oatmeal
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Ah, the immediate personal attack because you have no answer.
Does God forgive and forget our sins?
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OZOS
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Scroll back and read.
2 Corinthians 5:18-19 NKJV
Now all things are of God, who has reconciled us to Himself through Jesus Christ, and has given us the ministry of reconciliation, [19] that is, that God was in Christ reconciling the world to Himself, not imputing their trespasses to them, and has committed to us the word of reconciliation.
Read the verse in context. There is nothing which says only God can reconcile people to himself. Only the Calvinists believe that. Are you and Right Divider are now Calvinists?
This is a key set of verses showing Jesus is not God. Notice that it says he was in the form of God - not he is God. How was he in the form of God? He was God's Son and had divine position and authority. The next phrase is a key phrase emphasized by Paul in Romans 5. Adam attempted to become equal with God which caused his downfall, while Jesus did not regard equality with God a thing to be grasped. This obedience unto death would not redeem humanity if Jesus were God. Jesus being human was key.
Jesus humbled himself by not using his position for his own ends. This is why Satan offers him all the kingdoms of the world. This is a nonsensical temptation if Jesus is God. The temptation is very real for someone for someone who will die on a cross. Jesus had the position of the Son of God. He humbled himself by not taking advantage of this position and choosing to obey God and die on the cross.
Hebrews 2:14-18 NLT
Because God’s children are human beings—made of flesh and blood—the Son also became flesh and blood. For only as a human being could he die, and only by dying could he break the power of the devil, who had the power of death. [15] Only in this way could he set free all who have lived their lives as slaves to the fear of dying.
[16] We also know that the Son did not come to help angels; he came to help the descendants of Abraham. [17] Therefore, it was necessary for him to be made in every respect like us, his brothers and sisters, so that he could be our merciful and faithful High Priest before God. Then he could offer a sacrifice that would take away the sins of the people. [18] Since he himself has gone through suffering and testing, he is able to help us when we are being tested.
The problem is that you're trying to fit "Jesus is God" into the Bible. The passage is clearing going out of its way to make sure everyone understands that Jesus is human and that he is not some divine being. As for the word "partook", you're reading far too much into it. Yes, God's promise had to be human. In that way the promise "partook".
You quoted the same passage in a previous translation, my explanation remains the same.
That's Anselm's soteriology. There are other soteriologies out there. You might want to look around.
He quoted 1 John 4:2. If you lack Bible knowledge, Google is your friend.
No you didn't. The passage you quoted involves buying one's way out of death with gold and has nothing to do with Jesus having to be God to redeem everyone. (see verse 15) That idea starts with Anselm.
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You are a liar. He simply quoted a passage directly from the Bible.
God is Love, Love forgets sin which is deliberate disloyalty to deity.
You are splitting hairs with some kind of technicality based argument which ignores the context of forgiveness.
His quote was a response to
Which means that his post was not just a quote, the post was a specific interpretation which he has previously given for that passage. I don't disagree with the Psalms, I disagree with his interpretation of that Psalms.
Are you A) calling me a liar, in that you're saying that I did not quote the Bible? or B) asserting that Psalm 49:7-9, which I quoted, verbatim, is not part of the Bible? or perhaps both A and B?
Oh, so I was quoting it? Imagine that...
I see no gold in the passage, or the chapter either, for that matter.
Who's the one interpreting the passage again?
Just realized I forgot this verse:
But God will redeem my soul from the power of the grave, For He shall receive me. Selah - Psalm 49:15 http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Psalm49:15&version=NKJV
My quote was me saying that this:
Reminded me of a certain passage, namely Psalm 49:7-9 (and additionally verse 15).
Did I or did I not quote directly from the Bible, the passage found at Psalms
49:7-9?
In what way is being reminded of a passage "a specific interpretation"?
I provided no interpretation.
I merely stated that this:
Reminded me of this:
None of them can by any means redeem his brother, Nor give to God a ransom for him—For the redemption of their souls is costly, And it shall cease forever—That he should continue to live eternally, And not see the Pit. - Psalm 49:7-9 http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Psalm49:7-9&version=NKJV
And also this:
But God will redeem my soul from the power of the grave, For He shall receive me. Selah - Psalm 49:15 http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Psalm49:15&version=NKJV
Fix your formatting.
oatmeal
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Splitting hairs you say.
If God forgets then He is not all knowing.
So either God is not all knowing or He is all knowing.
oatmeal
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My concern is not the quoted scripture, that quote is plenty familiar to me.
My concern is his statement which is not a quote of scripture, but actually ignores what the scripture he refers to states
I John 4:2 says nothing about God coming in the flesh, is speaks of Jesus Christ is come in the flesh
Hereby know ye the Spirit of God: Every spirit that confesseth that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is of God:
oatmeal
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I am waiting for you to supply the scripture references for your statement
OZOS
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Already provided. Don't be lazy. See responses on page 2.
Also here. https://theologyonline.com/threads/jesus-is-god.17701/page-186#post-1782987
God knows he forgave your sins. No need to think about them.
oatmeal
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Yes, I think that statement says something different than "God forgets"