I Lived Through Collapse. America Is Already There.

Arthur Brain

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Funny how JD Eyeliner Vance went from being an ardent critic to a boot licking sycophant (not quite as funny as Rubio's shoes...)
Vance even thinks that 'nuclear suicide vests' are possible...

ICE is one more despicable aspect of the current administration and its enablers.
 

Idolater

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Well, considering he hasn't stopped one war, let alone eight and in fact started one recently with Iran, then he was never going to get the peace prize. He doesn't even know how the process works, it isn't Norway who decide anyway but hey, just another gaffe in a catalogue of many and ensuing toys thrown out of his pram etc...

Greenland seems to be quite a but further down his list (if he can keep track of it) behind Iran and let's face it, the Epstein files...

We still definitely want Greenland, and Canada. Did you know we'd increase our territory by over 100%, but our population by only 10%? ofc we want that. Anybody would want that.
 

annabenedetti

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Funny how JD Eyeliner Vance went from being an ardent critic to a boot licking sycophant (not quite as funny as Rubio's shoes...)
Vance even thinks that 'nuclear suicide vests' are possible...

The extent that his inner circle have humiliated themselves is second only the the effect their cowardice has had on the country, and the world.

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annabenedetti

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Skilled statesman now equals Trump sycophant.

Trump's guy in the Middle East is a real estate buddy of his with no governmental or diplomatic experience who admitted he watched Netlix documentaries to understand his job. Bad enough on its own, but to admit it publicly? No skill, no statesman.
 
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Arthur Brain

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We still definitely want Greenland, and Canada. Did you know we'd increase our territory by over 100%, but our population by only 10%? ofc we want that. Anybody would want that.

The people of Greenland and Canada don't and the US has no entitlement to either, respectively. Trump can bleat as much as he likes, (when he isn't posting demented rants and AI pics on his *truth social* platform) he ain't getting them.
 

annabenedetti

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Which part of ICE is unlawful?

Where have they not followed due process?

Can you point to any specific examples?

I gave you several specific examples, back around page 19 of this thread.

Remember this man?

 

Arthur Brain

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Which part of ICE is unlawful?

Where have they not followed due process?

Can you point to any specific examples?

ICE are just a set of masked thugs. Two American citizens have needlessly died, another was lucky to survive after being shot numerous times, people have been detained without due process including British tourists with valid ID, kids have been torn away from their families etc etc etc. I could cite plenty of examples but what would be the point? You'll brush it off as you did with Good and Pretti and ICE are just fantastic at doing their job! No thanks
 

Arthur Brain

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I gave you several specific examples, back around page 19 of this thread.

Remember this man?


There's numerous cases but it won't matter to most on here. Heck, with the likes of Borvino (he even looked like an SS clown with his ridiculous coat and Kristi "bad day to be a goat" Noem at the forefront) it's little wonder ICE was just as pathetic. Heck, even Bondi admitted one such employee was a felon pardoned by Trump following Jan 6th
 

annabenedetti

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There's numerous cases but it won't matter to most on here. Heck, with the likes of Borvino (he even looked like an SS clown with his ridiculous coat and Kristi "bad day to be a goat" Noem at the forefront) it's little wonder ICE was just as pathetic. Heck, even Bondi admitted one such employee was a felon pardoned by Trump following Jan 6th

Grifters, liars, and incompetents.
 

JudgeRightly

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I gave you several specific examples, back around page 19 of this thread.

Remember this man?


And I told you what happened.

In a post you have so far completely ignored.

Post in thread 'I Lived Through Collapse. America Is Already There.' https://theologyonline.com/threads/...e-america-is-already-there.54623/post-1924669

ICE goes to arrest violent sexual predators here in the country illegally.
Find man at address they had used.
He matches the description of someone they're looking for.
He refuses to provide ID.
They detain him, until they can identify him.

He could have made things way easier on himself had he simply identified himself.

Instead, he refused to, and got dragged out into the cold in his skivvies.

What an idiot.

4th Amendment prohibits unreasonable searches and seizures.

They had reason to be there and to suspect that the people they were looking for lived there. This is what gets them in without a warrant.

The man who actually lived there wasn't compliant. So they detained him. And they didn't have time to potentially allow the people they were looking for to escape, so he get's pulled from the house in his skivvies.

And like I said, this ALL could have been avoided had he identified himself.
 

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ICE are just a set of masked thugs.

You didn't answer my questions:

Which part of ICE is unlawful?

Where have they not followed due process?

Can you point to any specific examples?

Two American citizens have needlessly died, another was lucky to survive after being shot numerous times, people have been detained without due process including British tourists with valid ID, kids have been torn away from their families etc etc etc. I could cite plenty of examples but what would be the point? You'll brush it off as you did with Good and Pretti and ICE are just fantastic at doing their job! No thanks

Good nearly ran over an agent. His shooting her was justified. Awful but lawful, as they say.

Pretti's death can be chalked up to a weapon known to discharge without pulling the trigger (a Sig Saur P320) and Pretti's refusal to comply with officers while armed at a protest and who they tried to detain due to his assaulting someone else. His gun going off after being taken off of him caused officers to think he had started shooting, which justified their response. A tragedy, but not murder.

Their deaths were indeed needless. But entirely not the fault of ICE.

Without knowing the specifics of the alleged other instances of injustice; people being shot by police or law enforcement is usually because they're not complying with lawful commands and are threatening law enforcement to the point where they have to shoot; detaining someone is one of the lawful things a police officer or ice agent can do, especially when trying to determine identity when suspected of a crime; kids whose parents are deported should be deported along with them, and particularly in the case of the one ICE case where the agents babysat one of the children, his father abandoned him as he was fleeing ICE.

The realreason you won't cite cases is because you don't have a strong leg to stand upon with them, because the instances that you would quote are at best ambiguous or need firther investigating, but upon even just a cursory inspection, show that they don't fit your narrative.

So again, Arthur, I ask:

Which part of ICE is unlawful?

Where have they not followed due process for illegals?

Can you point to any specific examples where they have not?
 

Idolater

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The people of Greenland and Canada don't and the US has no entitlement to either, respectively. Trump can bleat as much as he likes, (when he isn't posting demented rants and AI pics on his *truth social* platform) he ain't getting them.

I can't wait to expand our territory with Canada and Greenland.
Canadians and Greenlanders will get used to being American, we all did.
 
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