Theology Club: What is Open Theism?
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Your fate, not mine, your God, not mine.
Openness is about faith not fate. At least you understand how pathetic your view is.
--Dave
Nang
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Exactly.
Nang
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Your god or my God?
Nang
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My God created time, my God defines time, my God controls time, and my God will end time.
Revelation 1:8
Nang
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That is my answer.
Peano? Is that noir, or grigio?
Peano! not Pinot!
:chuckle:
Very clever! It took me a while to get it! I'm not too up on wines. The only wines I like are moscato wines and even those taste terrible if the bottle's been open for more than 12 hours.
Then your God is outside of time, not in time.
Your unwillingness to just answer the question directly demonstrates your theological insecurity.
The next question you need not answer because it's rhetorical.
Is your God in everywhere and in everything?
--Dave
Nang
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You are demanding I answer according to your premise, not my own premise.
I have answered you according to my beliefs, not yours.
I will answer this particular question, in order to make myself clear . . .
I do not hold to Pantheism, as your rhetorical question might infer.
Nang
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I noticed she didn't provide any Scripture to support the ideas she presented: that God created time, defines it, controls or will end it...
I don't like wine either, but I watch a lot of TV and movies about rich people.:ha:
Now that I have your attention: it was either in this thread, or another on the OV, where you quoted Shasta; but because of Shasta's poor formatting it attributed the quote to me. Can you fix that, please?
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My post #147
Nang
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How?
His choice to give us a will of our own. He could save everyone regardless of their desire but that is not how He made the world, nor would it be consistent with justice.
Yes, we disagree with the cause of unbelief, but in a nutshell, yes.
Coming from quite different directions, but yes, same answer.
I wouldn't go as far as to say "completely",
but same bottom line answer.THe Bible is filled with examples, it would be harder to find a page that doesn't suggest things are not all determined. Every time God judges men, every time He or His prophets tell men to do right or follow a law it suggests God didn't just program/determine us to do whatever we do.
See every example I described above. (maybe not that simply but generally every situation that fits God judging us or exhorting us)
I wouldn't argue that God is unaware of any aspect of creation, unless He chooses to be. The old example of reflections from a chrome bumper comes to mind. Infinite data is being created infinitely as a car drives down the street, not to mention the movement of the things being reflected. Can God be aware of every bit of it? Yes. Would He care/choose to? I don't believe so.
My definition would mostly likely be the same as yours, explanation would vary per topic, but the biggie you are most likely after is that the Body of Christ was predestined corporately.
(I'm going to try to not be so punchy, I was in a mood when I posted before, you ignored my jabs in your response and I commend you for it)
added in edit, I apologize for jumping you in my previous post, was inappropriate.
Why did God bring the animals to Adam to see what He would name them?
Why did God tell Abraham that He now knew Abraham loved Him?
Why did God need to go into S&G to find out if the outcries were true?
Why did Abraham think God could change His mind about destroying the cities? Why did he bargain with God and keep lowering the number as though he didn't think God already knew the number of righteous men in the city?
Why did Jonah think God could change His mind about destroying Nineveh?
Why did David think God could change His mind about his firstborn with Bathsheba?
Why did God tell Abraham that He now knew Abraham loved Him?
Why did God need to go into S&G to find out if the outcries were true?
Why did Abraham think God could change His mind about destroying the cities? Why did he bargain with God and keep lowering the number as though he didn't think God already knew the number of righteous men in the city?
Why did Jonah think God could change His mind about destroying Nineveh?
Why did David think God could change His mind about his firstborn with Bathsheba?