The Vicarious Life and Death of Christ for the Believer

[God's Truth]

That is the Gospel.

Jesus is the Godman. His mission was to perfect fallen humanity. He perfected it by living a sinless life and atoning for the sins of the whole world. After he perfected it he took it back to heaven. Our salvation is in a very safe place at the right hand of God. We are complete in him, Colossians 2:10.

Adam listened and obeyed sin.

However, you preach we do not have to obey the second Adam.

You should adjust your beliefs and align them with the truth.

 

[God's Truth]

No, part of your "good news" is that the Saviour's walk in the law was vicarious for us, imputed to our account, reckoned as if we walked in the law=righteousness by the law=satanic.

No scripture asserts that, despite your humanism, speculation.

It is unbelievable how you speak.

The good news IS Jesus.

 

[God's Truth]

Acts 17:18
A group of Epicurean and Stoic philosophers began to debate with him. Some of them asked, “What is this babbler trying to say?” Others remarked, “He seems to be advocating foreign gods.” They said this because Paul was preaching the good news about Jesus and the resurrection.

 

[musterion]

That is the Gospel.

1 Cor 15:3-4 is Paul's clearest, most concise summation of what to believe to be saved and His walk is not mentioned.

You're preaching a human addition to the Gospel that Paul never preached.

 

[God's Truth]

1 Cor 15:3-4 is Paul's clearest, most concise summation of what to believe to be saved and His walk is not mentioned.

You're preaching a human addition to the Gospel that Paul never preached.

Paul does not ever preach against obeying what Jesus taught when he walked the earth,

 

[God's Truth]

He is perfect, righteous, because He is God, Pate, not because He lived a sinless life, walking in the law, as you assert.And he is our righteousness, only because we are united to Him by faith, "In Christ," not because His walk in the righteousness of the law is reckoned, imputed to our account, as you make up.

If you obey my commandments, you will remain in my love, just as I have obeyed my Father's commandments and remain in his love.

 

[john w]

If you obey my commandments, you will remain in my love, just as I have obeyed my Father's commandments and remain in his love.

Leviticus 1.

So there.

 

[john w]

It is unbelievable how you speak.

The good news IS Jesus.

Oh.

Get saved.

 

[God's Truth]

Oh.

Get saved.

The good news is Jesus.

 

[God's Truth]

Leviticus 1.

So there.

Jesus preached a NEW law, a new covenant, new rules and guidelines.

Jesus is the Lamb of God who takes away the sins of the world and no one has to bring animals to sacrifice anymore.

 

[john w]

You just spoke major error.

Since you exalt Paul over the words of Christ while he walked the earth, listen to what Paul says---


ALL SCRIPTURE is for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness.


But you say not when Jesus walked the earth!

False dichotomy.

The Lord Jesus Christ spoke God the Father's words, while on earth. Paul speaks the risen, glorified, ascended, seated, Lord from heaven's words in this dispensation.


You exalt God the Father over the words of the risen, glorified, ascended, seated, Lord from heaven, as spoken through Paul.

See how that works?

 

[john w]

The good news is Jesus.

Vague assertion. Mormons, Catholics, JW's, you,..... i.e., lost people, say that.

Get saved.

 

[john w]

Jesus preached a NEW law, a new covenant, new rules and guidelines.

Jesus is the Lamb of God who takes away the sins of the world and no one has to bring animals to sacrifice anymore.

Leviticus 2.

So there.

 

[God's Truth]

False dichotomy.

The Lord Jesus Christ spoke God the Father's words, while on earth.

Jesus IS the WORD OF GOD. That means whatever Jesus says he is speaking for God and only God's words.

Paul speaks the risen, glorified, ascended, seated, Lord from heaven's words in this dispensation.

Paul speaks what Jesus the WORD says. Same God's Word.

You exalt God the Father over the words of the risen, glorified, ascended, seated, Lord from heaven, as spoken through Paul.

See how that works?

Jesus is the Word of God. That means his words are God the Father's words.

 

[God's Truth]

Vague assertion. Mormons, Catholics, JW's, you,..... i.e., lost people, say that.

Get saved.

Jesus is the good news and you deny that which makes you just as wrong as all those other denominations who get things wrong.

 

[john w]

Jesus is the good news and you deny that which makes you just as wrong as all those other denominations who get things wrong.

Vague assertion. Mormons, Catholics, JW's, you,..... i.e., lost people, say that.

Get saved.

 

[john w]

Jesus IS the WORD OF GOD. That means whatever Jesus says he is speaking for God and only God's words.



Paul speaks what Jesus the WORD says. Same God's Word.




Jesus is the Word of God. That means his words are God the Father's words.

You're drunk, not even knowing your own "argument:"

Since you exalt Paul over the words of Christ while he walked the earth,

The Lord Jesus Christ spoke God the Father's words, while on earth.Paul speaks the risen, glorified, ascended, seated, Lord from heaven's words in this dispensation.

You exalt God the Father over the words of the risen, glorified, ascended, seated, Lord from heaven, as spoken through Paul.

See how that works?

 

[glorydaz]

You're drunk, not even knowing your own "argument:"



The Lord Jesus Christ spoke God the Father's words, while on earth.Paul speaks the risen, glorified, ascended, seated, Lord from heaven's words in this dispensation.

You exalt God the Father over the words of the risen, glorified, ascended, seated, Lord from heaven, as spoken through Paul.

See how that works?

Yep, it works so well, we get a repeat. :thumb:

 

[God's Truth]

You're drunk, not even knowing your own "argument:"

I think you are the one who is drunk and unable to understand:

 

[john w]

I think you are the one who is drunk and unable to understand:

1. I drink, but not 3 jugs of "Boone's Farm," before lunch, as you do.

2. I did not know that you were a sodomite.Stay away from me.