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    The Saving results of the Death of Christ !

    As I wrote earlier, it is the repentance from sin that is most important in order for God to give anyone any gift. Making the "temple" clean for His residency is second most important. It does if you want the "temple" to be clean, (1 Cor 6:19-20), and the old man of sin destroyed. (Ro 6:6)...
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    The Saving results of the Death of Christ !

    I thank God for the gift of the Holy Ghost !
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    The Saving results of the Death of Christ !

    Yes, as there is no difference. Jesus did that for us, and all we had to do to be raised with Him to walk in newness of life was get water baptized into Him and into His death, burial, and resurrection. If we have the faith to believe, we can partake in Jesus' plight the same way the family of...
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    The Saving results of the Death of Christ !

    ... according to what you believe. OK. The key there was "in Christ" I too received remission of my past sins "in Christ" when I was water "immersed" into Him and into His death, burial, and resurrection. (Rom 6:3-7) Being dead with Him allowed my sinless perfection. (Rom 6:7) They are all...
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    The Saving results of the Death of Christ !

    No, we can receive the gift of the Holy Ghost before we are water baptized in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins. Though it is only documented once in the bible. There is nothing confusing about the command to turn from sin. (Acts 2:38) Yes, only one performed by God.
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    The Saving results of the Death of Christ !

    OK. The numbers are just numbers to me.
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    The Saving results of the Death of Christ !

    I disagree. He did not say "and no more". If you feel you don't need to have your past sins washed away in the name of Jesus Christ, that is your choice. My choice was to get baptized as soon as I could, as I truly desired the clean conscience Peter wrote of in 1 Peter 3:21.
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    The Saving results of the Death of Christ !

    Agreed. But it does require a real repentance from sin. Water baptism in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins can come next.
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    The Saving results of the Death of Christ !

    Not really pertinent to the conversation.
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    The Saving results of the Death of Christ !

    I thought I wrote it earlier???
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    The Saving results of the Death of Christ !

    He cited what John, and the twelve, had one done. Then supplied the NT water baptism in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins. It is one baptism by men, and one by God, in the NT. As there are at least half a dozen baptisms cited in the bible, are you saying none is real except the...
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    The Saving results of the Death of Christ !

    I understand those that have the same Spirit I have been given.
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    The Saving results of the Death of Christ !

    Ha, I actually wrote "metaphor" first but changed it later. "Planted" is a metaphor for the actual burial we partake of with Christ by the grace of God's gift of water baptism is the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of past sins. It "saved them" by saving then from the wrath of God poured...
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    The Saving results of the Death of Christ !

    John's baptism unto repentance did wash away past sins, but Jesus also had power on earth to forgive sins Yes, if one needed to be free of sin to be saved. Which doctrine do you not understand? Isn't getting washed of old sins "righteous? Or are you saying it is unrighteous to get washed of...
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    The Saving results of the Death of Christ !

    Not to be confused with the first twelve apostles. Big deal. Are we supposed too think of Israel when we buy eggs or donuts?
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    The Saving results of the Death of Christ !

    Yes it does. Agreed. "Planted" is a simile for burial. If it is just a figure, then so was Noah's ark. The scripture says..."the like figure", so if one is just a picture so is the other. Both are real events necessary for salvation. By your death, burial, and resurrection with Christ to...
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    The Saving results of the Death of Christ !

    No, not at all, as it did just that. Water does wash away past sins, if done in the name of Jesus Christ, or the name of the Father Son and Holy Ghost. That is how baptism is done since the death and resurrection of Christ. Both were done within minutes of each other, and since his salvation...
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    The Saving results of the Death of Christ !

    Just as I wrote earlier.
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    The Saving results of the Death of Christ !

    And yet Paul baptized the twelve at Ephesus (Acts 19), again. One done by men, or one done by God. I believe it. Do you believe 1 Cor 6:11? "And such were some of you: but ye are washed, but ye are sanctified, but ye are justified in the name of the Lord Jesus, and by the Spirit of our God."...
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    The Saving results of the Death of Christ !

    I'll stick with Paul, and Rom 6:3-7, and Gal 5:24.
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