Nuff said, lol
ECT Where is the Kingdom of God?
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Nuff said, lol
Jerry Shugart
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Of course you call the Bible "damned" because it declares that your ideas are in error.
Now, once again, please quote Peter's words from Acts 2 where he preached the "purpose" of the Lord Jesus' death upon the Cross.
God's Truth
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Peter preached Jesus died for our sins.
Acts 2:38 Peter replied, “Repent and be baptized, every one of you, in the name of Jesus Christ for the forgiveness of your sins. And you will receive the gift of the Holy Spirit.
...and that Jesus was raised from the dead.
Acts 5:31 God exalted him to his own right hand as Prince and Savior that he might bring Israel to repentance and forgive their sins.
...and that we have to believe in Jesus.
Acts 10:43 All the prophets testify about him that everyone who believes in him receives forgiveness of sins through his name.”
Peter
He himself bore our sins in his body on the tree, so that we might die to sins and live for righteousness; by his wounds you have been healed. 1 Peter 2:24.
Peter preached Jesus dying for our sins.
1 Peter 1:19
but with the precious blood of Christ, a lamb without blemish or defect.
Paul AND PETER call it the Gospel of God.
1 Peter 4:17 For it is time for judgment to begin with God’s household; and if it begins with us, what will the outcome be for those who do not obey the gospel of God?
Romans 1:1 Paul, a servant of Christ Jesus, called to be an apostle and set apart for the gospel of God—
Bait away, fool.
God's Truth
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Don't you know what a sacrificial lamb is?
John the FORERUNNER of Jesus said Jesus is the LAMB OF GOD WHO TAKES AWAY SINS.
John 1:9 The next day John saw Jesus coming toward him and said, "Look, the Lamb of God, who takes away the sin of the world!
John 1:29 The next day John saw Jesus coming toward him and said, "Look, the Lamb of God, who takes away the sin of the world!
John 1:36 When he saw Jesus passing by, he said, "Look, the Lamb of God!"
God's Truth
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Luke 24:44 He said to them, “This is what I told you while I was still with you: Everything must be fulfilled that is written about me in the Law of Moses, the Prophets and the Psalms.”
Jesus said he told them while he was still with them. He said he told them THAT IT WAS WRITTEN that the MESSIAH will suffer and rise from the dead and repentance for the forgiveness of sins.
Luke 24:46 He told them, “This is what is written: The Messiah will suffer and rise from the dead on the third day, 47 and repentance for the forgiveness of sins will be preached in his name to all nations, beginning at Jerusalem.
Interplanner
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Good work, God'sT, the same as I quoted.
JerryS: if that message is not there, what do you gain? What message is there?
JerryS: if that message is not there, what do you gain? What message is there?
Interplanner
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Peter says the purposes were
the victory over death
the transfer of Israel/David's promises to Christ, which the resurrection proves
the proof of forgiveness on a just basis because raising Christ means he was perfect and sinless
the victory over death
the transfer of Israel/David's promises to Christ, which the resurrection proves
the proof of forgiveness on a just basis because raising Christ means he was perfect and sinless
Jerry Shugart
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The OT will be searched in vain for the truth that believers are " justified freely by his grace through the redemption that is in Christ Jesus" (Ro.3:24).
Nothing is said there that ties his suffering to the fact that believers are "justified freely by his grace through the redemption that is in Christ Jesus."
There is nothing there which ties His death and resurrection to the fact that believers are "justified freely by his grace through the redemption that is in Christ Jesus."
In fact, even the prophets did not even understand the significance of the Lord's suffering:
"Of which salvation the prophets have enquired and searched diligently, who prophesied of the grace that should come unto you: Searching what, or what manner of time the Spirit of Christ which was in them did signify, when it testified beforehand the sufferings of Christ, and the glory that should follow. Unto whom it was revealed, that not unto themselves, but unto us they did minister the things, which are now reported unto you by them that have preached the gospel unto you with the Holy Spirit sent down from heaven" (1 Pet.1:10-1).
Here Peter is saying that the prophets searched diligently in an effort to determine what the prophecies concerning Christ's suffering did signify but it was not revealed unto them. Even the Twelve Apostles, those closest to the Lord Jesus, did not realize that He was going to die (Lk.18:31-34) until shortly before the Cross. They certainly did not know the "purpose" of the Cross, that believers are ""justified freely by his grace through the redemption that is in Christ Jesus."
Roger M. Raymer writes:
"Concerning this salvation (cf. 'salvation' in vv. 5, 9) the prophets...searched intently and with the greatest care their own Spirit-guided writings. They longed to participate in this salvation and coming period of grace and tried to discover the appointed time and circumstances to which the Spirit of Christ in them was pointing. The pondered how the glorious Messiah could be involved in suffering" (Walvoord & Zuck, The Bible Knowledge Commentary; New Testament [ChariotVictor Publishing, 1983], p.842).
SaulToPaul 2
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Jerry Shugart
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Please quote Pater at Acts 2 where he tied the "purpose" of the Lord Jesus' death upon the Cross to any blessing enjoyed by believers.
You do know what the word "quote" means, don't you?
Jerry Shugart
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if John was referring to what would happen at the Cross then why did he use the "present" tense?
Cross Reference
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I would. Unless one does something with that bit of knowledge, how can there be salvation for him?? Isn't the purpose for the knowledge, understanding to be acted upon?
Jerry Shugart
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I do not need your help and besides that you are clueless about this subject. You prove that you sare clueless because you are unable to tell us the "good news" of what is in "bold" here:
"But contrariwise, when they saw that the gospel of the uncircumcision was committed unto me, as the gospel of the circumcision was unto Peter" (Gal.2:7).
Why do you not tell us what Peter said when he preached the "gospel of the uncircumcisiom"?
You really do not know!
Much as I'd love to oblige you as to this passage or any other, either for, or against your "understanding," I will refrain, as both your motive and your approach, are wrong.
achduke
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The Goat for the Lord is the one that is slaughtered for sin. The scapegoat is sent into the wilderness.
Leviticus 16:8 He is to cast lots for the two goats—one lot for the Lord and the other for the scapegoat.
Leviticus 16:10 But the goat chosen by lot as the scapegoat shall be presented alive before the Lord to be used for making atonement by sending it into the wilderness as a scapegoat.
Leviticus 16:15 “He shall then slaughter the goat for the sin offering for the people and take its blood behind the curtain and do with it as he did with the bull’s blood: He shall sprinkle it on the atonement cover and in front of it.
Jerry Shugart
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Those who believe that Jesus is the Christ, the Son of God, receive life when they are born of God:
"But these are written, that ye might believe that Jesus is the Christ, the Son of God; and that believing ye might have life through his name" (Jn.20:31).
"Whosoever believeth that Jesus is the Christ is born of God: and every one that loveth him that begat loveth him also that is begotten of him. By this we know that we love the children of God, when we love God, and keep his commandments. For this is the love of God, that we keep his commandments: and his commandments are not grievous. For whatsoever is born of God overcometh the world: and this is the victory that overcometh the world, even our faith. Who is he that overcometh the world, but he that believeth that Jesus is the Son of God?" (1 Jn.5:1-5).
SaulToPaul 2
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The scapegoat takes away the sins.
Leviticus 16:21 And Aaron shall lay both his hands upon the head of the live goat, and confess over him all the iniquities of the children of Israel, and all their transgressions in all their sins, putting them upon the head of the goat, and shall send him away by the hand of a fit man into the wilderness:
Leviticus 16:22 And the goat shall bear upon him all their iniquities unto a land not inhabited: and he shall let go the goat in the wilderness.
Shall I say, "as far as the east is from the west".
Jerry Shugart
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You question my motive even though anyone reading this thread can see that the only motive you have displayed is an attempt to assassinate my character. I will no longer respond to anything which you say.