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  • #31
    Originally posted by Nick M View Post
    Never for the purpose of trying to please God. The only thing he will accept is his perfect, sinless, righteous Son. And I am in him, my life is hid in him.

    No need for him to look at the filth we think is good.
    Now I'm interested.

    What is your reason for doing good works?
    Your "catholic" is showing. - Sozo

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    • #32
      Originally posted by glassjester View Post
      So when you do good works, it's totally fine.
      But if I do good works, it's a work of the flesh.
      If you do them thinking you are going to please him, then yes.
      Jesus saves completely. http://www.climatedepot.com/ http://www.thereligionofpeace.com/

      Titus 1

      For there are many insubordinate, both idle talkers and deceivers, especially those of the circumcision, whose mouths must be stopped

      Ephesians 5

      11 And have no fellowship with the unfruitful works of darkness, but rather expose them. 12 For it is shameful even to speak of those things which are done by them in secret

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      • #33
        Originally posted by musterion View Post
        ...I said not one word about Catholics.
        We are called to testify against them (Ac 14:15). Idolaters should be put to death (Deut. 17:2–5).

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        • #34
          Originally posted by chrysostom View Post
          so what did you give up for lent?
          Give up Catholicism (Re 17:5) or share in her sins (Re 18:4).

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          • #35
            Originally posted by chrysostom View Post
            why not give up catholic hating for lent?
            Ro 12:9, Jud 11

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            • #36
              Originally posted by Nick M View Post
              If you do them thinking you are going to please him, then yes.
              I think I agree with you.


              What is your reason for doing good works?
              Your "catholic" is showing. - Sozo

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              • #37
                Originally posted by bybee View Post
                My goodness! And what am I to make of one who presumes to judge the state of another Christian's soul?
                That is a constant thing with them.
                Eastern Orthodox-Western Rite

                I believe, O Lord, and I confess that Thou art truly the Christ, the Son of the Living God, Who didst come into the world to save sinners, of whom I am chief.

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                • #38
                  Originally posted by musterion View Post
                  I work almost exclusively with prots and they're the ones going on and on about what they're "surrendering" for Lent.

                  I know where Lent comes from but I said not one word about Catholics.

                  Your conscience must be bothering you.
                  You did not specify, and usually you're into Catholic bashing, so who's to know?
                  Eastern Orthodox-Western Rite

                  I believe, O Lord, and I confess that Thou art truly the Christ, the Son of the Living God, Who didst come into the world to save sinners, of whom I am chief.

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                  • #39
                    Galatians 5

                    1Stand fast therefore in the liberty by which Christ has made us free, and do not be entangled again with a yoke of bondage. 2 Indeed I, Paul, say to you that if you become circumcised, Christ will profit you nothing. 3 And I testify again to every man who becomes circumcised that he is a debtor to keep the whole law. 4 You have become estranged from Christ, you who attempt to be justified by law; you have fallen from grace.

                    16 I say then: Walk in the Spirit, and you shall not fulfill the lust of the flesh. 17 For the flesh lusts against the Spirit, and the Spirit against the flesh; and these are contrary to one another, so that you do not do the things that you wish. 18 But if you are led by the Spirit, you are not under the law.


                    I wonder if people really understand this or are applying their preconceived notions from "church" teachings. Walking in the Spirit is to ignore the law. Walking in the Spirit is usually defined wrong on this forum and with many Christians. Paul is very clear.

                    Earlier in the letter Paul said this;

                    2 This only I want to learn from you: Did you receive the Spirit by the works of the law, or by the hearing of faith? 3 Are you so foolish? Having begun in the Spirit, are you now being made perfect by the flesh?

                    And fake "Pentecostals" say that is only circumcision. Wrong. Paul is very clear. Under circumcision, you are indebted to keep the whole law. It isn't just about cutting of the flesh, which was foreshadowing.
                    Last edited by Nick M; February 19th, 2016, 12:04 PM.
                    Jesus saves completely. http://www.climatedepot.com/ http://www.thereligionofpeace.com/

                    Titus 1

                    For there are many insubordinate, both idle talkers and deceivers, especially those of the circumcision, whose mouths must be stopped

                    Ephesians 5

                    11 And have no fellowship with the unfruitful works of darkness, but rather expose them. 12 For it is shameful even to speak of those things which are done by them in secret

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                    • #40
                      Originally posted by musterion View Post
                      Once a year you choose to give up, for a brief period, something you normally enjoy. In and of itself, that's neither good nor bad.

                      But if you're honest, you who observe Lent will explain and justify your observance with one or more of the following:

                      a. it gives you that sense of quiet pride and self-satisfaction (aka self-righteousness) when you hint to others what you're giving up, as some have already trumpeted here on TOL,

                      b. you're just bowing to social pressure from religious others who'd frown on you not playing along, or

                      c. you think it makes you more holy and acceptable to God.

                      d. Probably some mix of the three.

                      Also, that Lent is temporary (once a year, briefly) is hypocritical...if something's a big enough deal to surrender "for God" once annually, how do you justify indulging it the rest of the year? Is God really going to be impressed because you give up bon-bons or R-rated movies for a several weeks? Lent is purely of the flesh -- substantially no different in motive than Muslims gorging themselves at night during their days of their "holy" fasts.

                      So let's call Lent what it actually is: a man-pleasing, God-impressing, self-centered holiday to indulge the flesh under the guise of denying the flesh. It's plain old hypocritical pride -- just like the Pharisees of old whitening their faces during fasts and blowing trumpets when they toss pennies to the poor, all in order to appear more sincere and to impress the rubes with their devoutness.

                      That's you when you observe Lent.

                      There is no motivation you can come up with for Lent, as it is practiced, that will justify it as acceptable to God.
                      I would say you are wrong on all counts. When we fast, we “shift our focus” from ourselves to God and others, spending less time worrying about what to eat, when to eat, how much to eat, and so on in order to use our time in increased prayer and caring for the poor. We learn through fasting that we indeed can gain control over those things that we too often allow to control us—and for many people, food is a controlling factor. [We live in the only society in which an entire TV network is devoted to food!] While fasting from food, however, we are also challenged to fast from sin, from gossip, from jealousy, from anger, and from those other things which, while well within our control, we all too often allow to control us.

                      Further, just as we would refrain from eating a lot before going to an expensive restaurant for dinner—if we “ruin our appetite” we will hardly enjoy our dinner—so too we fast before Holy Pascha in order to more fully feast and celebrate on the Feast itself.

                      I guess since you guys have no besetting sins and passions (at least so you claim) you have no need of spiritual exercises to improve yourself. That's nice for you. I, however, prefer to follow Jesus, the Apostles, and Paul on this, and seek a growing communion with God, less attachment to the world and our passions, and more holiness, as we are instructed to do.

                      It boggles the mind that you think God would disapprove.
                      Eastern Orthodox-Western Rite

                      I believe, O Lord, and I confess that Thou art truly the Christ, the Son of the Living God, Who didst come into the world to save sinners, of whom I am chief.

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                      • #41
                        Originally posted by musterion View Post
                        [W]hat is yet lacking?
                        If we were doing such a stand up job, he wouldn't have to send two witnesses now would he? Jer 8:8, Mal 4:4-5 Two witnesses are required before stoning a whore. Why are they determined to keep Syria? Lookin' pretty good after that big ol' rock disrupts your life.

                        See:

                        Planet X

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                        • #42
                          Originally posted by serpentdove View Post
                          You're a Nibiruvian?
                          Your "catholic" is showing. - Sozo

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                          • #43
                            Originally posted by glassjester View Post
                            Is it sinful for me to fast?
                            The issue is WHY one does it, not so much the deed or act itself, whatever it may be.
                            "There is one thing worse than going to Hell. That would be going to Hell and having it be a surprise."
                            Terence Mc Lean

                            [most will be very surprised]


                            Everyone who has not believed the Gospel of grace is not saved, no matter what else they believe or do.
                            By that measure, how many professing Christians are on their way to the Lake of Fire?

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                            • #44
                              Originally posted by bybee View Post
                              My goodness! And what am I to make of one who presumes to judge the state of another Christian's soul?
                              No hysterics, please.
                              "There is one thing worse than going to Hell. That would be going to Hell and having it be a surprise."
                              Terence Mc Lean

                              [most will be very surprised]


                              Everyone who has not believed the Gospel of grace is not saved, no matter what else they believe or do.
                              By that measure, how many professing Christians are on their way to the Lake of Fire?

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                              • #45
                                On Ash wednesday we read Isaiah 58:4-10. Wonderful prophetic reimagination of the fast as striving for justice for the weak rather than groveling in front of God just for the sake of it..

                                And my God, MAD-theology is uninspiring and pointless. Boils down to believing a contractual proposition about some cosmic bill being paid. It is a perversion of Luther's "On Christian Liberty", basically tearing out the second half of the work. Give up MAD for lent, that would be a good idea.
                                "By the tender mercy of our God, the dawn from on high will break upon us to give light to those who sit in darkness and in the shadow of death, to guide our feet into the way of peace." (Luke 1:78-79)

                                The Light Eternal, breaking through,
                                the world to gleam anew;
                                His beams have pierced the core of night,
                                He makes us children of the light.

                                -Martin Luther

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