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Gary, You are, by your own statement, an unbeliever. So, why do you care what the bible teaches about what Hell is? I find it fascinating that an unbeliever shows up here and gives the single most biblically substantive argument I've ever seen on TOL for what is believed, throughout most of...

You are definitely not in the wrong place! The reason the forum might seem more "etertainment" based than what you're looking for has only to do with the lack of people capable of having serious discussions about their religious beliefs without getting their feelings hurt and leaving. People...

Oh man! This might be really fun! I can't wait.

Thanks JR! I fixed it in my post as well.

Okay, first of all, let me just tell you that I am not going to try to respond to every point in your post. Not that I don't want to but simply that it makes for an incredibly long post that no one would want to read. If I skip over something that you want me to address specifically, just point...

He, Doug McBurney and I have a date to meet together and talk about thing in 10,000 years. I intend to keep that date. Cool! :cool:

This first section of the essay makes me miss Bob Enyart so much! I wish I could have heard Bob's argument! I wish I could call him right now and ask him about this topic. I still can't believe he's gone. :( I'm reminded of when I was first exposed to Bob Enyart, watching his nightly TV show...

Gary, I have to say that I like your posts. You seem to think clearly and you ask good questions. I am, however, a bit baffled by the following.... As for the point you're making, I can follow what you're saying here but I can't resist pointing out the contradiction inherent in thinking that...

I see your point. Excellent point. I am hoping, however, that he's intellectually honest enough to engage the discussion on the merits and not on the superficiality of a mere label. I was literally stunned when I found them! I went searching for quotes from Calvin on various topics precisely...

I agree.

Not really. It is specifically Calvinists who believe that God saves/punishes people for no reason... “God is moved to mercy for no other reason but that he wills to be merciful.” (John Calvin, Institutes of Christian Religion, Book 3, Chapter 22, Paragraph 8) “Therefore, those whom God passes...

It should be pointed out that those points are not my mere opinion. Each point is substanciated biblically in the thread I linked too. Are there any of them that you reject? Saved from what? That's a whopping big "If"! Most, if not all, children do not need saved. Romans 3:20b ...by the law...

The following is an essay written several years ago by a poster here that went by the user name "Lion" (if memory serves me correctly!). He was a member of Bob Enyart's congregation at the time and may still be a member of that church. The point being that I am not the author of what follows but...

Gary, Okay, so based on your opening post, I would be strongly inclined to give you the benefit of the doubt and proceed as though you ARE NOT saved. (i.e. I'd rather assume you aren't saved and be wrong than to assume you are saved and be wrong so whenever there's any doubt, the default is...

Yes, we spent several weeks hashing out what was the bare minimum of what one needed to believe in order to be saved. It was a good exchange! I particularly like that thread because its one of the times where I've been convinced to change my position on an important point. I started the thread...

They are consistently against anything that would bring consequences - any consequences - to a person's sexual behavior.

No way you're that stupid. Is being a liar a qualification for Bishop at your church? Any sixth grader could read post 1718 (and now post 1736 as well) and understand the argument it's making about you abruptly switching from talking about "God's words", whatever that even means, to "Jesus".

That's an excellent point! Evolution could never produce a self-correcting mechanism in the first place because, among other reasons, doing so would mean creating a mechanism by means of the very process that the mechanism itself is intended to prevent! Is there even any evidence in the real...

Why, if your doctrine is true, do you dance around the point? Why not just address that actual point of the argument? :unsure:

I have little doubt that he'd "allow" them to come here but I very much doubt that he advertises his participation on the web forum. Although, you never know! I keep having to remind myself that people who throw reason to the wind have no fence between what makes sense and what doesn't.