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This literally made me laugh! How is it even possible for anyone to be persuaded by this sort of literal stupidity?! You don't need the American Heritage dictionary nor a Chamber's dictionary nor Mounce's dictionary! By the way, cults almost universally point their people to dictionaries...

That may be. It is also irrelevant. The entire thread is still here for the whole world to read, Gary. It's more than a passing interest. It's your pet doctrine. It is the excuse you use to reject Christianity. Why would anyone care about the time when the Jews began writing about hell and...

It's because almost no one knows what justice is - including you, it would seem... Blasphemy! God is just - period! God is not merciful "out of His own compassion" as though He has the option of simply ignoring sin. It is out of His own suffering that God can be merciful. It is precisely...

How could anyone ever convince you of anything? You never engaged beyond what you can type in a single sentence or copy/paste from someone else's work.

Nope. That would be unjust. Adam's nature changed as a result of his rebellion and we are living with that consequence but the alternative is for God to end the human race altogether and all hope for redemption along with it. You DO NOT get sick, injured, die or otherwise suffer because God is...

You are such a waste of time.

Implying a falsehood is a lie, Gary. A false pretense is a lie. You're here pretending like you don't know what Christians believe about Hell. I believe you not only know, but are an expert on the topic, even if that is the loosest possible sense of the term "expert". Either that, or you're...

Great. Thanks for expressing your personal opinion and quoting a completely irrelevant and out of context verse of the bible. Would you care to actually read the opening post and offer a substantial rebuttal to any of its arguments?

I've always felt like Lion could have put a finer point on this part of his argument. I don't think, and I suspect that Lion would agree, that "full maturity" isn't necessary. The point is that, because we don't come out of the womb with fully mature brains, it would stand to reason that.... 1...

Many have asked such questions throughout the ages. Virtually all the answers are speculation, at best. There are two things that we know for certain.... 1. God is not obligated to save anyone at all. 2. God is just. Whatever someone gets, he'll get it because he deserves it and, moreover...

Because our flesh has not yet been redeemed and thus bad thing, injury, disease, death, etc still happen. Be careful not to conflate life with existence or physical death with spiritual death. They aren't the same thing. One's soul will exist forever. If your soul departs from your body, this...

Follow? How? In the mind of an atheist? I wish that I thought you might be joking! It's not as if there were fifty options to choose from. If God desired to have a relationship with ANY human beings then there was one and only one price that could have been paid to make that possible while...

First of all, no it was in no way, in vain! It's a completely asinine thing to even say! There seems no end to your misunderstanding of the bible (on purpose perhaps?). Is there ANYTHING about Christianity that you object to that isn't Calvinist? I can tell you that, so far, what I've seen from...

Then, just a few sentences later... I will never understand it when people do this sort of thing! The word "hell" is an English word and so, yes, of course, Jesus never uttered that particular word but, even by Rhema's own statement, He repeatedly used the words in Hebrew that convey the same...

Children are not yet lost and so do not need "saving". They need to be taught, yes, but not saved. We should tell children, that we rightly have influence over, the truth and treat them according to their actions and attitudes but we should focus at least as much of our evangelistic efforts on...

Proverbs 22:6 Train up a child in the way he should go, And when he is old he will not depart from it. Ephesians 6:4 And you, fathers, do not provoke your children to wrath, but bring them up in the training and admonition of the Lord.

@JudgeRightly, I'm going to be quite busy today so I'll have to wait to read your full post until I have more time. All I've read so far is just the first few sentences but I thought I'd offer the following, just as a teaser... While I think Lion's argument to be a good one (the best I've yet...

If you died today and found yourself before Christ and thus, that your current unbelief was in error, would you even want for your childhood "attempts to get saved" to have been effective? If so, why?

It doesn't matter, Gary! It's laughable that you're afraid of eternal torment but not of God. If you think you're getting off light, you've got another thing coming. It's the fear of God that is the beginning of wisdom, not of Dante's conception of Hell. Proverbs 9:10 “The fear of the Lord is...

Feelings lie to people all the time. Anyone who makes such a collosal decision based on feelings is a fool to begin with and they deserve what they get. I don't disagree but Gary's post didn't ignore that passage and it seems fruitless to debate it anyway, especially with an unbeliever.