Who Justifieth the Ungodly

Hoping

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You way off. Did you understand the post ?
Yes, I did.
You feel the unGodly can be judged as Godly even while they still blaspheme God and without them doing anything that is actually Godly.
I can't agree.
The "blank check" is on the table, but we have to pick it up and cash it.
 

Idolater

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Yes, I did.
You feel the unGodly can be judged as Godly even while they still blaspheme God and without them doing anything that is actually Godly.
I can't agree.
The "blank check" is on the table, but we have to pick it up and cash it.
Yes, by believing the Gospel, by believing in Jesus (John 3:16 Galatians 2:16).
 

beloved57

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hoping

Yes, I did.
You feel the unGodly can be judged as Godly even while they still blaspheme God and without them doing anything that is actually Godly.

Yes if Christ died for them. Christ washed away their blaspheming God along with the rest of their sins. Christ Justifies the ungodly ! Christ died while the elect were ungodly correct ? Look at Rom 5:6


For when we were yet without strength, in due time Christ died for the ungodly. His death Justified them !
 

marke

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Yes if Christ died for them. Christ washed away their blaspheming God along with the rest of their sins. Christ Justifies the ungodly ! Christ died while the elect were ungodly correct ? Look at Rom 5:6


For when we were yet without strength, in due time Christ died for the ungodly. His death Justified them !
Christ died for the ungodly so that whosoever would come to Jesus might be saved.

John 3:17
For God sent not his Son into the world to condemn the world; but that the world through him might be saved.
 

Hoping

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Yes if Christ died for them. Christ washed away their blaspheming God along with the rest of their sins. Christ Justifies the ungodly ! Christ died while the elect were ungodly correct ? Look at Rom 5:6
Jesus will wash away their sins when they are baptized in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins. (Acts 2:38)
Until that event, (which is after their repentance from sin), they are still unGodly.
For when we were yet without strength, in due time Christ died for the ungodly. His death Justified them !
He died 2000 years before I turned from sin, got baptized, and received the gift of the Holy Ghost.
Twenty years ago, I was as doomed as the other unbelievers.
 

beloved57

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Jesus will wash away their sins when they are baptized in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins. (Acts 2:38)
Until that event, (which is after their repentance from sin), they are still unGodly.

He died 2000 years before I turned from sin, got baptized, and received the gift of the Holy Ghost.
Twenty years ago, I was as doomed as the other unbelievers.
Wrong Jesus washed away their sins at the Cross, He purged them away Heb 1:3

3 Who being the brightness of his glory, and the express image of his person, and upholding all things by the word of his power, when he had by himself purged our sins, sat down on the right hand of the Majesty on high:
 

marke

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Wrong Jesus washed away their sins at the Cross, He purged them away Heb 1:3

3 Who being the brightness of his glory, and the express image of his person, and upholding all things by the word of his power, when he had by himself purged our sins, sat down on the right hand of the Majesty on high:
Jesus died for the sins of the world, saves those who repent of sins and come to Him for forgiveness, and is now seated at God's right hand having purged us of our sins who believe on Him.
 

beloved57

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Jesus died for the sins of the world, saves those who repent of sins and come to Him for forgiveness, and is now seated at God's right hand having purged us of our sins who believe on Him.
Those who Jesus died for, He purged away their sins Heb 1:3 so anyone who dies in their sins, its impossible for Christ to have died for them.
 

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Those who Jesus died for, He purged away their sins Heb 1:3 so anyone who dies in their sins, its impossible for Christ to have died for them.

Putting the cart before the horse.
 

marke

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Those who Jesus died for, He purged away their sins Heb 1:3 so anyone who dies in their sins, its impossible for Christ to have died for them.
Don't be stupid. Just because you mistakenly think Jesus could not possibly have died for any sinners He would not later save does not mean you correctly understand the Bible.

2 Peter 2:1
But there were false prophets also among the people, even as there shall be false teachers among you, who privily shall bring in damnable heresies, even denying the Lord that bought them, and bring upon themselves swift destruction.
 

Hoping

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Wrong Jesus washed away their sins at the Cross, He purged them away Heb 1:3

3 Who being the brightness of his glory, and the express image of his person, and upholding all things by the word of his power, when he had by himself purged our sins, sat down on the right hand of the Majesty on high:
But people aren't on the cross with Christ for their purging until they are water baptized into Christ, and into His death and burial. (Rom 6:3-4)
"Know ye not, that so many of us as were baptized into Jesus Christ were baptized into his death?
4 Therefore we are buried with him by baptism into death: that like as Christ was raised up from the dead by the glory of the Father, even so we also should walk in newness of life." (Rom 6:3-4)
 

Hoping

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Those who Jesus died for, He purged away their sins Heb 1:3 so anyone who dies in their sins, its impossible for Christ to have died for them.
Christ did die for them, but their refusal to submit to Him nullifies any good thing they could have participated in.
 

beloved57

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Christ did die for them, but their refusal to submit to Him nullifies any good thing they could have participated in.
Thats false, When Christ died for them, it purged away their sins, it has nothing to do with what they do or dont do ! Its what Christ did friend Heb 1:3

3 Who being the brightness of his glory, and the express image of his person, and upholding all things by the word of his power, when he had by himself purged our sins, sat down on the right hand of the Majesty on high:

Ecc 3:14

I know that, whatsoever God doeth, it shall be for ever: nothing can be put to it, nor any thing taken from it:
and God doeth it, that men should fear before him.
 

Hoping

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Thats false, When Christ died for them, it purged away their sins, it has nothing to do with what they do or dont do ! Its what Christ did friend Heb 1:3

3 Who being the brightness of his glory, and the express image of his person, and upholding all things by the word of his power, when he had by himself purged our sins, sat down on the right hand of the Majesty on high:

Ecc 3:14

I know that, whatsoever God doeth, it shall be for ever: nothing can be put to it, nor any thing taken from it:
and God doeth it, that men should fear before him.
The "purging" is available to all men, but not all men want it, as it requires something on our part.
 

beloved57

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The "purging" is available to all men, but not all men want it, as it requires something on our part.
Thats a false statement. Christ purged away the sins of them He died for, thats a fact. It doesnt matter if they wanted it or not, it was done for Gods Glory !
 

marke

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Thats a false statement. Christ purged away the sins of them He died for, thats a fact. It doesnt matter if they wanted it or not, it was done for Gods Glory !
Christ purged the sins of believers and took away the sin of the world. Those who deny those facts are unbelievers.
John 1:29
The next day John seeth Jesus coming unto him, and saith, Behold the Lamb of God, which taketh away the sin of the world.
 

Hoping

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Thats a false statement.
I don't agree that we have no part to play in our own conversion and salvation.
Christ purged away the sins of them He died for, thats a fact. It doesnt matter if they wanted it or not, it was done for Gods Glory !
I do agree with that, but not all men will serve God, (or anybody besides themselves)
If we refuse to submit to God, it can't be considered a conversion, and the unconverted will not be saved on the day of judgement.
 

beloved57

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I don't agree that we have no part to play in our own conversion and salvation.

I do agree with that, but not all men will serve God, (or anybody besides themselves)
If we refuse to submit to God, it can't be considered a conversion, and the unconverted will not be saved on the day of judgement.
Men refusing to serve, honor, worship God their Creator is nothing but sin, and for them Christ died for, He purged them from their sins, He put their sins away Heb 9:26

For then must he often have suffered since the foundation of the world: but now once in the end of the world hath he appeared to put away sin by the sacrifice of himself.

Heb 1:3

3 Who being the brightness of his glory, and the express image of his person, and upholding all things by the word of his power, when he had by himself purged our sins, sat down on the right hand of the Majesty on high:
 

marke

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Men refusing to serve, honor, worship God their Creator is nothing but sin, and for them Christ died for, He purged them from their sins, He put their sins away Heb 9:26

For then must he often have suffered since the foundation of the world: but now once in the end of the world hath he appeared to put away sin by the sacrifice of himself.

Heb 1:3

3 Who being the brightness of his glory, and the express image of his person, and upholding all things by the word of his power, when he had by himself purged our sins, sat down on the right hand of the Majesty on high:
After Jesus took away the sin of the world and reconciled the world unto God He sat down on the right hand of God to wait until all His enemies will be destroyed.

John 1:29
The next day John seeth Jesus coming unto him, and saith, Behold the Lamb of God, which taketh away the sin of the world.
2 Corinthians 5:19
To wit, that God was in Christ, reconciling the world unto himself, not imputing their trespasses unto them; and hath committed unto us the word of reconciliation.
 

Hoping

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Men refusing to serve, honor, worship God their Creator is nothing but sin,
Agreed, and love for sin above a love for God.
and for them Christ died for,
He did die for them, if they too will die "in Christ". (Rom 6:3-5..." Know ye not, that so many of us as were baptized into Jesus Christ were baptized into his death?
4 Therefore we are buried with him by baptism into death: that like as Christ was raised up from the dead by the glory of the Father, even so we also should walk in newness of life.
5 For if we have been planted together in the likeness of his death, we shall be also in the likeness of his resurrection:")
If men are not planted together with Him, they won't be raised together with Him.
He purged them from their sins, He put their sins away Heb 9:26
Agreed, if they will turn from sin and get baptized into His death and burial so they can be raised together with Him.
For then must he often have suffered since the foundation of the world: but now once in the end of the world hath he appeared to put away sin by the sacrifice of himself.
This is about other things, like "the unrepentant trying again".
Heb 1:3
3 Who being the brightness of his glory, and the express image of his person, and upholding all things by the word of his power, when he had by himself purged our sins, sat down on the right hand of the Majesty on high:
Agreed, as there is no one else we are to be baptized into using His name for the remission of past sins. (Acts 2:38)
 
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