There is no flesh son. Jesus is God or the Son of God or the Messiah in the flesh. You have an idea of flesh son or spiritual son which words are not found together in the scriptures.
Are you wrong because you believe God had a son before creation or because you believe God had a son who is not Jesus?
From Daniel it may be that one view of prophecy has that it is talking about Jesus' birth.
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GOD IS NOT CREATED IN ANY WAY SHAPE OR FORM. Shame on you keypurr. That is Polytheism. The rendering of the text is He, not it
John 1:1-2 Modern English Version (MEV)
The Word Became Flesh
1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. 2 He was in the beginning with God.
2 Timothy 2:15 Modern English Version (MEV)
15 Study to show yourself approved by God, a workman who need not be ashamed, rightly dividing the word of truth.
Until you can rightly divide you will be in error.
Whao to you too RT,
Luke 1:32 does not contain the definite article:
Luke 1:32 Transliterated Unaccented
32. Houtos estai megas kai huios hupsistou klethesetai kai dosei auto Kurios ho Theos ton thronon Dauid tou patros autou.
"This one shall be great, and [a?] son of the Most High shall he be called, and YHWH Elohim gives to him the throne of David his father."
But Christ is the only begotten Son of the Father - it's a unique relationship that the rest of us don't share. Also that is a law pertaining to the Israelites. God is not calling every human elohim. And note they are not called YHWH while Jesus is YHWH with the Father - a fact I believe you dispute.
Yes, you have that much correct. Jesus is our brother. who was exalted and inherited His name, and became the revelation of the Father to man.Because he is the firstborn among many BRETHREN.
Let's go back to that passage you reference from John and look at the next verse:
I believe Jesus referred to Himself that way because He was speaking of Himself in a past tense. The gospel also refers to prophets as son of man.
By the way if you are speaking of the following post from the previous page here it is with references:
Originally Posted by daqqYes, in many more ways than one, for there is neither male nor female in Messiah.
The words of Agur, (the Gatherer) son of Yaqeh, (the obedient) the burden: Thus says the Geber, for 'Iythiy'el, (for God has arrived) for God has arrived and devoured: Surely I am lower than an 'iysh and the understanding of an 'adam have I not: neither was I taught wisdom, but the knowledge of the holy ones I know. Who ascends the shamayim and descends? Who has gathered the ruach in his fists? Who has bound the waters in a garment? Who has established all the ends of the earth? What is His name? and what is the name of His Son if you can tell? Every 'imrat-memra of God is refined: He is a magen to them that put their trust in him, [Proverbs 30:1-5] (and no one has ascended into the shamayim but he that from the shamayim descended in the somatikos-bodily form of a pneumatikos dove: the Son of the Anthropou [Luke 3:22 with John 3:13]). Counsel is mine, and sound wisdom: I am understanding; I have strength. By me kings reign and princes decree justice. By me princes rule, and nobles, even all the judges of the earth. I love them that love me and those that seek me early shall find me. Riches and honor are with me; yea, durable riches and righteousness. My fruit is better than gold, yea, than fine gold; and my revenue than choice silver. I lead in the way of righteousness in the midst of the paths of judgment: that I may cause those that love me to inherit substance; and I will fill their treasures. YHWH possessed me in the beginning of his way, before his works of old: I was set up from everlasting, from the beginning, or ever the earth was. When there were no depths, I was brought forth; when there were no fountains abounding with water. Before the mountains were settled, before the hills I was brought forth: while as yet he had not made the earth, nor the fields, nor the highest part of the dust of the world. When he prepared the heavens, I was there, and when he set a compass upon the face of the depth, when he established the clouds above, when he strengthened the fountains of the deep, when he gave to the sea his decree, that the waters should not pass his commandment, when he appointed the foundations of the earth: then was I by him, as one brought up with him: and I was daily his delight, rejoicing always before him, rejoicing in the habitable part of his earth, and my delights were with the sons of men. Now therefore hearken unto me, O you sons: for blessed are they that keep my ways. Hear instruction, and be wise, and refuse it not. Blessed is the man that hears me, watching daily at my gates, waiting at the posts of my doors. For whosoever finds me finds life and shall obtain favour of YHWH. But he that sins against me wrongs his own soul: all they that hate me love death [Proverbs 8:14-36].
In the beginning was the Memra, and the Memra was with the Elohim, and elohim was the Memra: the same was in the beginning with the Elohim. All things through him came to be, and apart from him came nothing to be which has come to be. In him was life, and the life was the light of men; and the light shines in the darkness, and the darkness cannot apprehend it. There came to be a man sent from Elohim of the name Yochanan: the same came for a witness, to bear witness of the light, that all men through him might believe. He was not that light, but was sent to bear witness of that light. That was the true light, which lights every man that comes into the world. He was in the world, and the world came to be through him, and the world knew him not. He came unto his own and his own received him not. But as many as received him, to them he gave power to become sons of Elohim, to them that are faithfully trusting into his name: those not of blood, nor of the will of the flesh, nor of the will of man, but from Elohim having been born. And the Memra came to be flesh, and tabernacled among us, [John 1:1-14] but all flesh is not the same flesh: there is one kind of flesh of men, another flesh of beasts, another of fishes, and another of birds, (and therefore likewise yonah-doves). There are somata-bodies celestial, and somata-bodies terrestrial; but the glory of the celestial is one, and the glory of the terrestrial is another: if there is a soma psuchikon, there is a soma pneumatikon [1 Corinthians 15:39-40, 44b].
And Yeshua having been praying immersed, and by and by ascending from the water he sees the heavens being torn, and the Spirit of the Holy One descending in somatiko-corporeal-bodily form as a dove and entering into him: and a voice coming from heaven, "You are My Son: This day have I begotten you." [Luke 3:21b-22 Codex Bezae] And thereupon shone a great light roundabout that place. And Yochanan seeing the great light, and having gone through, (several plunges of the immersion) prevented him, saying, "Who are you, Master? I have need under the name of you to be immersed: and you come to me?" And Yeshua answering says unto him: "Allow it for now: for in this way it is fitting for us to fill up all righteousness." Then he allowed it. And by and by ascending up from the water, behold, the heavens were opened unto him, and he saw the Spirit of Elohim descending as if a dove and alighting upon him: And, lo, a voice from the heavens, saying, "This is My Son, the Beloved, in whom I delight." [Matthew 3:13-17, Epiphanius, Aramaic-Hebrew Matthew Gospel of the Ebionites] And the Memra tabernacled in the heart of the man Yeshua: and the Father, that Princely Power of the Empire, remained upon his shoulder [Isaiah 9:6 YLT] as Yeshua walked among his talmidim and all the people: Emmanu'El.
What about these clear emphatic statements from Yeshua himself?
Do you honor them by incorporating them into your doctrine?
John 14:24
24. He that loves me not keeps not my words: and the Logos which you hear is not of me, but-contrariwise, [it is] of the Sender of me, the Father.
John 5:22
22. For the Father judges no one, but-contrariwise, the judgment of all He has given to the Son:
John 8:15
15. You judge according to the flesh: I judge no one.
John 8:50
50. And I seek not mine own glory: one there is, the Seeker and Judge.
John 12:47-48
47. And if anyone hear my words and believe not, I judge him not; for I came not to judge the world, but-contrariwise that the world be saved.
48. He that rejects me, and receives not my words, has one that judges him: the Logos which I have spoken, that one shall judge him in the last day.
1) The Father judges no one.
2) The man Yeshua judges no one.
3) The Father has given all judgment to the Son.
4) The man Yeshua seeks not his own glory: there is one Seeker and Judge.
5) The Logos which the man Yeshua spoke is the Seeker and Judge.
6) The Logos is the Son according to the Testimony of Yeshua.
7) Heaven and earth shall pass but the words of Yeshua will not pass away.