Why Homosexuality MUST Be Recriminalized! Part 3

[The Barbarian]

I do believe the guy who adamantly defends homosexuality, incest and pornography

Connie wants to pretend that anyone who thinks those things are sinful, but doesn't want to arrest adults doing it, is "defending" it. I don't want to jail Connie for being dishonest about it, while still deploring his behavior.

 

[alwight]

Hence the reason I constantly say "Those who go through 'gay' therapy can overcome homosexual behavior and often times same sex desires."

Saying sexual desires can be overcome rather means that you do think that it is a conscious choice at some level. I wonder what else you think is a conscious choice, remembering to breath while asleep perhaps?

It's that free will thing that God gave us, something that you atheists can't relate to.

Regarding "changing sexual orientation" :

We've seen that certain factors in a person's childhood "changed their sexual orientation". The last case with in the video of a man named Thomas Hunter who admitted that he was abandoned by his father and later raped by a Boy Sodomizer of America.

People seek help to "change their sexual orientation" back to what they were born with:

the natural sexual desires that God gave them.

Nonsense, it simply can't be determined exactly how a child will develop sexually as an adult, so any assumption that their sexual orientation was changed during childhood is presumptuous. It is simply far more consistent with some children naturally being gay, despite any unfortunate event(s) having occurred in the past.

Darwinian (perhaps Godless?) evolution, having gone to all the trouble of evolving a highly sophisticated bi-gender sexual reproduction apparatus, to then not equip the individual with an innate desire to use it would be rather absurd imo.
The fact that some people want to use it on the same sex is perhaps a moot point but an arguably explainable one imo.
If nature had left sexual desires to a personal choice it would be ridiculous if applied to other animals, who now probably wouldn't exist, so why assume that humans are any different if we evolved from such creatures?

 

[serpentdove]

Why Homosexuality MUST Be Recriminalized! Part 3

Saying sexual desires can be overcome rather means that you do think that it is a conscious choice at some level. I wonder what else you think is a conscious choice, remembering to breath while asleep.

Comparing breathing to the choice to commit fornication (Ex 20:14). :dizzy:

This is blaming God [Ge 3:12] (e.g. I was made this way... I can't help myself, :blabla: etc.). Your argument won't stand (Deut 22:5, Mt 19:4, Ro 1:20, Re 20:11).

 

[TracerBullet]

That being said: Until the American Psychiatric Association was strong armed into removing homosexuality from their list of mental disorders by homosexual activists, homosexuality was considered a mental illness.

pathological lying is actually a mental illness you know.

 

[TracerBullet]

Yet Exodus International operated successfully for 37 years, starting back in 1976 when it's most recent so called "leader" who not only sold out God but all of those brave people who have been able to beat homosexual behavior and desires was only 4 years old.

and just how many of "all those brave people" actually changed their sexual orientation?

Of course your LGBTQueer/NAMBLA movements definition of success is that 101% of those people who attend SOCE therapy have their same sex desires changed, but when those that were successful testify that they have, they're nothing but a bunch of LIARS! LIARS! LIARS!

you seem to be the only one being dishonest here

Seriously TB, is your LGBTQueer/NAMBLA movement now comparing happily married men and women with children who have left homosexuality behind with aliens, or that just your pathetic attempt at an analogy?

How can you dismiss the testamentary of hundreds of people? It's almost as if you were saying that the testimony of some random people isn't actually evidence of something happening

Tell us again that people like Stephen Bennett are a bunch of LIARS! LIARS! LIARS! TB.

Tell us that the brave testamentary Kellie Cohill doesn't show that aliens actually do abduct people.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G1ENUbO156A

Just think of how even more successful these organizations would be if we lived in a society once again that frowned upon homosexuality and embraced decency.

Think of all of the little boys and girls that wouldn't even have to go through therapy if the pedophiles and pederasts of your LGBTQueer/NAMBLA movement were where they should be:

Either locked up or in a cemetery.

Fantasizing about genocide again Connie?

 

[alwight]

Comparing breathing to the choice to commit fornication (Ex 20:14). :dizzy:

This is blaming God [Ge 3:12] (e.g. I was made this way... I can't help myself, :blabla: etc.). Your argument won't stand (Deut 22:5, Mt 19:4, Ro 1:20, Re 20:11).

Sex outside of a Christian marriage is a very limited concern to non-believers and to many Christians too it seems.
As a non-believer SD I really can't logically blame God or gods for anything. :nono:

 

[alwight]

Environmental factors are responsible for homosexual desires, it's up to the individual on whether they want to change those unnatural desires and/or behavior or not.

Still hoping you have the power to control your own aCW is getting rather too obvious and also rather pathetic.

 

[serpentdove]

"Sex outside of a Christian marriage is a very limited concern to non-believers and to many Christians too it seems."

I've noticed (1 Jn 2:19). We are in days like those in Noah's time (Lk 17:26), like those in Lot's time (Mk 17:28). :reals:

"As a non-believer SD I really can't logically blame God or gods for anything."

I didn't want to have to call you a fool so I'll let God speak to that (Ps 14:1). Many blame God for sin when God does not tempt men to sin (Jas 1:13). Men are to blame for their own sin.

If the Sodomite (heterosexual [Lev. 20:10–12] or homosexual [Lev. 20:13]) plans to use the: I couldn't control myself...You made me this way argument, :burnlib: it won't fly (Ro 1:20, Re 20:11). opcorn:

 

[aCultureWarrior]

Quote:
Originally Posted by aCultureWarrior
Obviously they were born with that "Just Happens" gene Sandy (in reality Sandy doesn't know what occurred in these two peoples lives that brought on homosexual desires and later homosexual behavior).

The only thing that is obvious is that their upbringing (environment) had nothing whatsoever to do with their homosexuality.

In reality, I DO know more about *my* friends than you do. It's pretty silly to pretend you have an inside scoop on people you have never met.

Ok then Sandy, I'll make an exception to the rule just for the 2 people that *you* know from high school (one who went to *your* church) who *you* know everything about:

Homosexuality is caused by environmental factors except for two people that *Sandy* knows from high school (one who went to *her* church) who obviously were born with that yet undiscovered "Just Happens" gene.

Feel better now?

 

[aCultureWarrior]

Before I share Ryan Sorba's revealing video, I wanted to make one further comment about the past president of Exodus International: Alan Chambers.

While I have mocked Chambers by inferring that he's given into his past homosexual desires while passing by a public restroom toilet stall, it appears that Chambers is still happily married to his wife of 16+ years and is a dad to two children.

If change was possible for Alan Chambers, I wonder why he thinks it isn't for others?

 

[Arthur Brain]

Quote:
Originally Posted by aCultureWarrior
Obviously they were born with that "Just Happens" gene Sandy (in reality Sandy doesn't know what occurred in these two peoples lives that brought on homosexual desires and later homosexual behavior).



Ok then Sandy, I'll make an exception to the rule just for the 2 people that *you* know from high school (one who went to *your* church) who *you* know everything about:

Homosexuality is caused by environmental factors except for two people that *Sandy* knows from high school (one who went to *her* church) who obviously were born with that yet undiscovered "Just Happens" gene.

Feel better now?

She'll know more about them than you do and your insistence otherwise is just clapped out empty rhetoric as per usual. The obvious reality is that people can simply be gay without any abuse/trauma/unstable backgrounds etc having any influence at all. The fact that it can't compute for you really doesn't matter.

 

[aCultureWarrior]

Quote: Originally posted by aCultureWarrior
Ok then Sandy, I'll make an exception to the rule just for the 2 people that *you* know from high school (one who went to *your* church) who *you* know everything about:

Homosexuality is caused by environmental factors except for two people that *Sandy* knows from high school (one who went to *her* church) who obviously were born with that yet undiscovered "Just Happens" gene.

Feel better now?

She'll know more about them than you do and your insistence otherwise is just clapped out empty rhetoric as per usual. The obvious reality is that people can simply be gay without any abuse/trauma/unstable backgrounds etc having any influence at all. The fact that it can't compute for you really doesn't matter.

I'm acknowledging that *she* (aka Sandy) spent every moment of her life with both people and knows that they weren't exposed to environmental factors that would have brought on homosexual desires and that they are victims of the infamous "Just Happens" gene.

Let's talk about a subject that needs to be discussed: rape (many of these children who developed same sex desires and later acted on them were raped as a child).

Do you believe that there is such a thing as RTS (rape trauma syndrome) Art?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rape_trauma_syndrome

 

[Rusha]

Obviously they were born with that "Just Happens" gene Sandy (in reality Sandy doesn't know what occurred in these two peoples lives that brought on homosexual desires and later homosexual behavior).

Ok then Sandy, I'll make an exception to the rule just for the 2 people that *you* know from high school (one who went to *your* church) who *you* know everything about:

Homosexuality is caused by environmental factors except for two people that *Sandy* knows from high school (one who went to *her* church) who obviously were born with that yet undiscovered "Just Happens" gene.

Feel better now?

Why would you pretending to agree with me in regards to my own experience with people make me feel better?

You keep pretending to not understand that homosexuality is not determined by the action of a person's body but rather about the desire/attraction that comes from a person's mind.

IF you wish to argue against that fact, then feel free to explain how a person who desires the opposite sex is not realllly heterosexual until they actually become sexually active.

 

[Arthur Brain]

Before I share Ryan Sorba's revealing video, I wanted to make one further comment about the past president of Exodus International: Alan Chambers.

While I have mocked Chambers by inferring that he's given into his past homosexual desires while passing by a public restroom toilet stall, it appears that Chambers is still happily married to his wife of 16+ years and is a dad to two children.

If change was possible for Alan Chambers, I wonder why he thinks it isn't for others?

You didn't 'infer' it, you implied it dingbat. You really are useless...

 

[aCultureWarrior]

Quote:
Originally Posted by aCultureWarrior View Post
Obviously they were born with that "Just Happens" gene Sandy (in reality Sandy doesn't know what occurred in these two peoples lives that brought on homosexual desires and later homosexual behavior).

Ok then Sandy, I'll make an exception to the rule just for the 2 people that *you* know from high school (one who went to *your* church) who *you* know everything about:

Homosexuality is caused by environmental factors except for two people that *Sandy* knows from high school (one who went to *her* church) who obviously were born with that yet undiscovered "Just Happens" gene.

Feel better now?

Why would you pretending to agree with me in regards to my own experience with people make me feel better?

Maybe because I'm mocking someone who randomly appears in this thread and seems to know everything about a subject that I've been discussing for over 3 years now?

You keep pretending to not understand that homosexuality is not determined by the action of a person's body but rather about the desire/attraction that comes from a person's mind.

The topic is what brings on same sex desires. I've shown through numerous posts and testimonies by those who have admitted that they have same sex desires (and later acted on them) that it was brought on by environmental factors.

If you have some evidence showing otherwise (sorry Sandy, but the "I know two people who..." just doesn't cut it), then please share.

 

[Arthur Brain]

I'm acknowledging that *she* (aka Sandy) spent every moment of her life with both people and knows that they weren't exposed to environmental factors that would have brought on homosexual desires and that they are victims of the infamous "Just Happens" gene.

Let's talk about a subject that needs to be discussed: rape (many of these children who developed same sex desires and later acted on them were raped as a child).

Do you believe that there is such a thing as RTS (rape trauma syndrome) Art?

I know who *she* is Connie. Is there such a thing as trauma with rape? Well of course there is, who would argue otherwise? That does nothing to support your daft theory that all homosexuals have undergone some sort of trauma/upheaval that "leads" to the development of homosexual attractions.

 

[Arthur Brain]

Maybe because I'm mocking someone who randomly appears in this thread and seems to know everything about a subject that I've been discussing for over 3 years now?



The topic is what brings on same sex desires. I've shown through numerous posts and testimonies by those who have admitted that they have same sex desires (and later acted on them) that it was brought on by environmental factors.

If you have some evidence showing otherwise (sorry Sandy, but the "I know two people who..." just doesn't cut it), then please share.

Connie, just because you've had a pet personal project going for 3 years doesn't make you an expert on the subject by association. All you've shown on this thread is that you're a gullible fixated loon and quite possibly a repressed closet case to boot. You're as hopeless at "mockery" as you are with grammar and as per usual with pompous blowhards you simply can't see how much people are laughing at you, not with you...

 

[Rusha]

Maybe because I'm mocking someone who randomly appears in this thread and seems to know everything about a subject that I've been discussing for over 3 years now?

Oh ... and you somehow believe that is different than those who randomly and frequently appear in a thread to mock someone who pretends to know everything on a subject because he has been discussing it for 3 years now?

Three years and yet your *claims* have not convinced anyone who didn't already agree with you.

The topic is what brings on same sex desires. I've shown through numerous posts and testimonies by those who have admitted that they have same sex desires (and later acted on them) that it was brought on by environmental factors.

And still yet, you believe those people are representative of all.

If you have some evidence showing otherwise (sorry Sandy, but the "I know two people who..." just doesn't cut it), then please share.

It isn't just *my* evidence but an evidence that we all have about our own sexual identity. Just because it is determined at the beginning of life doesn't mean the environment cannot have an affect as well.

Regardless, desire and attraction are NOT a choice. Acting on them is a choice.

BTW, at what age did you make the decision to become a heterosexual? IF sexuality is a choice, when and why did you make that choice?

 

[aCultureWarrior]

Quote: Originally posted by aCultureWarrior
Do you believe that there is such a thing as RTS (rape trauma syndrome) Art?

I know who *she* is Connie. Is there such a thing as trauma with rape? Well of course there is, who would argue otherwise? That does nothing to support your daft theory that all homosexuals have undergone some sort of trauma/upheaval that "leads" to the development of homosexual attractions.

So you would agree with these things in the wiki article that I previously linked about rape survivors and am linking again?

Lifestyle

Survivors in this stage can have their lifestyle affected in some of the following ways:

Questioning their sexual identity or sexual orientation (more typical of men raped by other men or women raped by other women.[16][17]).

Sexual relationships become disturbed.[18] Many survivors have reported that they were unable to re-establish normal sexual relations and often shied away from sexual contact for some time after the rape. Some report inhibited sexual response and flashbacks to the rape during intercourse. Conversely, some rape survivors become hyper-sexual or promiscuous following sexual attacks, sometimes as a way to reassert a measure of control over their sexual relations.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rape_trauma_syndrome

 

[aCultureWarrior]

Quote: Originally posted by aCultureWarrior
If you have some evidence showing otherwise (sorry Sandy, but the "I know two people who..." just doesn't cut it), then please share.

It isn't just *my* evidence but an evidence that we all have about our own sexual identity. Just because it is determined at the beginning of life doesn't mean the environment cannot have an affect as well.

Now if you'd kindly present your evidence that people are born with unnatural (i.e. homosexual) desires, I'm sure that the people following this thread would appreciate it very much.

http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/evidence