What is the "Historical Gospel" of Jesus Christ?

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Jesus was a teacher of the law.
Of course He was. Jesus was a Jew under the law. Gal 4:4
He was a minister of the circumcision (i.e., Israel). Rom 15:8
The law does not save, nor does it justify, Romans 3:20.
Why wouldn't Jesus preach this (even after His death and before His ascension)?
He never taught the Gospel that justifies the ungodly, Romans 4:5 and reconciles us and the world unto God, 2 Corinthians 5:18,19. He left that up to the apostles.
Jesus gave that to ONE apostle. His name is Paul.
Until you come into a knowledge of the "Historical Gospel of Jesus Christ" you will never have the truth.
Again, your term "the Historical Gospel of Jesus Christ" is terribly confused. See Mark 1:1
 

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Of course He was. Jesus was a Jew under the law. Gal 4:4
He was a minister of the circumcision (i.e., Israel). Rom 15:8

Why wouldn't Jesus preach this (even after His death and before His ascension)?

Jesus gave that to ONE apostle. His name is Paul.

Again, your term "the Historical Gospel of Jesus Christ" is terribly confused. See Mark 1:1
Jesus did preach the Gospel that Justifies the ungodly, Romans 4:5 and reconciles us and the world unto God, 2 Corinthians 5:18, 19. Read John 3:14-21. He plainly taught that salvation is by grace through faith. No one will be saved that does not believe Jesus has fulfilled the law and atoned for their sins. It is called "Saving Faith".

Paul taught the other apostles the Gospel that justifies the ungodly and reconciles them unto God.
 

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Jesus did preach the Gospel that Justifies the ungodly, Romans 4:5 and reconciles us and the world unto God, 2 Corinthians 5:18, 19.
Jesus never preached Romans 4 or 2 Corinthians. Jesus gave that to Paul to preach.
Read John 3:14-21. He plainly taught that salvation is by grace through faith.
Do you not notice what is completely missing from John? There is NO mention of trusting in Christ's death for our sins.
No one will be saved that does not believe Jesus has fulfilled the law and atoned for their sins. It is called "Saving Faith".
No, this is called you LYING. Nobody has to believe the MYTH that Jesus "fulfilled the law".
Paul taught the other apostles the Gospel that justifies the ungodly and reconciles them unto God.
Paul taught them this MANY YEARS after Christ walked the earth, died on the cross, resurrected and ascended to heaven.
YOU claimed that the twelve learned this gospel in Acts 2. How could they learn something that was not revealed for MANY YEARS after that?

You are immensely confused. Your timeline is completely wrong.
 

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Jesus was a teacher of the law. The law does not save, nor does it justify, Romans 3:20. He never taught the Gospel that justifies the ungodly, Romans 4:5 and reconciles us and the world unto God, 2 Corinthians 5:18,19. He left that up to the apostles.

Until you come into a knowledge of the "Historical Gospel of Jesus Christ" you will never have the truth.
Jesus was a teacher of the Gospel of the Kingdom. Faith Justifies the Godly. If one has living faith they can take salvation for granted. Faith in not to be confused with "belief" in a doctrine or membership in a church institution.

What you are describing is a law in itself. It is the evil of doctrine formation. When theology masters religion, religion dies; it becomes a doctrine instead of a life. One can be religious, have a relationship with theology without having a personal relationship with the Father.

Jesus taught his own Gospel not Paul's revised version.
 

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Jesus was a teacher of the Gospel of the Kingdom.
The kingdom had laws. Jesus was a Jew under the law. Gal 4:4
Faith Justifies the Godly.
The Bible says otherwise.
Rom 4:1-9 (AKJV/PCE)
(4:1) What shall we say then that Abraham our father, as pertaining to the flesh, hath found? (4:2) For if Abraham were justified by works, he hath [whereof] to glory; but not before God. (4:3) For what saith the scripture? Abraham believed God, and it was counted unto him for righteousness. (4:4) Now to him that worketh is the reward not reckoned of grace, but of debt. (4:5) But to him that worketh not, but believeth on him that justifieth the ungodly, his faith is counted for righteousness. (4:6) Even as David also describeth the blessedness of the man, unto whom God imputeth righteousness without works, (4:7) [Saying], Blessed [are] they whose iniquities are forgiven, and whose sins are covered. (4:8) Blessed [is] the man to whom the Lord will not impute sin. (4:9) [Cometh] this blessedness then upon the circumcision [only], or upon the uncircumcision also? for we say that faith was reckoned to Abraham for righteousness.
Jesus taught his own Gospel not Paul's revised version.
Jesus GAVE Paul the gospel that Paul taught. You are simply wrong.
 

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Again, no issue there. Why can't God use that event (Christ's death) as payment for the sins of the world?
Because God is a merciful, Loving and forgiving Father, not a cold hearted, heavenly accountant/theology lawyer! That was the "good news" of the original Gospel. But you just cannot accept that, neither could the Jews.

Judaism strayed far away from the simple truths of Gods personal forgiveness of individuals. The priest class made a lot of money from the common people having to pay up for sacrifices and all the nonsense that went on in the Temple that got destroyed like Jesus said it would.

Love doesn't hold grudges.
 

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The kingdom had laws. Jesus was a Jew under the law. Gal 4:4

The Bible says otherwise.


Jesus GAVE Paul the gospel that Paul taught. You are simply wrong.
Gods writes his laws on our hearts, or at least that's the way it was supposed to be before clever men created the alternatives and loopholes of religion.

With Jesus we were to start over again, Jews and Gentiles as brothers in the Kingdom that Jesus established while on the earth. But after Jesus left the new wine was put into the old wine skins, the new cloth was sewn onto the old by well intentioned Jews who were trying to justify their conversion to a new faith using the old. They were wasting their time and confusing future generations by trying to bring their Jewish brethren to the Jesus movement. They don't want it! They live in the past in a self important delusion.
 
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Because God is a merciful, Loving and forgiving Father, not a cold hearted, heavenly accountant/theology lawyer!
God is MANY THINGS, including a "consuming fire".
Heb 12:29 (AKJV/PCE)
(12:29) For our God [is] a consuming fire.
You try to make God into something that is not scriptural. You are a cherry-picker. It's funny and ironic that you even try to use the Bible that you say is corrupt through and through.
That was the "good news" of the original Gospel.
There are MANY GOSPELS in the Bible. Your "original gospel" is a figment of your imagination.
But you just cannot accept that, neither could the Jews.
I accept the Word of God completely. You think that it's corrupt. Why do accept any of is, if it's corrupt?
Judaism strayed far away from the simple truths of Gods personal forgiveness of individuals. The priest class made a lot of money from the common people having to pay up for sacrifices and all the nonsense that went on in the Temple that got destroyed like Jesus said it would.
No kidding. And how do you know these things? Because they're in the BIBLE.
Love doesn't hold grudges.
God is NOT "just love". God is also a just judge. God can do things His way, even when you object.
 

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Gods writes his laws on our hearts, or at least that's the way it was supposed to be before clever men created the alternatives and loopholes of religion.
God gave Israel a religion. That they did not follow it is irrelevant to the topic of how God forgives sin. Jesus died for our sins (well mine anyway, you are unforgiven as you do not believe the truth).
With Jesus we were to start over again, Jews and Gentiles as brothers in the Kingdom that Jesus established while on the earth. But after Jesus left the new wine was put into the old wine skins, the new cloth was sewn onto the old by well intentioned Jews who were trying to justify their conversion new faith using the old. They were waiting their time and confusing future generations by trying to bring their Jewish breatharian to the Jesus movement. They don't want it! They live in the past in a self important delusion.
Jesus will restore Israel to the place as the head of the nations. I've shown you much of the scripture related to that. But you are blind to the truth.
 

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God is MANY THINGS, including a "consuming fire".

You try to make God into something that is not scriptural. You are a cherry-picker. It's funny and ironic that you even try to use the Bible that you say is corrupt through and through.

There are MANY GOSPELS in the Bible. Your "original gospel" is a figment of your imagination.

I accept the Word of God completely. You think that it's corrupt. Why do accept any of is, if it's corrupt?

No kidding. And how do you know these things? Because they're in the BIBLE.

God is NOT "just love". God is also a just judge. God can do things His way, even when you object.
God as a father transcends God as a judge. I do have to cherry pick the true parts of the Bible and leave the parts that make God like the men who wrote the scripture.
 

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God gave Israel a religion. That they did not follow it is irrelevant to the topic of how God forgives sin. Jesus died for our sins (well mine anyway, you are unforgiven as you do not believe the truth).

Jesus will restore Israel to the place as the head of the nations. I've shown you much of the scripture related to that. But you are blind to the truth.
The devil brought about the death of Jesus, you are aligned with him by necessity to complete the theoretical atonement doctrine. Strange bed fellows!
 

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And YET God planned that the death of Christ would pay for the sins of the world.

False accusations, as usual.
That's a claim made by sacrifice minded men after Jesus Left who couldn't accept that God is a Forgiving Father.

When the harvest time drew near, he sent his servants to the tenants to collect his share of the fruit. 35But the tenants seized his servants. They beat one, killed another, and stoned a third.

36Again, he sent other servants, more than the first group. But the tenants did the same to them.

37Finally, he sent his son to them. ‘They will respect my son,’ he said.<----
God disagrees with you.

38But when the tenants saw the son, they said to one another, ‘This is the heir. Come, let us kill him and take his inheritance.’ 39So they seized him and threw him out of the vineyard and killed him.

40Therefore, when the owner of the vineyard returns, what will he do to those tenants?”

41“He will bring those wretches to a wretched end,” they replied, “and will rent out the vineyard to other tenants who will give him his share of the fruit at harvest time.”

42Jesus said to them, “Have you never read in the Scriptures:

‘The stone the builders rejected

has become the cornerstone.

This is from the Lord,

and it is marvelous in our eyes?

43Therefore I tell you that the kingdom of God will be taken away from you and given to a people who will produce its fruit. 44He who falls on this stone will be broken to pieces, but he on whom it falls will be crushed.”

45When the chief priests and Pharisees heard His parables, they knew that Jesus was speaking about them.

Not supposed to kill the Son!
 

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That's a claim made by sacrifice minded men after Jesus Left who couldn't accept that God is a Forgiving Father.

When the harvest time drew near, he sent his servants to the tenants to collect his share of the fruit. 35But the tenants seized his servants. They beat one, killed another, and stoned a third.

36Again, he sent other servants, more than the first group. But the tenants did the same to them.

37Finally, he sent his son to them. ‘They will respect my son,’ he said.<----
God disagrees with you.

38But when the tenants saw the son, they said to one another, ‘This is the heir. Come, let us kill him and take his inheritance.’ 39So they seized him and threw him out of the vineyard and killed him.

40Therefore, when the owner of the vineyard returns, what will he do to those tenants?”

41“He will bring those wretches to a wretched end,” they replied, “and will rent out the vineyard to other tenants who will give him his share of the fruit at harvest time.”

42Jesus said to them, “Have you never read in the Scriptures:

‘The stone the builders rejected

has become the cornerstone.

This is from the Lord,


and it is marvelous in our eyes?

43Therefore I tell you that the kingdom of God will be taken away from you and given to a people who will produce its fruit. 44He who falls on this stone will be broken to pieces, but he on whom it falls will be crushed.”

45When the chief priests and Pharisees heard His parables, they knew that Jesus was speaking about them.

Not supposed to kill the Son!
It did not matter. God KNEW that they would kill His Son. God used this evil for good.

1Cor 2:6-8 (AKJV/PCE)
(2:6) Howbeit we speak wisdom among them that are perfect: yet not the wisdom of this world, nor of the princes of this world, that come to nought: (2:7) But we speak the wisdom of God in a mystery, [even] the hidden [wisdom], which God ordained before the world unto our glory: (2:8) Which none of the princes of this world knew: for had they known [it], they would not have crucified the Lord of glory.
 

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It did not matter. God KNEW that they would kill His Son. God used this evil for good.
The Son also came to realize that those chosen to receive the Son and the great commission would decidedly rejected his Gospel and kill the Son. Its was never a condition of forgiveness but it was an act of Love.
 

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Jesus never preached Romans 4 or 2 Corinthians. Jesus gave that to Paul to preach.

Do you not notice what is completely missing from John? There is NO mention of trusting in Christ's death for our sins.

No, this is called you LYING. Nobody has to believe the MYTH that Jesus "fulfilled the law".

Paul taught them this MANY YEARS after Christ walked the earth, died on the cross, resurrected and ascended to heaven.
YOU claimed that the twelve learned this gospel in Acts 2. How could they learn something that was not revealed for MANY YEARS after that?

You are immensely confused. Your timeline is completely wrong.
I don't see much hope for you. You are not able to come to the truth. If Jesus didn't fulfill the law for us, then we are still under the law. To be under the law is to be under judgment and condemnation. This is why Paul said to the Galatians, "Tell me that you desire to be under the law, do you not hear the law? Galatians 4:21. The law demands perfection. Are you perfect? If not then you will be judged by the law and condemned. This is why Jesus fulfilled the law for us and then abolished it, Ephesians 2:15.

Jesus plainly taught justification by faith. Believing in someone and having faith in someone is the same thing. Jesus said, "Whosoever believes in him should not perish, but have everlasting life" John 3:16. Jesus saves us by fulfilling the law for us and atoning for our sins. This is the "Historical Gospel". It is a past historical event that took place over 2,000 years ago. This is how we are reconciled unto God by the life, death and resurrection of Jesus.

You seem to have an unteachable hostile Spirit.
 

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Jesus was a teacher of the Gospel of the Kingdom. Faith Justifies the Godly. If one has living faith they can take salvation for granted. Faith in not to be confused with "belief" in a doctrine or membership in a church institution.

What you are describing is a law in itself. It is the evil of doctrine formation. When theology masters religion, religion dies; it becomes a doctrine instead of a life. One can be religious, have a relationship with theology without having a personal relationship with the Father.

Jesus taught his own Gospel not Paul's revised version.

Paul taught the same Gospel that Jesus taught. That we are saved and justified by faith, John 3:16.
 
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