Why Calvinist, Catholics, Muslims, Others are Lost

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Robert Pate

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Ask Mr. Religion said:
Given your blindness about the inerrancy of Scripture it is no wonder you think these verses support your odd views.

2 Cor 5:18, 19 - The reconciliation of the world is that God's love in Christ extends to both Jews and Gentiles worldwide (compare Rom. 1:16). Then again, you refuse to attend church, and just think everyone is a minister, so I can see how you can be confused. Sigh.

The Corinthians can only appreciate Paul's apostolic work when they understand it as part of God's work to reconcile the world, that is Christ did not die for all men without exception, but for all men without distinction: people from every national, racial, and ethnic group.

If they want to see God's glory, they can see it most clearly in Paul's reconciling ministry to the world that requires self-sacrifice and inevitably results in suffering. This explains why this passage about God's reconciling work appears in Paul's defense (hence, the primary use of "us", meaning Paul and his associates, while not excluding to all who are believers to share the message of reconciliation). Drop down one more verse and it becomes clear:


2 Corinthians 5:20
Now then we are ambassadors for Christ, as though God did beseech you by us: we pray you in Christ's stead, be ye reconciled to God.


Col. 1:20-23 - You are just not reading what is being said, rather you are imposing your oddities upon the text.

"And you, that were sometime alienated and enemies in your mind by wicked works, yet now hath he reconciled
...If ye continue in the faith grounded and settled, and be not moved away from the hope of the gospel..."

The readers of Paul's Epistle were estranged until granted spiritual life by God through faith in Christ's active and passive obedience. All humanity is not reconciled, Robert. Of course, you deny Hell, so there is that heresy that prevents you from having eyes to see what the text is actually teaching.

It has been pointed out to you by many, usually with perspicuous attention to the teachings of Scripture, that your position is basically universalism in disguise. Your response is always to deny anyone has answered you and you just continue onward declaring you are correct and all others incorrect.

You are making no new claims in this thread. Rather, you are repeating the same basic theme over and over with every thread you start. You get plenty of responses showing you how you have been mistaken, but you simply declare your interlocutors lost, hell-bound, and sin-bent, moving on to create yet another thread with the same basic contents.

You simply refuse to be corrected or even consider the possibility that you have erred. Given your refusal to engage substantively, preferring to just assert this or that repeatedly, the only recourse you leave me and others is to remind you just how far outside the camp your views are in hopes the casual bystander reading your flowery prose will not be taken in.

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You cannot see anything without your Calvinist glasses on.

The scripture plainly says that.. "God was in Christ reconciling the world unto himself" 2 Corinthians 5:19.

This one scripture refutes your Calvinist doctrine.

Because of the victorious work of Christ that was done in our name and on our behalf, God now sees ALL THINGS in his Son Jesus Christ, Colossians 1:20.

The reason that Jesus was able to reconcile the world unto God is because Jesus has atoned for the sins of the whole world, 1 John 2:2.

To deny that Jesus atoned for the sins of the world is to deny that Jesus is Lord. To deny that Jesus is Lord places you outside of the faith.
 
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Robert Pate

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Totton Linnet said:
I was hoping Robert would have some of his prejudices removed in his recent operation, which we are all glad was successful.

What a shame to him that he cannot distinguish Calvin from Mohammed
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Calvin and Mohammed have a lot in common.

They both believe that God is a tyrant.
 
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Robert Pate said:
Calvin and Mohammed have a lot in common.

They both believe that God is a tyrant.
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That's why group neither believes that one can know with 100% certainty he won't be condemned at God's/Allah's pleasure, no matter what he believes or what he does in this life. That, in turn, is also why both require works to prove one is on the right path, and warn of grave penalties for failing in your works upkeep (Muslims = shirk; Reformed = Lordship Salvation; failure to Persevere unto the end).

They're both mutual IOU religions.
 
egyptianmuslim

egyptianmuslim

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Robert Pate said:
It is all very simple.

"The Just Shall Live By Faith"

They live by faith in the holy just nature of God and his Son Jesus Christ.

Those that are saved have abandoned their religion and their righteousness and have entered into God's rest.

"For he that is entered into his rest, he also has ceased from his own works (religion) as God did from his" Hebrews 4:10.

To not enter into God's rest that has been provided by the doing and the dying of Jesus is to be under God's wrath, Hebrews 4:3.

The God of Calvinism is an unjust, unmerciful, unrighteous tyrant that delights in sending people to hell.

The God of Catholicism demands that you work, work, work for your salvation. He is a ruthless taskmaster.

The God of Islam is a warrior God that goes forth to conquer, kill and defeat. "kill the infidels".

The God of Calvinism, Catholicism, Islam, cannot be trusted. Therefore, no one can enter into their rest because there is no rest in religion.

Jesus is the only one that offers a rest from religion.
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Faith is the battery of believers it needs recharging by good work.
God is. above description ,He is not a man.
 
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Robert Pate

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egyptianmuslim said:
Not all christians are led by God but only those walking in His way ie making good work. A human without works is nothing.
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What do you think this scripture means?

"But to him that does no works, but believes on him that justifies the ungodly, his faith is counted for righteousness" Romans 4:5.
 
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Robert Pate said:
What do you think this scripture means?

"But to him that does no works, but believes on him that justifies the ungodly, his faith is counted for righteousness" Romans 4:5.
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In context it means a person cannot earn salvation which is by grace through faith.
 
egyptianmuslim

egyptianmuslim

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Robert Pate said:
What do you think this scripture means?

"But to him that does no works, but believes on him that justifies the ungodly, his faith is counted for righteousness" Romans 4:5.
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Trusting in God is a great work .........but you should fight satan, is it an important work or not?
 
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