SaulToPaul 2
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He would turn green, and I don't think they allowed people of color in Mayberry.
ECT What is the true root objection to MAD?
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He would turn green, and I don't think they allowed people of color in Mayberry.
SaulToPaul 2
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You can't waste time watching stories on the TV when you're authoring books, saint john.
Go ahead, "expose" me.
Please? Please, Brucie boy?
Whatta ya say, Brucie boy....Would you like a shot, at the title?
Yes, and I reckon he's waiting for his daddy's lawyer, an "Owen Marshall, counselor at law" type, to get him out of the ditch, that he is in.
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Paul is the apostle of the Gentiles (Romans 11:13 KJV) not Peter (Galatians 2:8 KJV). Paul was given the dispensation of the gospel (1 COrinthians 9:17 KJV) and later the dispensation of the grace of God to us Gentiles (Ephesians 3:1-9 KJV)
You don't know what you are talking about. If anyone's causing divisions it's the 30,000+ so called denominations.
The unity of the Spirit is sevenfold and I do endevour to keep it. If you are of one of those denominations you most likely don't.
You're wrong about me 1 Corinthians 1:10 KJV. Rightly dividing the word of truth is not promoting division, but the approved unto God necessary method of study. 2 Timothy 2:15 KJV
I believe all scripture recognizing that while all of the Bible is FOR me, it's certainly not all TO me or ABOUT me.
My view on salvation is simple. Trust the Lord believing 1 Corinthians 15:1-4 KJV and be saved. It is the gospel that is the power of God unto salvation to every one that believeth (Romans 1:16 KJV).
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This means you have nothing substantial to submit.Ok, nice.
you don't consider a neg rep substantial?
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substantial contributes, neg reps aren't contributions by definition. MAN I'm NOT getting on the same page as you this week. Used to not be so bad interpreting your comments.
I'm a failure.
Once again, it's time to "clear the fog" of sophistry, and kindergarten scribble, of rummy's such as Brucie boy, with my brilliant "oratory," and car headlights, since I drive a cool car.
Since many/most fail to recognize the distinctive ministry of his apostle Paul, and rejects the Lord Jesus Christ's commands in this dispensation, as given to the Lord Jesus Christ's chosen vessel, Paul, and refuse to rightly divide the word of truth,and instead read books, articles, statements of faith(SOF), websites,.........as their authority, they have to conclude, being the more mature, spiritual , sweet, caring, loving, "great one(s)", that name calling, "personal attacks......," and all that jazz, causes division. It's called spineless, effeminate Christianity. Bible believers, who do rightly divide the word of truth, understand that the division causer is not the one who identifies/marks/exposes , i.e., name calling, but the one who teaches doctrine that opposes the sound doctrine that was committed to the apostle Paul, who was taught it by revelation from the risen, ascended, glorified, and seated Lord Jesus Christ from heaven, "the Lord from heaven," and not earth.
Christians, per Romans-Philemon's sound doctrine, are to separate in 3 areas:
1. From the world-Romans 12:2 KJV
2. From the "religious" system:2 Cor. 6:14-18 KJV
3. From erring brethren, false teachers, and deceivers. And these are to be marked/exposed/identified-named:
"Now I beseech you, brethren, [B]mark them which cause divisions[/B] and offences contrary to the doctrine which ye have learned; and avoid them.For they that are such serve not our Lord Jesus Christ, but their own belly; and by good words and fair speeches deceive the hearts of the simple." The Holy Bible Romans 16:17-18 KJV
See also in The Holy Bible Gal. 5:7 KJV, Gal. 1:8-9 KJV; 1 Timothy 6:3-5 KJV; 2 Timothy 2:15-21 KJV; Titus 1:9-13 KJV, Titus 3:9-12 KJV; 2 Thes. 3:6-7 KJV, 2 Thes. 2:15 KJV; 2 Cor. 2:1-5 KJV
Sound doctrine, as preached by our apostle Paul, produces health, stable, "stablished" believers with conviction, who live godly. Unsound doctrine produces weak, effeminate, spineless, believers, tossed to and fro, having ungodly behaviour.
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"Now I beseech you, brethren, mark them which cause divisions and offences contrary to the doctrine which ye have learned; and avoid them."- The Holy Bible Romans 16:17 KJV
"Now I beseech you, brethren, by the name of our Lord Jesus Christ, that ye all speak the same thing, and that there be no divisions among you; but that ye be perfectly joined together in the same mind and in the same judgment." The Holy Bible 1 Cor.1:10 KJV
Divisions are caused by not following the doctrine committed to the apostle Paul, by the risen, ascended, glorified Lord Jesus Christ, from heaven, not earth,by revelation, progressively. Paul would desire that all "speak the same thing", and that is the doctrine he taught, preached- "my doctrine"(2 Tim. 3:10 KJV)
The Lord Jesus Christ, through His chosen vessel, in this dispensation,Paul, would have us to know the importance/priority He places on the doctrine He committed to our apostle:
"...that form of doctrine which was delivered you."-Rom. 6:17 KJV
"...the doctrine which ye have learned..."-Rom. 16:17 KJV
"...they teach no other doctrine,..." -1 Tim. 1:3 KJV
"...sound doctrine;..." 2 Tim. 4:3 KJV, Titus 1:9 KJV
"...that is contrary to sound doctrine;..."- 1 Tim. 1:10 KJV
"...good doctrine, whereunto thou hast attained." - 1 Tim. 4:6 KJV
"...Take heed unto thyself, and unto the doctrine;.." 1 Tim. 4:16 KJV
"If any man teach otherwise, and consent not to wholesome words, even the words of our Lord Jesus Christ, and to the doctrine which is according to godliness;" 1 Tim. 6:3 KJV
"But thou hast fully known my doctrine, manner of life, purpose, faith, longsuffering, charity, patience," 2 Tim. 3:10 KJV
Read it, believe it-"my doctrine."
Paul is the "apostle of the Gentiles"(Romans 11:13 KJV, Gal. 2:8 KJV), and thus your/our apostle.
Paul is "the minister of Jesus Christ to the Gentiles, ministering the gospel of God"(Romans 15:16 KJV), which was committed to his trust(1 Tim. 1:11 KJV).
Paul is "an apostle...a teacher of the Gentiles...(1 Tim. 2:8 KJV).
Paul was "appointed a preacher, and an apostle, and a teacher of the Gentiles"(2 Tim. 1:11 KJV).
Paul "laid the foundation" for the Body of Christ(1 Cor. 3:10 KJV).
Paul is a "minister of God according to the dispensation of God"(Col. 1:25 KJV).
Paul's writings are the Lord Jesus Christ's commandments today: Romans 15:18 KJV, 2 Cor. 13:3 KJV, 1 Cor. 14:37 KJV:
"If any man think himself to be a prophet, or spiritual, let him acknowledge that the things that I write unto you are the commandments of the Lord."
We are to follow Paul by direct orders from the Lord Jesus Christ-following Paul is following Christ:
"Wherefore I beseech you, be ye followers of me." 1 Cor. 4:16 KJV
"Be ye followers of me, even as I also am of Christ." 1 Cor. 11:1 KJV'
"Brethren, be followers together of me, and mark them which walk so as ye have us for an ensample." Philippians 3:17 KJV
"Those things, which ye have both learned, and received, and heard, and seen in me, do: and the God of peace shall be with you." Philippians 4:9 KJV
Paul is our pattern:
"Howbeit for this cause I obtained mercy, that in me first Jesus Christ might shew ! forth all longsuffering, for a pattern to them which should hereafter believe on him to life everlasting." 1 Tim. 1:16 KJV
Paul received his authority from the risen, ascended, glorified Lord Jesus Christ from heaven by revelation, not from man: Acts 20:24; Romans 16:25 KJV;Gal. 1:11-12 KJV, 2:2; Eph. 3:3 KJV
We are commanded to follow Paul today, not Peter, for following Paul is following the Lord Jesus Christ. The Body of Christ's prophet, or leader, is the apostle Paul, "...the apostle of the Gentiles...."(Romans 11:13 KJV). Just as Israel followed Moses, believers in this dispensation are commanded by the risen, ascended, and glorified Lord Jesus Christ to follow Paul: 1 Corinthians 4:16 KJV, 1 Cor.11:1 KJV; Philippians 3:17 KJV, Philippians 4:9 KJV; 1 Thessalonians 1:6 KJV; 2 Thessalonians 3:9 KJV; 1 Timothy 1:16 KJV. His writings are scripture, the inspired word of God(1 Thessalonians 2:13 KJV; Titus 1:3 KJV; 2 Peter 3:15-16 KJV), and are the Lord Jesus Christ's words and commands in this dispensation: Romans 15:18 KJV; 1 Corinthians 14:37 KJV; 2 Corinthians 13:3 KJV; 1 Thessalonians 4:2 KJV; 1 Timothy 6:3 KJV . Again, since we learn through repetition,The Lord Jesus Christ appointed Paul as :
-our apostle(not Peter, nor "the 12"): Romans 11:13 KJV; 2 Corinthians 11:5 KJV; Galatians 2:8 KJV; 1 Timothy 2:7 KJV; 2 Timothy 1:11 KJV
-our pattern; 1 Timothy 1:16 KJV
-the minister of Jesus Christ to the Gentiles in this dispensation: Romans 15:16 KJV; Ephesians 3:7-8 KJV; Colossians 1:23-25 KJV
-a preacher: 1 Timothy 2:7 KJV; 2 Timothy 1:11 KJV; Titus 1:3 KJV
- a teacher of the Gentiles: 1 Corinthians 4:17 KJV; 1 Timothy 2:7 KJV; 2 Timothy 1:11 KJV
- a prophet: 1 Corinthians 14:37 KJV
-the masterbuilder, having laid the foundation of the Body of Christ: 1 Corinthians 3:10 KJV
-a steward of the mysteries of God: 1 Corinthians 4:1 KJV
-the administrator, "steward", for the present dispensation of the grace of God: Ephesians 3:1-9 KJV
-authoritative: Titus 2:15 KJV; 2 Corinthians 13:10 KJV
Paul calls The LORD God to witness more often than any other biblical writer, and no other biblical writer spoke with an oath more than Paul: Romans 9: 1 KJV; 2 Corinthians 1:18 KJV, 2 Cor.11:10,31 KJV; Galatians 1:20 KJV; Philippians 1:8 KJV; 1 Timothy 2:7 KJV
Despite what you have been taught by "tradition", SOF's.....the Lord Jesus Christ's "marching orders" for today are given through Paul(the mystery program), not Peter(the prophetic program). And the reason for the apostasy of the RCO(I am a former "Roman") and most of so-called "Christianity"? Following Peter instead of Paul, following the prophetic program, and knowing "Christ after the flesh"(2 Cor. 5:16 KJV-his earthly ministry, presented as King of the Jews), instead of the mystery program, and knowing him as "the head of the body", the risen, ascended, glorified Lord Jesus Christ from heaven as revealed to the apostle Paul, "the apostle of the Gentiles"(Romans 11:13 KJV).
Paul alone was chosen to be God's spokesman for this new dispensation. The other 12 Apostles knew nothing about this dispensation; they knew only what Paul taught them ,and that is why Paul said he went by revelation- by direct command of the risen, ascended, glorified Lord Jesus Christ of heaven, to Jerusalem to confer with the 12 Apostles, and to teach them what gospel he preached- Gal. 2:2 KJV. If the Jerusalem apostles had been preaching the same gospel, that would had not have been not only unnecessary, but insane! And thus, we have TBN("The Blasphemy Network"), and the rest of the apostates preaching the gospel of the kingdom.
Again, who are these dividers within "the" church?-those that rebel against the doctrine Paul taught, as they do teach "other doctrine."
"As I besought thee to abide still at Ephesus, when I went into Macedonia, that thou mightest charge some that they teach no other doctrine," 1 Tim. 1:3 KJV
"...Thou art the man..." 2 Sam. 12:7 spiritual application
Members of the BOC are commanded to mark those who teach "other doctrine", and mark/expose/identify them, and, eventually, lavoid them. This I have done, and will continue to do. Why aren't you?
It's called a "lack of spine/vertebrae" disease, rampant, amongst alleged members of the boc.
"Only uses SOME of scripture, Paul's and only SOME of Paul's, the parts they like. "-Brucie boy
An honest person, re. the volume of the book, admits that not all of the book is specifically about him/her. nor is it written for his/her's respective obedience.
Of course, neither you, or anyone else on TOL, has ever claimed that you were honest, on this issue. So, tell us which scriptures you do not "use," the ones you don't like. How about the ones(plural), that tell you to sell all that you have, or, please, have a seat, and learn, little tike. We are all busy men/women. Well?
Let me guess your "response:" "Well, the context is....yawn....MAD is a cult.....yawn....coward....."...Wah, wah, wah..............................
Once again, the humble saint John W has done it-POTLTDY("Post Of The Last Ten Days").
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Great, einstein. I mean seriously, that brown is purchased, isn't it? That he was sent to the GENTILES does not mean he went with a different message. I've already presented that argument in these discussions. NONE OF YA would address it then either.
ANd he went to the pillars of the "Jewish" church, and they did not find his message to be any different than his was. AND PETER DID PREACH TO GENTILES AND JEWS else the Galatians conflict never happened.
See what I mean about y'all are incomplete and selective? You have to friggin edit the story to make it suit YOUR desires. You don't change YOUR theology to suit the Bible.
Which is how EVERY idiot without an argument begins their defense.
And your recent, last 50 years in existence, theological view, isn't just another of the so called denominations. Don't be dumb. Don't play dumb. You are smarter than that.
If you are right, then gentiles for 1960 years have all gone to hell because they followed the wrong gospel. How idiotic is that?
You didn't address the actual argument.
you spoke an aside to it.
You made a personal attack to enforce your lack of argument.
Paul taught that UNITY came through works, not knowledge. He also taught that the important Knowledge that led to Unity came through works. I gave you the scripture. You may need an online bible to read it, you have obviously redacted it in your paper one.
If your view was right, I would be reuniting an ecumenical growth spurt.... If your view was right, it would address the above arguments you rely on insult to address instead of scripture and reason.
See? This is why my new root problem with MAD is you guys all run from the discussion because you can't discuss.
Seriously?
1Co 1:10
Now I exhort you, brethren, by the name of our Lord Jesus Christ, that you all agree and that there be no divisions among you, but that you be made complete in the same mind and in the same judgment.
This verse does NOT SUPPORT STUDY TO SHOW YOURSELF APPROVED. It supports the way PAUL SAID THIS HAPPENS IN EPHESIANS 4. HOW LONG WILL YOU IGNORE THOSE VERSES AND PRETEND YOU ARE RIGHT BECAUSE THEY DO NOT EXIST??? THAT IS maliciously and deliberately incorrect.
Do you know what that makes you?
Then in Jesus church, that is after Melchizedekian order, no Jew or Gentile (even Paul said this...) you would not be separating yourself from the Jews. That's patently STUPID to try to hold that you don't create division and factions. It's patently IDIOTIC to say you follow PAUL and ignore the comments HE MADE THAT SHOW YOUR INTERPRETATION WRONG ON OTHER VERSES!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
You use scripture where and when it's convenient. You bend it to your view, not bend your view to it. You make yourself your own God and Savior when you do that.
Address the arguments.
Well, we can agree on the words here, although you mean it in a way I whole heartedly find to be false.
HEY we found ONE thing to agree on... maybe that's progress. Do you accept the gospel of John as belonging to all of us? Is John's comments about Christ true or not?
Would you accept 1 john 4:16-18 that says if you failed to have the proper love you were not saved?
If not would you accept the same comment or corroborative comment from PAUL?
If not why would you deny paul because he agreed with Paul????
The 1 john verse says that if you fail to have proper love, you aren't saved. I dont' give a flying frogs butt WHAT nor how HARD you believe something.
Paul agreed with Gal 5:6, the most controversial theological argument of his day, was not important, but faith working through love was. Jesus proves it in matt 25's last parable, and matt 5's last five verses.
Are you going to disagree with Jesus and with Paul both and claim to be saved by Jesus under Paul's teachings??? You can see why I find this cult extremely hypocritical can't you?
Believe what.
Paul, your LORD and your GOD, said that what you know isn't as important as that you love.
John explained that out some more later.
They are not in conflict. John was late enough he was writing to a diverse, mixed culture church. he wrote about 100 ADish. The church was very developed by then> He was still teaching what Paul taught.
Repent of what, andycain? What? You don't like my "Burger King" "the church," where I, and fellow, forever justified(Back to the dentist for you, as you are grinding your wolfie molars, as you read this)members of the body of Christ meet, each week, to study the bible, and survey it, unlike your "Holy Rollers" "the church" SOF, and praise God the Father, through the Lord Jesus Christ?
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Paul is the apostle OF the Gentiles. Why do some people have such a hard time with that little word?
You don't want to see that it's different because you'd have to chuck your religion that you've devoted all of your time and money to out the door.
What did Peter preach to the one house of Gentiles he ever went to:Acts 10:35 KJV. Oh noes, trouble for het: Paul preached Titus 3:5 KJV. Those are in direct opposition to one another: DIFFERENT!
And you?
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Don't be ignorant. Paul was committed and given dispensations. Over and over Paul exhorted us to follow him, hold fast what we've heard of him consider what he says, preach no other gospel, teach no other doctrine, on and on...
If they never received the love of the truth that they could be saved, why should they not perish?
Pretty stupid considering salvation by grace is the gift of God!
There is no unity outside of the sevenfold unity of the Spirit. Do you endevour to keep it? Do you believe water baptism is for today?
The unity comes by holding fast the form of sound words that we have heard of Paul (2 Timothy 1:13 KJV). Paul used the term doctrine 23 X. It's crucial for unity! What you want is unified religion and you can't have it (2 Timothy 2:19 KJV).
Of course it does, when you 2 Timothy 2:15 KJV, we will 1 Corinthians 1:10
I don't believe that the order of Mel has anything to do with the Body of Christ. :idunno:
I don't, but you are.
I don't believe I am interpreting anything.
I believe every word of the KJB. The pure words of the Lord are my final authority.
I don't see any.
we shall seeWell, we can agree on the words here, although you mean it in a way I whole heartedly find to be false.
John1:31 KJV
True.
If it were written TO me, yes.
It's not about whether we love, but that God loved us Romans 5:6 KJV, Romans 5:8 KJV, Romans 5:10 KJV, 2 Corinthians 5:19 KJV, Galatians 1:3-5 KJV, Galatians 2:20 KJV, Ephesians 2:4 KJV. Want more?
You should really care more about frogs.
I'm saved by grace through the faith OF Jesus Christ/by the gospel 1 Corinthians 15:1-4 KJV
1 Corinthians 15:1-4 KJV
Your posts are too long even for me.
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We don't edit God's word.
But one must rightly divide it, paying close attention to what was said, when it was said, and who it was said to.
For not everything said applies to everyone all all times.
For instance:
Matthew 16:20 KJV
(20) Then charged he his disciples that they should tell no man that he was Jesus the Christ.
(20) Then charged he his disciples that they should tell no man that he was Jesus the Christ.
For all people at all times?
No.
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If you are already joined to Christ through the gospel, how do you "join" a church?
How can you be joined to two churches at once?
The double minded would have no problem doing it. As brother Sozo would say.