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Epoisses
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A great analogy for the church is like it's the NFL
Each team is different denomination with a different gospel
Eventually one team rises to the top and wins it all
The Dispensationalist gospel is like the Browns
Jerry Shugart
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Because of people like you:
"For such are false apostles, deceitful workers, transforming themselves into the apostles of Christ. And no marvel; for Satan himself is transformed into an angel of light. Therefore it is no great thing if his ministers also be transformed as the ministers of righteousness; whose end shall be according to their works" (2 Cor.11:13-15).
These are the people like you who teach that the "gift" of eternal life must be worked for!
Jerry Shugart
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At least that is on the professional level. Yours is like the Podunk Junior High Shool Skunks.
Not only is yours on a juvenile level but it stinks to high heaven!
But they do. There are very few Christian ecclesial communities who reject Easter---that the Lord Jesus is risen---as fictional.
It began in AD 1054 when many eastern bishops rejected the successorship of the Apostle Peter's supreme pastorship of the Church. But that schism only resulted in a small splintering between the handful of Orthodox churches and the Catholic Church. The Reformation was a further rejection of authority, this time, a rejection of all bishops. No Christian traditions stemming from the Reformation have any bishops at all. They are all pastored by what effectively are deacons.
So bottom line, it's because so many Christians have rejected the Church's overseers/elders, which the Lord and His Apostles set in place in the first century.
1Mind1Spirit
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Sorry Nihilo but it started way before 1054.
Just as prophesied by Paul here....
29:“For I know this, that after my departing shall grievous wolves enter in among you, not sparing the flock.And of your own selves shall men arise, speaking perverse things, to draw away disciples after them.”.
THE FIRST EPISTLE OF CLEMENT TO THE CORINTHIANS
St. Clement of Rome
Chap. I. The salutation. Praise of the Corinthians before the breaking forth of schism among them.
THE Church of God which sojourns at Rome, to the Church of God sojourning at Corinth, to them that are called and sanctified by the will of God, through our Lord Jesus Christ: Grace unto you, and peace, from Almighty God through Jesus Christ, be multiplied.
Owing, dear brethren, to the sudden and successive calamitous events which have happened to ourselves, we feel that we have been somewhat tardy in turning our attention to the points respecting which you consulted us;1 and especially to that shameful and detestable sedition, utterly abhorrent to the elect of God, which a few rash and self-confident persons have kindled to such a pitch of frenzy, that your venerable and illustrious name, worthy to be universally loved, has suffered grievous injury. For who ever dwelt even for a short time among you, and did not find your faith to be as fruitful of virtue as it was firmly established? Who did not admire the sobriety and moderation of your godliness in Christ? Who did not proclaim the magnificence of your habitual hospitality? And who did not rejoice over your perfect and well-grounded knowledge? For ye did all things without respect of persons, and walked in the command-merits of God, being obedient to those who had the rule over you, and giving all fitting honour to the presbyters among you. Ye enjoined young men to be of a sober and serious mind; ye instructed your wives to do all things with a blameless, becoming, and pure conscience, loving their husbands as in duty bound; and ye taught them that, living in the rule of obedience, they should manage their household affairs becomingly, and be in every respect marked by discretion.
Chap. II. Praise of the Corinthians continued.
Moreover, ye were all distinguished by humility, and were in no respect puffed up with pride, but yielded obedience rather than extorted it, and were more willing to give than to receive? Content with the provision which God had made for you, and carefully attending to His words, ye were inwardly filled with His doctrine, and His sufferings were before your eyes. Thus a profound and abundant peace was given to you all, and ye had an insatiable desire for doing good, while a full outpouring of the Holy Spirit was upon you all. Full of holy designs, ye did, with true earnestness of mind and a godly confidence, stretch forth your hands to God Almighty, beseeching Him to be merciful unto you, if ye had been guilty of any involuntary transgression. Day and night ye were anxious for the whole brotherhood, that the number of God's elect might be saved with mercy and a good conscience. Ye were sincere and uncorrupted, and forgetful of injuries between one another. Every kind of faction and schism was abominable in your sight. Ye mourned over the transgressions of your neighhours: their deficiencies you deemed your own. Ye never grudged any act of kindness, being "ready to every good work." Adorned by a thoroughly virtuous and religious life, ye did all things in the fear of God. The commandments and ordinances of the Lord were written upon the tablets of your hearts.
Chap. III. The sad state of the Corinthian church after sedition arose in it from envy and emulation.
Every kind of honour and happiness was bestowed upon you, and then was fulfilled that which is written, "My beloved did eat and drink, and was enlarged and became fat, and kicked." Hence flowed emulation and envy, strife and sedition, persecution and disorder, war and captivity. So the worthless rose up against the honoured, those of no reputation against such as were renowned, the foolish against the wise, the young against those advanced in years. For this reason righteousness and peace are now far departed from you, inasmuch as every one abandons the fear of God, and is become blind in His faith, neither walks in the ordinances of His appointment, nor acts a part becoming a Christian, but walks after his own wicked lusts, resuming the practice of an unrighteous and ungodly envy, by which death itself entered into the world.
Chap. IV. Many evils have already flowed from this source in ancient times.
For thus it is written: "And it came to pass after certain days, that Cain brought of the fruits of the earth a sacrifice unto God; and Abel also brought of the firstlings of his sheep, and of the fat thereof. And God had respect to Abel and to his offerings, but Cain and his sacrifices He did not regard. And Cain was deeply grieved, and his countenance fell. And God said to Cain, Why art thou grieved, and why is try countenance fallen? If thou offerest rightly, but dost not divide rightly, hast thou not sinned? Be at peace: thine offering returns to thyself, and thou shalt again possess it. And Cain said to Abel his brother, Let us go into the field. And it came to pass, while they were in the field, that Cain rose up against Abel his brother, and slew him." Ye see, brethren, how envy and jealousy led to the murder of a brother. Through envy, also, our father Jacob fled from the face of Esau his brother. Envy made Joseph be persecuted unto death, and to come into bondage. Envy compelled Moses to flee from the face of Pharaoh king of Egypt, when he heard these words from his fellow-countryman, "Who made thee a judge or a ruler over us? wilt thou kill me, as thou didst kill the Egyptian yesterday?" On account of envy, Aaron and Miriam had to make their abode without the camp. Envy brought down Dathan and Abiram alive to Hades, through the sedition which they excited against God's servant Moses. Through envy, David underwent the hatred not only of foreigners, but was also persecuted by Saul king of Israel.
Chap. V. No less evils have arisen from the same source in the most recent times. The martyrdom of Peter and Paul.
But not to dwell upon ancient examples, let us come to the most recent spiritual heroes. Let us take the noble examples furnished in our own generation. Through envy and jealousy, the greatest and most righteous pillars[of the Church] have been persecuted and put to death. Let us set before our eyes the illustrious apostles. Peter, through unrighteous envy, endured not one or two, but numerous labours and when he had at length suffered martyrdom, departed to the place of glory due to him. Owing to envy, Paul also obtained the reward of patient endurance, after being seven times thrown into captivity, compelled to flee, and stoned. After preaching both in the east and west, he gained the illustrious reputation due to his faith, having taught righteousness to the whole world, and come to the extreme limit of the west, and suffered martyrdom under the prefects. Thus was he removed from the world, and went into the holy place, having proved himself a striking example of patience.
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people are different
4 different blind people and Jesus healed them 4 different ways
Mar 10:51 And Jesus said to him, “What do you want me to do for you?” And the blind man said to him, “Rabbi, let me recover my sight.”
Mar 10:52 And Jesus said to him, “Go your way; your faith has made you well.” And immediately he recovered his sight and followed him on the way.
Mat 20:32 And stopping, Jesus called them and said, “What do you want me to do for you?”
Mat 20:33 They said to him, “Lord, let our eyes be opened.”
Mat 20:34 And Jesus in pity touched their eyes, and immediately they recovered their sight and followed him.
Mar 8:22 And they came to Bethsaida. And some people brought to him a blind man and begged him to touch him.
Mar 8:23 And he took the blind man by the hand and led him out of the village, and when he had spit on his eyes and laid his hands on him, he asked him, “Do you see anything?”
Mar 8:24 And he looked up and said, “I see people, but they look like trees, walking.”
Mar 8:25 Then Jesus laid his hands on his eyes again; and he opened his eyes, his sight was restored, and he saw everything clearly.
Joh 9:6 Having said these things, he spit on the ground and made mud with the saliva. Then he anointed the man's eyes with the mud
Joh 9:7 and said to him, “Go, wash in the pool of Siloam” (which means Sent). So he went and washed and came back seeing.
1Mind1Spirit
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Adam chose whom he would serve.
Humans were granted six millennial days to do their thing.
The children of the devil act like the children of the devil.
The children of God act like the children of God.
Do you believe it?
If not then why not?
Now would a child of the devil say this to me or a child of God.
Which one you tell me?
1) Almost all churches agree on the Apostles’ Creed, which has the essentials.
2) Different people have different needs, and as a nondenominational Christian I view members of many denominations as brothers and sisters in Christ.
jaybird
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i think much of it comes from rome taking over the faith. before rome there were different voices. there was a difference between James and Paul but you dont hear James and Paul denouncing each other, it was just different voices for the same message. when rome came along they stomped out all other voices.
popsthebuilder
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From mans perspective or view it is due to greed, pride, and fear in my opinion.
Greed is the root of sin.
Error abounds within the sects of the "church" though we know the Christ is in harmonious accord with GOD and the actual body of Christ, temple of GOD, and church are in harmonious accord with Christ and one another.
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popsthebuilder
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It's free.
What is done with said gift is the issue.
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You say no one can even know if they are saved. You insult those who preach we can get saved and know we are saved. What makes you think you are better than the churches that don't agree about simple Jesus' gospel?
You make sense.
Yes, they spread evil and many followed her; it is because their faith were not genuine, imo.
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