TV stationery. I worked there at the time. I also have a newspaper report that the 7 inches fell on his Daily News building. So I have much more proof than you realize. I just can't go into it all here. I have three strongboxes with important papers containing pertinent letters, newspaper clippings, etc. Tons of stuff. They are fireproof, waterproof and locked. And keys for them. If anything happens, the proof is there.

There is no reason to suspect you have been visited by supernatural agents like gods or angels. Are you familiar with the term Occam's Razor? Either it's all true or you are mistaken or you dreamed it guided by extreme fervour to your religion. Given that extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence I say the latter is far more likely the case. That's not to doubt your sincerity. You probably really believe it but there is no reason why anyone else should take your word for it, none at all, so please spare me the: you'll see soon enoughs'....... I assure you that threat is wasted on me.

Thank you.

There is reason for me to suspect because it's happened to me. And I said you and no one has to believe me because it is all too hard to believe. I'm just saying see what the future brings and be prepared for it. There will be much earthly upheaval. I want you to know beforehand. Be prepared to help out your fellow men, woman and children. They won't barely know what's going on, but you will know because you heard it from me, even though you don't believe me now. Later on, you will use the information. Why do you think I tell others these things? It's for their future and their family, and friends, futures too, of course. No threat intended, Hedshaker. If I didn't care about you, I wouldn't bother to have told you. I've told a few thousand people so far. They will help tell other friends and they will tell friends, and people will know what's going on, so they will know that Jesus is on the way. If you hear of two people raising to heaven after being dead, know then that Jesus is coming. That's all I can tell you. I know it sounds highly improbable, but the Universe and everything being here without a God is the same: improbable.

God's Love And Warmest Regards,

Michael

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