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  • Originally posted by Bright Raven View Post
    That is not what I asked.
    There was a time when I believed Trinitarianism was a biblical truth, but after studying the issue, I realized that I had deceived myself.

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    • Originally posted by CherubRam View Post
      There was a time when I believed Trinitarianism was a biblical truth, but after studying the issue, I realized that I had deceived myself.
      What did you do with all the trinitarian passages you use to know, John 1:1, 14. Colossians 1:16, ! John 1:1-2? Did you just put them aside? If I may ask, what denominational Church did you attend as a Trinitarian and are you still the same denomination?
      He is no fool who gives what he cannot keep to gain what he cannot lose.

      Jim Elliot

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      • Originally posted by Bright Raven View Post
        What did you do with all the trinitarian passages you use to know, John 1:1, 14. Colossians 1:16, ! John 1:1-2? Did you just put them aside? If I may ask, what denominational Church did you attend as a Trinitarian and are you still the same denomination?
        I just ignore any biblical corruptions. I was baptized 50 years ago in a Baptist Church. Upon occasion I visit different congregations. It is difficult not to say anything when hearing any error. I do not want to disrupt any services.

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        • Originally posted by CherubRam View Post
          I just ignore any biblical corruptions. I was baptized 50 years ago in a Baptist Church. Upon occasion I visit different congregations. It is difficult not to say anything when hearing any error. I do not want to disrupt any services.
          Why would you call truth a corruption? What do you find corrupt in the passages quoted.
          He is no fool who gives what he cannot keep to gain what he cannot lose.

          Jim Elliot

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          • Originally posted by Bright Raven View Post
            What did you do with all the trinitarian passages you use to know, John 1:1, 14. Colossians 1:16, ! John 1:1-2? Did you just put them aside? If I may ask, what denominational Church did you attend as a Trinitarian and are you still the same denomination?
            None of these verses are Trinity passages BR.

            It seems our differences are between God and a form of God.

            God and his spiritual Son are two not one being.
            One in purpose, but two beings.
            Psalm 1[/COLOR] and Job 28:28

            Rev 22:14 Blessed are they that do his commandments, that they may have right to the tree of life, and may enter in through the gates into the city.

            Joh 4:23 "But an hour is coming, and now is, when the true worshipers will worship the Father in spirit and truth; for such people the Father seeks to be His worshipers.

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            • The most Trinitarian passages in the whole Bible are Matthew 16:18-19, John 21:15-17. The Holy See is Trinitarian.

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              • More clinic time for the JW...

                Originally posted by KingdomRose View Post
                If Bart Ehrman translated a version himself to publish, he would write "and the word was a god."

                Dead wrong.


                Bart Ehrman already has rendered John 1.1 on his blog website, proving you ignorant, yet again, as thus...




                Bart Ehrman January 7, 2013

                I don’t have an informed view of the Jehovah’s Witnesses, although it’s true that Arians believed that Jesus was God but not that he was equal with God the Father or co-eternal with him. John 1:1 — I think the proper translation is “The Word was God.” (In this Gospel Jesus appears to be equal with God — here I disagree with the Arian view — but he is not *identical* with God, a major point I think.)


                http://ehrmanblog.org/my-next-book/


                Owned.

                Again.

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                • Originally posted by Bright Raven View Post
                  What did you do with all the trinitarian passages you use to know, John 1:1, 14. Colossians 1:16, ! John 1:1-2? Did you just put them aside? If I may ask, what denominational Church did you attend as a Trinitarian and are you still the same denomination?
                  They SHOULD be put aside, because they do not say what you want them to say. John 1:1 does not say that Jesus is God, and Colossians 1:16 shows that Jesus was involved in the creation of everything, but not that he was God.

                  You stand on slippery ground, and I pray that you start listening to the solid, sane truth.

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                  • Originally posted by CherubRam View Post
                    I just ignore any biblical corruptions. I was baptized 50 years ago in a Baptist Church. Upon occasion I visit different congregations. It is difficult not to say anything when hearing any error. I do not want to disrupt any services.
                    I was also baptized 50 years ago in a Baptist Church, in Florida. What a racket. I belong to one congregation now, and I know that I would have to say something if I went to any other churches.

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                    • Originally posted by Bright Raven View Post
                      Why would you call truth a corruption? What do you find corrupt in the passages quoted.
                      I pointed out to you long ago on these threads why your rendering of John 1:1 is corrupt, as well as others. But you ignore my points completely. What you espouse is not "truth." Far from it.

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                      • Originally posted by Nihilo View Post
                        The most Trinitarian passages in the whole Bible are Matthew 16:18-19, John 21:15-17. The Holy See is Trinitarian.
                        The "Holy" See is also the most corrupt institution on the planet. It is anything but holy! It's interesting, though, that the Church has said that there is nothing to positively show that God is a Trinity. The closest the Bible comes is Matthew 28:19, and even then nothing there indicates that those three are EQUAL, or even that the H.S. is a person. Matthew 16:18-19 and John 21:15-17 don't even HINT at a trinity.

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                        • Originally posted by Apple7 View Post
                          Dead wrong.


                          Bart Ehrman already has rendered John 1.1 on his blog website, proving you ignorant, yet again, as thus...





                          Owned.

                          Again.
                          I have his book, The Orthodox Corruption of Scripture. YOU are stinkin ignorant, dog. I read in his book that he said that John 1:1 does not say that Jesus is God, because "the word was god" does not have an article" the way "and the word was with the god" does. Page 113. In black and white!

                          If he is saying something else now, he has reverted back to the dark ages. I call that a major job of WAFFLING! Shame on him. No backbone. He said, "what one does find in the phrase 'the only-begotten Son' is a phrase that affirms Christ's unique divine character, without stating that he is the one and only God himself (which not even verse 1 asserts, because 'god' lacks the article)." BOOM. BANG. BAM. OWNED. GO LOOK IT UP IN HIS BOOK! I gave you the page number.

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                          • Originally posted by KingdomRose View Post
                            I have his book, The Orthodox Corruption of Scripture. YOU are stinkin ignorant, dog. I read in his book that he said that John 1:1 does not say that Jesus is God, because "the word was god" does not have an article" the way "and the word was with the god" does. Page 113. In black and white!

                            If he is saying something else now, he has reverted back to the dark ages.

                            Dr. Ehrman grand slams your assertion.

                            Deal with it.

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                            • Folks,

                              Look at how this JW still clings tenaciously to a 21 year old outdated and outmoded book as her gold reference standard!

                              Look at how she does the jitter-bug when she just discovered that her idol, Dr. Ehrman, now plainly, and irrefutably states that Jesus is God in John 1.1....!



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                              • 1 Timothy 3:16 New King James Version (NKJV)

                                16 And without controversy great is the mystery of godliness:

                                God was manifested in the flesh,
                                Justified in the Spirit,
                                Seen by angels,
                                Preached among the Gentiles,
                                Believed on in the world,
                                Received up in glory.
                                He is no fool who gives what he cannot keep to gain what he cannot lose.

                                Jim Elliot

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