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Completely brilliant from start to finish. Don't expect any sort of answer of any substance from Dartman. I wonder if he allows any of his congregation, of which he a supposed "bishop", to read this thread?

John was not transported in time, Marke! He was shown a vision of future events, not the actual future. The future does not exist.

You believe a Greek philosophical fantasy and I believe the word of God which teaches that God has always existed, not that He exists outside of time. Aristotle taught that God exists outside of time and Augustine imported that belief into the Catholic church. If you believe that God exists...

(y) I thought of a point last night that I wish I had included in order to help convey the point on this matter and since we're mostly in agreement here already, I won't make a big deal of it but I would like to present the brief point just for the sake of doing so.... We human beings are also...

The fact that Jesus is God in the flesh is not one of the hidden things of God, marke! The Apostle John wrote it as plain as day in his part of the most widely published book in the history of books!

Oh wow! You made it to two sentences! I'm not sure I'll have the time to respond to it all! Not honestly they don't. It isn't a limitation inherent in Dartman, or most anyone else for that matter, that prevents him from understanding that Jesus is the fleshly incarnation of God Himself. It's...

This is Calvinist stupidity. Literally, Marke, it's stupidity. It's no different than believing that Marvel Comic books are a record of real events. You're right about one thing, though! No amount of genius could ever compute the notion with "natural mathematical formulas" (I have no idea what...

JR already handled this quite well and so I won't go into detail here except to say that there isn't anything the slightest bit irrational about 2 Peter 3:8. The verse isn't try to tell you that a thousand years IS a day to God and and that a day IS a thousand years. It's an expression with a...

Okay look, I've had some things happening around here that have gotten me on edge and so I'm going to take your word for it and chalk it up to me just being an idiot. If that's your answer then you don't understand the question. All you did was make the distinction between the person's of the...

I Corinthians 2:14 is not talking about that basic tenets of the gospel, marke! I've already addressed this? Why won't you have a discussion with anyone? Anyone who can read can be shown the spiritual things of God. And, even without the written word, God has shown everyone to the point that...

What? You're moving the goal post here, marke. You are making that claim that somehow Dartman, and presumably anyone else who dissagrees sufficiently with your doctrine, that they don't get it because they CANNOT get it. That there's something broken that makes them incapable of understanding...

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You're condescending and insulting. Yeah, no kidding. The Son and the Father are also One and in more important ways that what we can either say or even understand. There's a lot more distinctions than that. God the Son is the God who not only became a man but also DIED and who lives again...

Really? Prove it, hypocrite! Put up or shut up time, Idolater! You think you're so damn superior to me then show us all your Catholic wisdom! Liar. Prove me wrong! I dare you. You won't even try.

Verses that @Dartman does not read... John 10:17 “Therefore My Father loves Me, because I lay down My life that I may take it again. 18 No one takes it from Me, but I lay it down of Myself. I have power to lay it down, and I have power to take it again. This command I have received from My...

Blah blah blah. Jesus is God in the flesh - period. It isn't half as complicated as people, particularly bishops, make it out to be. What's so hard about understanding the idea that God became a human being? Sure, there's is, as you say, a distinction between God the Father, God the Son and...

Why? They may have a hard time accepting it as true but that isn't the same thing at all. Why would it be harder for the average Joe to conceptualize that idea than it was for you to write that sentence? The doctrine of the Trinity is a difficult subject for anyone, including believers, isn't...

LOL!!! :ROFLMAO: Well, all I can say is, this clown isn't afraid to make a fool of himself! I can't tell if he's blind to it or if he just doesn't care. He who is evil, let him be evil still.

Okay, I can go with a potential misunderstanding. Let's talk it out. Think it through, as it were. The phrase "spiritual truths" is pretty broad. What spiritual truths are you talking about? Romans 1 makes it painfully clear that spiritual truths such as God's existence and right and wrong are...

You have a choice, Idolater. In fact, that is the first of Luther's 95 theses! "Our Lord and Master Jesus Christ, when He said "Repent", willed that the whole life of believers should be repentance." - Martin Luther No, it's entirely correct. Have you ever bothered to read the 95 Theses that...