The Vicarious Life and Death of Christ for the Believer

Robert Pate

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To be under the law is to be under the judgment of God.

This is why Paul said to the Galatians, "Tell me that you desire to be under the law, DO YOU NOT HEAR THE LAW?" Galatians 4:21.

In the judgment you will be either be found under the law or in Christ. To be found "In Christ" means that you trusting in Christ alone for your salvation.

If the law has not been abolished for Christians then it is still active and everyone will be judged by it and they will perish. But thanks be unto God it has been abolished.
 

musterion

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If faith in Christ's earthly walk is a necessary part of the faith content by which one is saved, Paul would have made it very plain.
 

Robert Pate

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If faith in Christ's earthly walk is a necessary part of the faith content by which one is saved, Paul would have made it very plain.

You can't be that blind.

"And all things are of God who has reconciled us to himself by Jesus Christ" 2 Corinthians 5:18.

When Jesus lived, we lived in him.

When Jesus died, we died with him.

We are "In Christ" and Christ is in heaven, Colossians 3:3.
 

musterion

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You can't be that blind.

"And all things are of God who has reconciled us to himself by Jesus Christ" 2 Corinthians 5:18.

When Jesus lived, we lived in him.

When Jesus died, we died with him.

We are "In Christ" and Christ is in heaven, Colossians 3:3.

Nowhere does Paul say faith in Christ's earthly walk is a necessary part of the faith content by which one is saved.
 

Robert Pate

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Nowhere does Paul say faith in Christ's earthly walk is a necessary part of the faith content by which one is saved.

I do believe that you are anti-Gospel. The incarnation of Jesus Christ is the heart of the Gospel. God clothed himself in human flesh and came into the world to do for us that which we cannot do for ourselves.

He is God's new Adam and our new humanity.

"If any man be "In Christ" he is a new creation" 2 Corinthians 5:17.

"And all things are of God, who has reconciled us unto himself by Jesus Christ" 2 Corinthians 5:18.

All that Jesus is and all that Jesus did was for our justification and our salvation".
 

musterion

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The incarnation of Jesus Christ is the heart of the Gospel.

God was indeed in Christ reconciling the world to Himself, but Paul nowhere says that's part of the content of the saving Gospel that must be believed.
 

Robert Pate

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God was indeed in Christ reconciling the world to Himself, but Paul nowhere says that's part of the content of the saving Gospel that must be believed.

That is the Gospel.

Jesus is the Godman. His mission was to perfect fallen humanity. He perfected it by living a sinless life and atoning for the sins of the whole world. After he perfected it he took it back to heaven. Our salvation is in a very safe place at the right hand of God. We are complete in him, Colossians 2:10.
 

john w

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He is God's new Adam and our new humanity.
That is this demon's MO on TOL-he just makes up, corrupts, fabricates biblical terms, and then spams made up "doctrine." There is no need for him to spam this "new Adam" jazz, as he should stick to the details of what the book says, a book of details.

"the last Adam-1 Cor. 15;45


Watch him spam his, "Yeh, but it says we are new creatures in Christ...all things new...." in support of this made up "new Adam." Watch. The intent of "the last Adam" is very specific, and has NADSA to do with "new creatures in Christ...all things new," as he will try to spin.


Watch his deceitful response, cliches, more made up "doctrine."
 

john w

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God was indeed in Christ reconciling the world to Himself, but Paul nowhere says that's part of the content of the saving Gospel that must be believed.

Another part of his MO-citing verse that have NADA to do with his argument. Next up from him:

Who did "Jesus" do all this for? "All" that He did was for us......Apparently, you don't believe that all He did was for you.....

=Trap question, assuming, what must be proved, false dichotomy.
 

God's Truth

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Nowhere does Paul say faith in Christ's earthly walk is a necessary part of the faith content by which one is saved.


You just spoke major error.

Since you exalt Paul over the words of Christ while he walked the earth, listen to what Paul says---


ALL SCRIPTURE is for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness.


But you say not when Jesus walked the earth!
 

john w

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That is the Gospel.

Jesus is the Godman. His mission was to perfect fallen humanity. He perfected it by living a sinless life and atoning for the sins of the whole world. After he perfected it he took it back to heaven. Our salvation is in a very safe place at the right hand of God. We are complete in him, Colossians 2:10.
No, part of your "good news" is that the Saviour's walk in the law was vicarious for us, imputed to our account, reckoned as if we walked in the law=righteousness by the law=satanic.

No scripture asserts that, despite your humanism, speculation.
 

God's Truth

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I do believe that you are anti-Gospel. The incarnation of Jesus Christ is the heart of the Gospel. God clothed himself in human flesh and came into the world to do for us that which we cannot do for ourselves.

He is God's new Adam and our new humanity.

"If any man be "In Christ" he is a new creation" 2 Corinthians 5:17.

"And all things are of God, who has reconciled us unto himself by Jesus Christ" 2 Corinthians 5:18.

All that Jesus is and all that Jesus did was for our justification and our salvation".

If you believe all that, then why do you go against actually obeying what Jesus says?
 

God's Truth

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God was indeed in Christ reconciling the world to Himself, but Paul nowhere says that's part of the content of the saving Gospel that must be believed.

Of course what Jesus says while he walked the earth must be believed AND OBEYED.


Romans 4:23
Now the words "it was credited to him" were written not only for Abraham,

Romans 15:4
For everything that was written in the past was written for our instruction, so that through endurance and the encouragement of the Scriptures, we might have hope.
 

john w

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....He perfected it by living a sinless life...
He is perfect, righteous, because He is God, Pate, not because He lived a sinless life, walking in the law, as you assert.And he is our righteousness, only because we are united to Him by faith, "In Christ," not because His walk in the righteousness of the law is reckoned, imputed to our account, as you make up.
 
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