Creation vs. Evolution

[Ben Masada]

Creation vs. Evolution

How about Creation vs. Expansion? To consider Evolution we must account for mutations and adaptation which both contribute for the explanation of Evolution.

When man was created, the command was given to grow and multiply and fill up the earth. (Gen. 1:28) Contrary to public opinion, the command did not necessarily mean to fill up the earth with children and new generations but also and mainly with intellectual progress, Science and technology.

Then man started expanding and has never stopped since then. In fact, the more we know, the more we expand our knowledge. Just like the expansion of the universe. Einstein implied to be quite sure about the expansion of the universe. As the universe expands so does man. We are after all parts of the universe.

For Evolution of the species, that's not much of a big deal. Perhaps Evolution could not even be the right term because what could be Evolution for some species could be proved to a regression of development for others as mutations and adaptation could work differently either to evolve or digress.

 

[MichaelCadry]

Hey Mike, I know you have said you don’t know the day or the hour when this whole shebang is going down, but when it really starts, I figure you will have at least 10 minutes lead time. Can you send me a PM then, so I can do some fast repenting, and then in heaven I will tell you how right you were?

Dear DavisBJ,

I can't call you ten mins. beforehand. I don't know the time it will happen. You'll find out when you are facing it all. You would have to repent now.

Michael

 

[Ben Masada]

Creation vs. Evolution

How about Creation vs. Expansion? To consider Evolution we must account for mutations and adaptation which both contribute for the explanation of Evolution.

When man was created, the command was given to grow and multiply and fill up the earth. (Gen. 1:28) Contrary to public opinion, the command did not necessarily mean to fill up the earth with children and new generations but also and mainly with intellectual progress, Science and technology.

Then man started expanding and has never stopped since then. In fact, the more we know, the more we expand our knowledge. Just like the expansion of the universe. Einstein implied to be quite sure about the expansion of the universe. As the universe expands so does man. We are after all parts of the universe.

For Evolution of the species, that's not much of a big deal. Perhaps Evolution could not even be the right term because what could be Evolution for some species could be proved to be a regression of development for others as mutations and adaptation could work differently either to evolve or digress.

 

[MichaelCadry]

How about Creation vs. Expansion? To consider Evolution we must account for mutations and adaptation which both contribute for the explanation of Evolution.

When man was created, the command was given to grow and multiply and fill up the earth. (Gen. 1:28) Contrary to public opinion, the command did not necessarily mean to fill up the earth with children and new generations but also and mainly with intellectual progress, Science and technology.

Then man started expanding and has never stopped since then. In fact, the more we know, the more we expand our knowledge. Just like the expansion of the universe. Einstein implied to be quite sure about the expansion of the universe. As the universe expands so does man. We are after all parts of the universe.

For Evolution of the species, that's not much of a big deal. Perhaps Evolution could not even be the right term because what could be Evolution for some species could be proved to a regression of development for others as mutations and adaptation could work differently either to evolve or digress.

Ben Masada,

You know the story of the Tower of Babel. You are Jewish and should know this story about how God feels about man getting too big for his britches. God befuddled everyone's language so they could not build the tower. They were trying to build one that would reach heaven. What you all are touching on is WAY more serious than you think. Do whatever you like. God will do upon your heads. I'm tired of the subject.

Michael

 

[MichaelCadry]

Dear Stripe,

God is going to knock all of this technology into never-ever land. Things are going to go back to the basics with Armageddon. Soon enough, there won't be enough gas to drive a car. Much less A/C or heat. I could go on. You'll get to find out. And God hears it when you call me 'retard.' You aren't even sophisticated enough to use the words 'mentally challenged.' And I'm not a homo, nor addicted to any drugs or alcohol. God is watching how you are treating me. Have fun!!

Michael

 

[Ben Masada]

Ben Masada,

You know the story of the Tower of Babel. You are Jewish and should know this story about how God feels about man getting too big for his britches. God befuddled everyone's language so they could not build the tower. They were trying to build one that would reach heaven. What you all are touching on is WAY more serious than you think. Do whatever you like. God will do upon your heads. I'm tired of the subject.

Michael

Wow Michael! You are indeed tired of the subject and, you do have a choice of words to put it. Since your post above has nothing to do with Creation vs. Evolution, what subject are you tired of, the story of the Tower of Babel? That was an analogy to explain the origin for the diversity of languages. But don't worry, we are expanding or if you prefer, evolving. Either way, we could get back at speaking one only universal language. I hope Hebrew will be the choice. Not that it is easier but more challenging.

 

[alwight]

For Evolution of the species, that's not much of a big deal. Perhaps Evolution could not even be the right term because what could be Evolution for some species could be proved to a regression of development for others as mutations and adaptation could work differently either to evolve or digress.

Evolution is only about change and adaption to the environment, there is no apparent goal or destiny. What works in one environment might well be a liability in another, so comparing one extant species against another is pointless since all are the result of evolution and natural selection.
Cave crabs for example no longer have eyes but have so far retained eyestalks, eyes serve no purpose in the dark, perhaps eyestalks will evolve away too? It's simply adaption to the environment not a progression toward a supposed ideal.

 

[MichaelCadry]

Wow Michael! You are indeed tired of the subject and, you do have a choice of words to put it. Since your post above has nothing to do with Creation vs. Evolution, what subject are you tired of, the story of the Tower of Babel? That was an analogy to explain the origin for the diversity of languages. But don't worry, we are expanding or if you prefer, evolving. Either way, we could get back at speaking one only universal language. I hope Hebrew will be the choice. Not that it is easier but more challenging.

I am tired of it.

Michael

 

[Ben Masada]

Evolution is only about change and adaption to the environment, there is no apparent goal or destiny. What works in one environment might well be a liability in another, so comparing one extant species against another is pointless since all are the result of evolution and natural selection.
Cave crabs for example no longer have eyes but have so far retained eyestalks, eyes serve no purpose in the dark, perhaps eyestalks will evolve away too? It's simply adaption to the environment not a progression toward a supposed ideal.

That's exactly what I said, perhaps in different words. The whole secret about evolution is explained through mutations and adaptation.

 

[Stripe]

Evolution is only about change and adaption to the environment, there is no apparent goal or destiny. What works in one environment might well be a liability in another, so comparing one extant species against another is pointless since all are the result of evolution and natural selection.
Cave crabs for example no longer have eyes but have so far retained eyestalks, eyes serve no purpose in the dark, perhaps eyestalks will evolve away too? It's simply adaption to the environment not a progression toward a supposed ideal.

With all thought of goals vanished from the Darwinist's thought environment, his brain has evolved away. After all, it is not about a supposed ideal, just adaptation.

 

[Stuu]

My hope is that you come to faith in God and Jesus and that you are saved.

What a terrible thing to say.

For all have sinned

I haven't.

Stuart

 

[Stuu]

After all, it is not about a supposed ideal, just adaptation.

You not liking it doesn't make it any less true.

Stuart

 

[The Barbarian]

That's exactly what I said, perhaps in different words. The whole secret about evolution is explained through mutations and adaptation.

Most of it is. However, hybridization occasionally causes speciation, and eukaryotes appeared only as the result of endosymbiosis. And it increasingly appears that genetic drift has much to do with the variation we see in living things.

There are non-Darwinian modes of evolution, and the modern theory incorporates them into the (still mostly Darwinian) modern synthesis.

 

[alwight]

With all thought of goals vanished from the Darwinist's thought environment, his brain has evolved away. After all, it is not about a supposed ideal, just adaptation.

What do you suggest we do then Stripe, find an ancient scripture to cling to literally and concoct a whole supposedly historical reality and purpose around it because that feels nicer?
Nah it's already been done before, all too often.

Maybe the actual truth is not always as fulfilling, purposeful and comforting enough for you, or even me too sometimes, too bad, it's what it is.
Not everyone apparently sees your need to invent a delusory fantasy alternative to get through life and certainly not one that is so obviously at odds with empirical reality.
At least why not try to find something that somewhat resembles reality, something that after all just could perhaps possibly be true?:think:

 

[6days]

Cave crabs for example no longer have eyes but have so far retained eyestalks, eyes serve no purpose in the dark, perhaps eyestalks will evolve away too? It's simply adaption to the environment not a progression toward a supposed ideal.

Your examples seem to be from a creationist website showing the folly of evolutionism. Cave crabs and cave fish show a loss of pre-existing info.
God created eyes. Mutations and natural selection have degraded the info.

 

[alwight]

Your examples seem to be from a creationist website showing the folly of evolutionism. Cave crabs and cave fish show a loss of pre-existing info.
God created eyes. Mutations and natural selection have degraded the info.

This is rather why I prefer to go to reputable scientific sources for my information since I really don't want to risk being misled or told lies by people whose primary concern is not science.

Beyond that I find it interesting that specifically cave crabs would have a very particular genetic decline, who no longer need eyes, should lose this very particular information and not all crabs, of something they rather conveniently no longer need anyway?

Blind crabs in the light would be at a disadvantage, right?

And they still have eyestalks for some reason? :liberals:

No, clearly this is evolution and adaption in progress here, not some kind of genetic decline, since a genetic decline wouldn't have simply targeted cave crabs who don't need eyes.
If God did it just for cave crabs then why leave eyestalks? :liberals:

No sorry 6days only evolution by natural selection can explain it all rationally, not creationists.:salute:

 

[6days]

No, clearly this is evolution .....

Clearly something that loses its eyes is devolution.

 

[noguru]

Clearly something that loses its eyes is devolution.

:think:

In evolution features are lost that are not needed. If you don't use it, you lose it. Then that genetic space is often co-opted (or just becomes available at first) for a different use. There is no reproductive advantage to having eyes when there is only darkness. It is best that energy and space goes for another purpose. This is not surprising or difficult to understand. We do this all the time in our daily lives, it is an inherent physical property of space. It is basic simple logic, as much as you would like to complicate the matter.

Your cloudy minded quandary reminds me of a joke by that monotone comedian Steven Wright.

You can't have everything, where would you put it?

Strange how even jokes are made about things that confuse you.

 

[alwight]

Clearly something that loses its eyes is devolution.

My disbelief in gods is also a belief. :think:

 

[Jacob]

What a terrible thing to say.

It is not terrible to say.

I haven't.

Stuart

That is something you can evaluate yourself with the help of God. The rest of this must be said though you should know I say it in love and not in a condemning way. It is for everyone. Sin is not ONLY breaking the law, but breaking the law IS sin... and all have done so. I have included myself here, so I hope you don't take this as anyone attacking you. It is simply the word of God which applies to each and every one of us.

Romans 2:14 NASB - For when Gentiles who do not have the Law do instinctively the things of the Law, these, not having the Law, are a law to themselves,

Romans 2:15 NASB - in that they show the work of the Law written in their hearts, their conscience bearing witness and their thoughts alternately accusing or else defending them,

Romans 2:16 NASB - on the day when, according to my gospel, God will judge the secrets of men through Christ Jesus.

Romans 3:23 NASB - for all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God,

Romans 6:23 NASB - For the wages of sin is death, but the free gift of God is eternal life in Christ Jesus our Lord.

James 1:15 NASB - Then when lust has conceived, it gives birth to sin; and when sin is accomplished, it brings forth death.

1 John 3:4 NASB - Everyone who practices sin also practices lawlessness; and sin is lawlessness.

1 John 3:8 NASB - the one who practices sin is of the devil; for the devil has sinned from the beginning. The Son of God appeared for this purpose, to destroy the works of the devil.

James 2:10 NASB - For whoever keeps the whole law and yet stumbles in one point, he has become guilty of all.

Here is a thread where you can see the commands of God laid out in an accessible manner. There are more than even 1050 commands found in the New Testament, and I have not done them all as far as I can tell. Therefore I know that just from reading the New Testament writings I can still know that I have sinned and am in need of saving. It started with the first man, Adam and Eve, and continues down to this day. But one day all we see now will be made new. And with what Jesus did about 2000 years ago this is clearly possible. He died for our sins and was raised from the dead for our justification.

Romans 4:25 NASB - He who was delivered over because of our transgressions, and was raised because of our justification.

LINK -> The Ten Commandments and the Two Commandments

I encourage you to read the scriptures for yourself, for example starting with the gospel of John or the letter from Paul to the Romans which are both found in the New Testament writings.