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I am glad we agree that Paul was not walking in the "flesh" when he wrote Romans. Why not write "flesh", as it is opposed to walking in the Spirit. They won't do otherwise if they are Christians, as they have crucified the "flesh" with the affections and lust. Everyone walking after the...

I guess their refutation was not a refutation either. It certainly wasn't enough to convince me that I have to return to the flesh that has been killed with Christ.

Really? If Paul was still walking in the "flesh" when he wrote Romans, but writing about his past, (v5), then God's seed would indeed be bearing sinful fruit. Which you just said you're not saying. In fact, the previous chapter told us how to destroy the flesh/old man. (Rom 6:6) Me either. In...

OK. You left rebirth out of your equation. The body quickened by the Holy Spirit is what is walking around now, and after the Spirit and not after the "flesh". As I have refuted an equal number of times. It didn't change the context, which verses 5 and 6 continues with. "Even when we were...

Great ! Then you are saying that which is of God's seed can bring forth the fruit of the devil. Don't you remember the parables about seed only being able to bring forth after itself? Grapes from fig seeds? It isn't possible. A man whose prison was destroyed can't remain in his cell. If the...

Because you don't believe the "old man" was destroyed.

I didn't know we were talking about something new. The body that is dead. That isn't the resurrection Eph 2:1 is talking about. You are talking about the final resurrection of the world, some to eternal glory and others to damnation. I am talking about being raised with Christ from His grave...

It is clear you agree with "Derf", who misintrpretatated some verses to show he is still awaiting rebirth. I have nothing to be sorry for. Derf has, but you only came into the conversation in the middle. And we continue to disagree. Our opinions differ. You must be talking in riddles or...

I see nothing in Heb 2:15 that pertains to the discussion. Apply your "foot notes" to Col 2:11-12. As Paul starts that verse with "But if the Spirit..."...It is clearly the second part of one prior thought, an action that will take place if the prior point is accomplished. Here is that...

I write it because scripture says it can't happen. So you do believe the old man is destroyed before the new creature takes over? After so many posts that surprises me. I am glad, and thank God, if the scriptures I supplied had a hand in changing your mind.

Because Rom 6:6, Gal 5:24, and 2 Cor 5:17 say so. Rom 6:6..."Knowing this, that our old man is crucified with him, that the body of sin might be destroyed, that henceforth we should not serve sin." Gal 5:24..."And they that are Christ's have crucified the flesh with the affections and lusts." 2...

Because there can't be two of me. Or of you. If we are new creatures and our old man is still in existence, we are two creatures. That won't do.

Can a fig seed bear olives? Neither can God's seed bear liars or thieves. If the old man was destroyed, he cannot do sinful actions. If the old man was not destroyed, we cannot be reborn. And thank God for his exhortations. And for his reminders, admonishments, and warnings. That is what...

It is written..."All unrighteousness is sin." (1 John 5:17) I recommend righteousness.

That doctrine leaves the "old man" in existence, when it could have been destroyed. That doctrine allows the continuation of what was born of Adam, instead of allowing that which is born of God to thrive. By insisting "it" is symbolic, we remove the reality. Your opinion. Not mine. I have...

At least we now know what exactly he can't understand. That being, faith in the words of Rom 6:3-6, and Gal 5:24.

Faith can move mountains. Why shouldn't it be capable of allowing my deserved death, and burial with Christ?

That's the thing about what can be accomplished by faith. Some can't grasp it but those with faith can. By faith, I was crucified with Christ. (Gal 5:24) My death was immediate, but yours seems to be a lingering one...though according to your previous paragraph it didn't exist anyway. What a...

Thanks for printing out the scripture I paraphrased above. It was crucified with Christ and buried with Him. It was dead with Christ before burial with Christ, and before it was raised with Christ to walk in newness of life with Christ. (Rom 6:3-4) Don't you believe Rom 6:3? "Know ye not, that...

No, it was killed with Christ at my water baptism into Christ and into His death and burial. (Rom 6:3-6, Gal 5:24) The vessel I walk around in now has been quickened by the Spirit that raised Jesus from the dead. (Rom 8:11) I have a body that was once dead with Christ, but then made alive with...