ECT Where is the Kingdom of God?
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You mean the Gospel of the Kingdom of God, I think. There's a few times when Jesus said it that way. It is, however, proof that there is one gospel rather than two messages or a program that was to set up a Judaism-based state.
Do you look for things/expressions on https://www.biblegateway.com/quicksearch/?quicksearch=it+is+too+small+&qs_version=NIV ?
Good tool to know.
Do you look for things/expressions on https://www.biblegateway.com/quicksearch/?quicksearch=it+is+too+small+&qs_version=NIV ?
Good tool to know.
achduke
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That is the kingdom I am talking about but I wanted to see where everyone thinks the kingdom is located.
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The expression means the "reign" of God or Christ. It is wherever his subjects are.
Hi and Gal 2:7 PROVES that there are FOUR gospels At least , but there are more !!
Today there is only one Gospel , called the Gospel of Grace !!
In Gal 2:7 it is called the Gospel of " THE UNCIRCUMCISION given to Paul also called the Dispensation of the Grace of God , Col 1:25-27 !!
The in Gal 2:7 Peter was given " THE CIRCUMCISION " and He preached what Jesus Preached the Kingdom of Heaven , Matt 4:17 and Acts 2:38 !!
Paul never preached the Kingdom of Heaven not did he Water Baptize !!
The Greek article " THE " separates 'THE " Uncircumcision FROM :THE " Circumcision >
The Other 2 Gospels are found in Gal 3:8 and in Rev 14:6 called the Everlasting Gospel , on of Judgment !!
dan p
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No on four gospels. Or, anathema on the other three, as Gal 1 says.
achduke
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Where do the believers of the Gospel of the uncircumcised go if not to the Kingdom of God?
KINGDOM OF GOD (INSIDE YOURSELF)
John 6:63
63 "It is the Spirit who gives life; the flesh profits nothing. The words that I speak to you are spirit, and they are life.
Rom 14:17
17 for the kingdom of God is not eating and drinking, but righteousness and peace and joy in the Holy Spirit.
Acts 14:22
22 strengthening the souls of the disciples, exhorting them to continue in the faith, and saying, "We must through many tribulations enter the kingdom of God."
Matt 6:33-34
33 "But seek first the kingdom of God and His righteousness, and all these things shall be added to you.
Acts 17:24-25
24 "God, who made the world and everything in it, since He is Lord of heaven and earth, does not dwell in temples made with hands.
25 "Nor is He worshiped with men's hands, as though He needed anything, since He gives to all life, breath, and all things.
John 4:23-24
23 "But the hour is coming, and now is, when the true worshipers will worship the Father in spirit and truth; for the Father is seeking such to worship Him.
24 "God is Spirit, and those who worship Him must worship in spirit and truth."
Luke 17:20-21
20 Now when He was asked by the Pharisees when the kingdom of God would come, He answered them and said, "The kingdom of God does not come with observation;
21 "nor will they say, 'See here!' or 'See there!' For indeed, the kingdom of God is within you."
Mark 10:15
15 "Assuredly, I say to you, whoever does not receive the kingdom of God as a little child will by no means enter it.
Matt 12:25
25 But Jesus knew their thoughts, and said to them: "Every kingdom divided against itself is brought to desolation, and every city or house divided against itself will not stand.
Matt 12:28
28 "But if I cast out demons by the Spirit of God, surely the kingdom of God has come upon you.
Matt 8:12
12 "But the sons of the kingdom will be cast out into outer darkness. There will be weeping and gnashing of teeth."
Mark 1:15
15 and saying, "The time is fulfilled, and the kingdom of God is at hand. Repent, and believe in the gospel."
James 4:7-8
7 Therefore submit to God. Resist the devil and he will flee from you.
8 Draw near to God and He will draw near to you. Cleanse your hands, you sinners; and purify your hearts, you double-minded.
Luke 1:50
50 And His mercy is on those who fear Him from generation to generation.
Rev 19:5
5 Then a voice came from the throne, saying, "Praise our God, all you His servants and those who fear Him, both small and great!"
Luke 12:5
5 "But I will show you whom you should fear: Fear Him who, after He has killed, has power to cast into hell; yes, I say to you, fear Him!
Heb 10:29-31
29 Of how much worse punishment, do you suppose, will he be thought worthy who has trampled the Son of God underfoot, counted the blood of the covenant by which he was sanctified a common thing, and insulted the Spirit of grace?
30 For we know Him who said, "Vengeance is Mine; I will repay," says the Lord. And again, "The Lord will judge His people."
31 It is a fearful thing to fall into the hands of the living God.
John 3:5-7
5 Jesus answered, "Most assuredly, I say to you, unless one is born of water and the Spirit, he cannot enter the kingdom of God.
6 "That which is born of the flesh is flesh, and that which is born of the Spirit is spirit.
7 "Do not marvel that I said to you, 'You must be born again.'
2 Cor 3:5-6
5 Not that we are sufficient of ourselves to think of anything as being from ourselves, but our sufficiency is from God,
6 who also made us sufficient as ministers of the new covenant, not of the letter but of the Spirit; for the letter kills, but the Spirit gives life.
John 14:26
26 "But the Helper, the Holy Spirit, whom the Father will send in My name, He will teach you all things, and bring to your remembrance all things that I said to you.
51 "You stiffnecked and uncircumcised in heart and ears! You always resist the Holy Spirit; as your fathers did, so do you.
Rom 8:2
2 For the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus has made me free from the law of sin and death.
2 Cor 10:3-5
3 For though we walk in the flesh, we do not war according to the flesh.
4 For the weapons of our warfare are not carnal but mighty in God for pulling down strongholds,
5 casting down arguments and every high thing that exalts itself against the knowledge of God, bringing every thought into captivity to the obedience of Christ,
Rom 8:5-8
5 For those who live according to the flesh set their minds on the things of the flesh, but those who live according to the Spirit, the things of the Spirit.
6 For to be carnally minded is death, but to be spiritually minded is life and peace.
7 Because the carnal mind is enmity against God; for it is not subject to the law of God, nor indeed can be.
8 So then, those who are in the flesh cannot please God.
Mark 10:23-25
23 Then Jesus looked around and said to His disciples, "How hard it is for those who have riches to enter the kingdom of God!"
24 And the disciples were astonished at His words. But Jesus answered again and said to them, "Children, how hard it is for those who trust in riches to enter the kingdom of God!
25 "It is easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle than for a rich man to enter the kingdom of God."
Col 1:13-14
13 He has delivered us from the power of darkness and conveyed us into the kingdom of the Son of His love,
14 in whom we have redemption through His blood, the forgiveness of sins.
Matt 8:12
12 "But the sons of the kingdom will be cast out into outer darkness. There will be weeping and gnashing of teeth."
1 Pet 5:10
10 But may the God of all grace, who called us to His eternal glory by Christ Jesus, after you have suffered a while, perfect, establish, strengthen, and settle you.
2 Pet 1:10-11
10 Therefore, brethren, be even more diligent to make your call and election sure, for if you do these things you will never stumble;
11 for so an entrance will be supplied to you abundantly into the everlasting kingdom of our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ.
(NKJ)
xxx The kingdom of God and the kingdom of heaven are different. Many people have as yet not entered the kingdom of God. And yet they still hold to their carnality and try to explain the Word of God with the wisdom of man. One needs to enter the kingdom of God to even be sanctified(the washing of water by the Word). One should understand that the kingdom of God is inside you. Where you will go through all the tests of crucifing the flesh(outer person) with all of its emotions & feelings. You can only enter by being led by the Holy Spirit(verses). But there are those who abide in the milk and worship in the flesh(according to their feelings & emotions) which is a deception in itself. To get into the meat(verses) one has to know the difference between the milk and the meat. And you can only find that in the meat.
Luke 9:62
62 But Jesus said to him, "No one, having put his hand to the plow, and looking back, is fit for the kingdom of God."
(NKJ)
Luke 18:17
17 "Assuredly, I say to you, whoever does not receive the kingdom of God as a little child will by no means enter it."
(NKJ)
Matt 6:9-13
9 "In this manner, therefore, pray: our Father in heaven, hallowed be Your name.
10 Your kingdom come. Your will be done on earth as it is in heaven.
11 Give us this day our daily bread.
12 And forgive us our debts, as we forgive our debtors.
13 And do not lead us into temptation, but deliver us from the evil one. For Yours is the kingdom and the power and the glory forever. Amen.
(NKJ)
Luke 13:18-21
18 Then He said, "What is the kingdom of God like? And to what shall I compare it?
19 "It is like a mustard seed, which a man took and put in his garden; and it grew and became a large tree, and the birds of the air nested in its branches."
20 And again He said, "To what shall I liken the kingdom of God?
21 "It is like leaven, which a woman took and hid in three measures of meal till it was all leavened."
(NKJ)
John 6:63
63 "It is the Spirit who gives life; the flesh profits nothing. The words that I speak to you are spirit, and they are life.
Rom 14:17
17 for the kingdom of God is not eating and drinking, but righteousness and peace and joy in the Holy Spirit.
Acts 14:22
22 strengthening the souls of the disciples, exhorting them to continue in the faith, and saying, "We must through many tribulations enter the kingdom of God."
Matt 6:33-34
33 "But seek first the kingdom of God and His righteousness, and all these things shall be added to you.
Acts 17:24-25
24 "God, who made the world and everything in it, since He is Lord of heaven and earth, does not dwell in temples made with hands.
25 "Nor is He worshiped with men's hands, as though He needed anything, since He gives to all life, breath, and all things.
John 4:23-24
23 "But the hour is coming, and now is, when the true worshipers will worship the Father in spirit and truth; for the Father is seeking such to worship Him.
24 "God is Spirit, and those who worship Him must worship in spirit and truth."
Luke 17:20-21
20 Now when He was asked by the Pharisees when the kingdom of God would come, He answered them and said, "The kingdom of God does not come with observation;
21 "nor will they say, 'See here!' or 'See there!' For indeed, the kingdom of God is within you."
Mark 10:15
15 "Assuredly, I say to you, whoever does not receive the kingdom of God as a little child will by no means enter it.
Matt 12:25
25 But Jesus knew their thoughts, and said to them: "Every kingdom divided against itself is brought to desolation, and every city or house divided against itself will not stand.
Matt 12:28
28 "But if I cast out demons by the Spirit of God, surely the kingdom of God has come upon you.
Matt 8:12
12 "But the sons of the kingdom will be cast out into outer darkness. There will be weeping and gnashing of teeth."
Mark 1:15
15 and saying, "The time is fulfilled, and the kingdom of God is at hand. Repent, and believe in the gospel."
James 4:7-8
7 Therefore submit to God. Resist the devil and he will flee from you.
8 Draw near to God and He will draw near to you. Cleanse your hands, you sinners; and purify your hearts, you double-minded.
Luke 1:50
50 And His mercy is on those who fear Him from generation to generation.
Rev 19:5
5 Then a voice came from the throne, saying, "Praise our God, all you His servants and those who fear Him, both small and great!"
Luke 12:5
5 "But I will show you whom you should fear: Fear Him who, after He has killed, has power to cast into hell; yes, I say to you, fear Him!
Heb 10:29-31
29 Of how much worse punishment, do you suppose, will he be thought worthy who has trampled the Son of God underfoot, counted the blood of the covenant by which he was sanctified a common thing, and insulted the Spirit of grace?
30 For we know Him who said, "Vengeance is Mine; I will repay," says the Lord. And again, "The Lord will judge His people."
31 It is a fearful thing to fall into the hands of the living God.
John 3:5-7
5 Jesus answered, "Most assuredly, I say to you, unless one is born of water and the Spirit, he cannot enter the kingdom of God.
6 "That which is born of the flesh is flesh, and that which is born of the Spirit is spirit.
7 "Do not marvel that I said to you, 'You must be born again.'
2 Cor 3:5-6
5 Not that we are sufficient of ourselves to think of anything as being from ourselves, but our sufficiency is from God,
6 who also made us sufficient as ministers of the new covenant, not of the letter but of the Spirit; for the letter kills, but the Spirit gives life.
John 14:26
26 "But the Helper, the Holy Spirit, whom the Father will send in My name, He will teach you all things, and bring to your remembrance all things that I said to you.
51 "You stiffnecked and uncircumcised in heart and ears! You always resist the Holy Spirit; as your fathers did, so do you.
Rom 8:2
2 For the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus has made me free from the law of sin and death.
2 Cor 10:3-5
3 For though we walk in the flesh, we do not war according to the flesh.
4 For the weapons of our warfare are not carnal but mighty in God for pulling down strongholds,
5 casting down arguments and every high thing that exalts itself against the knowledge of God, bringing every thought into captivity to the obedience of Christ,
Rom 8:5-8
5 For those who live according to the flesh set their minds on the things of the flesh, but those who live according to the Spirit, the things of the Spirit.
6 For to be carnally minded is death, but to be spiritually minded is life and peace.
7 Because the carnal mind is enmity against God; for it is not subject to the law of God, nor indeed can be.
8 So then, those who are in the flesh cannot please God.
Mark 10:23-25
23 Then Jesus looked around and said to His disciples, "How hard it is for those who have riches to enter the kingdom of God!"
24 And the disciples were astonished at His words. But Jesus answered again and said to them, "Children, how hard it is for those who trust in riches to enter the kingdom of God!
25 "It is easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle than for a rich man to enter the kingdom of God."
Col 1:13-14
13 He has delivered us from the power of darkness and conveyed us into the kingdom of the Son of His love,
14 in whom we have redemption through His blood, the forgiveness of sins.
Matt 8:12
12 "But the sons of the kingdom will be cast out into outer darkness. There will be weeping and gnashing of teeth."
1 Pet 5:10
10 But may the God of all grace, who called us to His eternal glory by Christ Jesus, after you have suffered a while, perfect, establish, strengthen, and settle you.
2 Pet 1:10-11
10 Therefore, brethren, be even more diligent to make your call and election sure, for if you do these things you will never stumble;
11 for so an entrance will be supplied to you abundantly into the everlasting kingdom of our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ.
(NKJ)
xxx The kingdom of God and the kingdom of heaven are different. Many people have as yet not entered the kingdom of God. And yet they still hold to their carnality and try to explain the Word of God with the wisdom of man. One needs to enter the kingdom of God to even be sanctified(the washing of water by the Word). One should understand that the kingdom of God is inside you. Where you will go through all the tests of crucifing the flesh(outer person) with all of its emotions & feelings. You can only enter by being led by the Holy Spirit(verses). But there are those who abide in the milk and worship in the flesh(according to their feelings & emotions) which is a deception in itself. To get into the meat(verses) one has to know the difference between the milk and the meat. And you can only find that in the meat.
Luke 9:62
62 But Jesus said to him, "No one, having put his hand to the plow, and looking back, is fit for the kingdom of God."
(NKJ)
Luke 18:17
17 "Assuredly, I say to you, whoever does not receive the kingdom of God as a little child will by no means enter it."
(NKJ)
Matt 6:9-13
9 "In this manner, therefore, pray: our Father in heaven, hallowed be Your name.
10 Your kingdom come. Your will be done on earth as it is in heaven.
11 Give us this day our daily bread.
12 And forgive us our debts, as we forgive our debtors.
13 And do not lead us into temptation, but deliver us from the evil one. For Yours is the kingdom and the power and the glory forever. Amen.
(NKJ)
Luke 13:18-21
18 Then He said, "What is the kingdom of God like? And to what shall I compare it?
19 "It is like a mustard seed, which a man took and put in his garden; and it grew and became a large tree, and the birds of the air nested in its branches."
20 And again He said, "To what shall I liken the kingdom of God?
21 "It is like leaven, which a woman took and hid in three measures of meal till it was all leavened."
(NKJ)
Hi and you can not not prove it wrong and all you can say " IT is wrong " and is dumb !!:rotfl::rotfl:
DUMB it is !!
dan p
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achduke
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Hi Dan P. I believe there is only one gospel at this time and it was always about Grace. Where do you think believers go in the end times?
Hi , and here is the what I see !!
#1 , We are in the Dispensation of the Grace of God ! Col 1:25-27 !!
#2 , Next we believers in the Body of Christ are taken up !! 1 Thess 4:13-18 !!
#3 , God will again deal with Israel , Rom 11:26 , AFTER the fulness of thr Gentiles become in Rom 11:25 .
#4 , The Great Tribulation ( 7 years ) will begain , Acts 2:17-21 !!
#5 , Israel will be saved Matt 24 !!
#6 The New Covenant will begin as recorded in Ezrk 36 :24-38 !!
#7 , The Kingdom of Heaven ( 1000 years ) will begin !!
#8 Israel will become a Kingdom of Kings and Priests , Rev 1:^ !!
#9 Than , what is the Dispensation of FULNESS OF TIMES , Eph 1:10 !!
Take it to the bank !!
dan p
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re #2.
That Thess material was linked to what happened in the 1st century Judea; the man of sin of Dan 8-9 came to the temple with self-deifying declarations. But places like Mt 24B, Mk 13 and 2 Pet 3 also allowed for a delay before the judgement of all men. I don't know now why the 'taking up' would have the same function. But obviously believers who are alive to the last moment will be changed differently than those who already died; but what does it matter? We are either one or the other.
#3
This is not what Rom 11 is saying. it is not a prediction, it is prodding the Jews to get into God's mission. If you read the OT passages quoted and read to 11:30, you'll see that he is not predicting. There is no need for anything else to happen in Israel as such that was not completed by 70AD.
#4
That Joel material was expected very quickly after Pentecost. It is one unified vision. It is about the judgement on Israel which was in that generation. Peter's appeal is real; by becoming Christians they could save themselves the horrible passage through the DofJ.
#5
???
#6
The New Covenant is already in action and motion and succeeding. 2 Cor 3-5. Don't read anything in the OT without the NT quotes and comments on it.
# 7
The kingdom or reign of God has begun. It is said to be in operation as Jesus arrives. In the Rev and other OT passages, 1000 just means a huge length of time. And there is nothing Judaic about it the Rev; check the details.
#8
All believers are a kingdom of priests. ONce again, don't read an OT passage without the NT quote or comment, I Pet 1.
#9
This current age is the Disp of the fulness of times. It is true in Christ. See Col 1, or Heb 9 on the "culmination" of times. If it bothers you that there doesn't seem to be anything future, take heart. There is still 1:21, the age to come. But please notice that v19 is saying that power that already enthroned Christ is greater than anything in this age or the age to come. Let's make sure we are adoring the right thing! V22 is past tense; God place all things under his feet, and he is to be proclaimed that way; otherwise we are not proclaiming the LORD Jesus Christ.
That's bank.
That Thess material was linked to what happened in the 1st century Judea; the man of sin of Dan 8-9 came to the temple with self-deifying declarations. But places like Mt 24B, Mk 13 and 2 Pet 3 also allowed for a delay before the judgement of all men. I don't know now why the 'taking up' would have the same function. But obviously believers who are alive to the last moment will be changed differently than those who already died; but what does it matter? We are either one or the other.
#3
This is not what Rom 11 is saying. it is not a prediction, it is prodding the Jews to get into God's mission. If you read the OT passages quoted and read to 11:30, you'll see that he is not predicting. There is no need for anything else to happen in Israel as such that was not completed by 70AD.
#4
That Joel material was expected very quickly after Pentecost. It is one unified vision. It is about the judgement on Israel which was in that generation. Peter's appeal is real; by becoming Christians they could save themselves the horrible passage through the DofJ.
#5
???
#6
The New Covenant is already in action and motion and succeeding. 2 Cor 3-5. Don't read anything in the OT without the NT quotes and comments on it.
# 7
The kingdom or reign of God has begun. It is said to be in operation as Jesus arrives. In the Rev and other OT passages, 1000 just means a huge length of time. And there is nothing Judaic about it the Rev; check the details.
#8
All believers are a kingdom of priests. ONce again, don't read an OT passage without the NT quote or comment, I Pet 1.
#9
This current age is the Disp of the fulness of times. It is true in Christ. See Col 1, or Heb 9 on the "culmination" of times. If it bothers you that there doesn't seem to be anything future, take heart. There is still 1:21, the age to come. But please notice that v19 is saying that power that already enthroned Christ is greater than anything in this age or the age to come. Let's make sure we are adoring the right thing! V22 is past tense; God place all things under his feet, and he is to be proclaimed that way; otherwise we are not proclaiming the LORD Jesus Christ.
That's bank.
achduke
Active member
Are you prepared in your heart if we all enter the tribulation instead of being taken up first?
My beliefs of end times.
1) All believers are grafted into Israel by faith and grace.
2) This remnant(2 witnesses/bride) will preach the gospel and teach the truth.
3) The new believers(Great Multitude) will be persecuted beheaded for their testimony. The remnant will them be persecuted for their testimony.
4) The remnant will be resurrected(First Fruits). Along with the rest of dead in Christ.
5) Living resurrected or caught up with dead in Christ and the Lord.
6) 1000 year sabbath.
Paul did preach the kingdom of Heaven and he did water baptise
Interplanner
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Dan P,
the grammar on those expressions about uncircs and circs is not modifying a type of gospel. There was one, and Peter caved when he ministered to Jews. He changed it, and Paul's confrontation and the vision of the sheet with animals, and the tongues were meant to straighten him out. Gal 2:8 is clearly worded that there is one singular Gospel and Peter went to one group with it and Paul to another. Which is fine. Until you leave the one Gospel. Which Peter did.
the grammar on those expressions about uncircs and circs is not modifying a type of gospel. There was one, and Peter caved when he ministered to Jews. He changed it, and Paul's confrontation and the vision of the sheet with animals, and the tongues were meant to straighten him out. Gal 2:8 is clearly worded that there is one singular Gospel and Peter went to one group with it and Paul to another. Which is fine. Until you leave the one Gospel. Which Peter did.
achduke
Active member
Peter did not leave the gospel. He was being hypocritical. He was afraid or embarrassed to be seen eating with Gentiles in front of the Jews. God gave him a vision of his error. For what ever God makes clean is clean.
Into Christ.
Interplanner
Well-known member
There is no Gospel of the uncircumcised as though it was different from the other. THis is a misunderstanding and mistranslating of Gal 2:8. Paul went to the uncircs and Peter to the circs WITH THE SAME GOSPEL until Peter later caved-in to Judaism's add-ons.
Once again, someone with a heady, wrong-headed system seizes on one line and ignores the story running in the chapter. Like Mt 24. Mt 23. Rom 11.
Once again, someone with a heady, wrong-headed system seizes on one line and ignores the story running in the chapter. Like Mt 24. Mt 23. Rom 11.
Hi , and during Christ time all OT saints went to Abraham's Bosom as recorded in Luke 16:22 -23 !!
Gal 3:28 explains why there are no Jews or Gentiles in the Body of Christ as they are new creatures , Eph 2:15 !!
dan p
achduke
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Yes but what is the plan for them all in future or end times?