Who Justifieth the Ungodly

7djengo7

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What Paul is saying, is that by Christ death, which was by the Grace of God Heb 2:9, those Christ died for were made Righteous or Justified Rom 5:19

Justified WHEN, though?

No one was ever justified before he/she believed the gospel. Remember: Salvation is by grace THROUGH faith, and not BEFORE faith.
 

beloved57

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Justified by the Faith of Jesus Christ !

Gal 2:16

Knowing that a man is not justified by the works of the law, but by the faith of Jesus Christ, even we have believed in Jesus Christ, that we might be justified by the faith of Christ, and not by the works of the law: for by the works of the law shall no flesh be justified.

We are justified by the faith of Christ, not by our faith in Christ, but by the faith and faithful obedience of Christ himself unto death as our Surety. Rom 5:19

19 For as by one man's disobedience many were made sinners, so by the obedience of one shall many be made righteous.

His obedience here does imply His faithfulness, adherence to His Covenant engagement, this obedience/faitfulness results in many being made righteous, or Justified. So we are first and foremost Justified by the faithfulness of Christ as stated in Gal 2:16 !
 

beloved57

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When we understand that we are Justified before God by Christs faithful obedience, the faith of Christ, then we avoid the pitfall that has snared many, that is, if we are Justified before God because of our faith, whether it be natural faith, or regenerated faith, then we make Justification before God to be by what we do, instead of by what Christ did. To propose, or indicate in any means that our works, or even our faith/believing, had anything at all to do with making us righteous before God for justification is to deny the Gospel of Gods Grace entirely.
 

marke

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When we understand that we are Justified before God by Christs faithful obedience, the faith of Christ, then we avoid the pitfall that has snared many, that is, if we are Justified before God because of our faith, whether it be natural faith, or regenerated faith, then we make Justification before God to be by what we do, instead of by what Christ did. To propose, or indicate in any means that our works, or even our faith/believing, had anything at all to do with making us righteous before God for justification is to deny the Gospel of Gods Grace entirely.
We know God justifies the wicked but we also know God does not justify the wicked alone but requires a response from the wicked before He is willing to justify them.

Exodus 23:7
Keep thee far from a false matter; and the innocent and righteous slay thou not: for I will not justify the wicked.

Galatians 3:8
And the scripture, foreseeing that God would justify the heathen through faith, preached before the gospel unto Abraham, saying, In thee shall all nations be blessed.

James 2:23-25​

King James Version​

23 And the scripture was fulfilled which saith, Abraham believed God, and it was imputed unto him for righteousness: and he was called the Friend of God.​

24 Ye see then how that by works a man is justified, and not by faith only.​

25 Likewise also was not Rahab the harlot justified by works, when she had received the messengers, and had sent them out another way?​

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Calvinists must assume God made Abraham believe and God made Rahab hide the spies, but the Bible does not teach that God makes humans do things as thought humans are incapable of doing anything of their own free will.​

 
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beloved57

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We know God justifies the wicked but we also know God does not justify the wicked alone but requires a response from the wicked before He is willing to justify them.

Exodus 23:7
Keep thee far from a false matter; and the innocent and righteous slay thou not: for I will not justify the wicked.

Galatians 3:8
And the scripture, foreseeing that God would justify the heathen through faith, preached before the gospel unto Abraham, saying, In thee shall all nations be blessed.

James 2:23-25​

King James Version​

23 And the scripture was fulfilled which saith, Abraham believed God, and it was imputed unto him for righteousness: and he was called the Friend of God.​

24 Ye see then how that by works a man is justified, and not by faith only.​

25 Likewise also was not Rahab the harlot justified by works, when she had received the messengers, and had sent them out another way?​

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Calvinists must assume God made Abraham believe and God made Rahab hide the spies, but the Bible does not teach that God makes humans do things as thought humans are incapable of doing anything of their own free will.​

Posts 802, 803 did you understand the points I made with scripture ? Do you want to discuss them ?
 

beloved57

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We know God justifies the wicked but we also know God does not justify the wicked alone but requires a response from the wicked before He is willing to justify them.

Exodus 23:7
Keep thee far from a false matter; and the innocent and righteous slay thou not: for I will not justify the wicked.

Galatians 3:8
And the scripture, foreseeing that God would justify the heathen through faith, preached before the gospel unto Abraham, saying, In thee shall all nations be blessed.

James 2:23-25​

King James Version​

23 And the scripture was fulfilled which saith, Abraham believed God, and it was imputed unto him for righteousness: and he was called the Friend of God.​

24 Ye see then how that by works a man is justified, and not by faith only.​

25 Likewise also was not Rahab the harlot justified by works, when she had received the messengers, and had sent them out another way?​

+++++++++++++++++++

Calvinists must assume God made Abraham believe and God made Rahab hide the spies, but the Bible does not teach that God makes humans do things as thought humans are incapable of doing anything of their own free will.​

What does the words Faith of Christ mean ?
 
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