I took you off ignore in attempt to get you to have some sort of substantive discussion, just the exact opposite of running away. But you're impossible to have any sort of substantive exchange with. You're simply incapable of it. The best you've got is to send, as a final shot in defense of sinless perfection, an idiotic comment like accusing me of defending sin as though that doesn't count as a lie.
And it isn't God's word that are your truisms. But of course you knew that when you said that stupid comment too! The meaningless truisms that I'm referring to are comments like "There are no boundaries to the words of God.", "Love is measureless.", and straight out lies like, "That is why I wondered why you seemed you accuse Jesus of being arrogant when He never was. when it wasn't called for."
Such things are intended as substance. They're have truths and lies designed to make you feel better about not being about to address the fact that you're an arrogant ass who thinks that because he loves God more than everyone else, he is able to keep himself from sinning. It's the most ludicrously self-aggrandizing stupidity I've seen anyone post in months! Any third grade child could see through it.
What you think of me and the words I use matters little.
What is important, however, is what you think of the truth that can free you from sinning.
It is written..."And ye shall know the truth, and the truth shall make you free.
33 They answered him, We be Abraham's seed, and were never in bondage to any man: how sayest thou, Ye shall be made free?
34 Jesus answered them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Whosoever committeth sin is the servant of sin." (John 8:32-34)
It is written..."And ye shall know the truth, and the truth shall make you free.
33 They answered him, We be Abraham's seed, and were never in bondage to any man: how sayest thou, Ye shall be made free?
34 Jesus answered them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Whosoever committeth sin is the servant of sin." (John 8:32-34)
You haven't the slightest idea what that passage even means. Anyone can support any wacky doctrine that they want to conjer up if the way you use scripture was even close to valid.
You haven't the slightest idea what that passage even means. Anyone can support any wacky doctrine that they want to conjer up if the way you use scripture was even close to valid.
Good bye!
Something lacking freedom from serving sin, isn't the truth Jesus said could free us from committing sin.
Is "graced out" contrary to Jesus' promise?
If so, thankyou for the warning.
Something lacking freedom from serving sin, isn't the truth Jesus said could free us from committing sin.
Is "graced out" contrary to Jesus' promise?
If so, thankyou for the warning.
I'm going to take Hoping back off of ignore just long enough to see what his reaction to this single point is.
What you've said here is the very gospel itself. It's what the whole book of Galatians is about and it seems to me to be completely foreign to Hoping's mind.
Galatians 3:22 But the Scripture has confined all under sin, that the promise by faith in Jesus Christ might be given to those who believe.
Galatians 3:26 For you are all sons of God through faith in Christ Jesus. 27 For as many of you as were baptized into Christ have put on Christ.
He seems to have no concept at all of two DIFFERENT covenants, one for Israel and the other NOT for Israel...
Galatians 4:21 Tell me, you who desire to be under the law, do you not hear the law? 22 For it is written that Abraham had two sons: the one by a bondwoman, the other by a freewoman. 23 But he who was of the bondwoman was born according to the flesh, and he of the freewoman through promise, 24 which things are symbolic. For these are the two covenants: the one from Mount Sinai which gives birth to bondage, which is Hagar— 25 for this Hagar is Mount Sinai in Arabia, and corresponds to Jerusalem which now is, and is in bondage with her children— 26 but the Jerusalem above is free, which is the mother of us all. 27 For it is written:
“Rejoice, O barren, You who do not bear!
Break forth and shout,
You who are not in labor!
For the desolate has many more children
Than she who has a husband.”
28 Now we, brethren, as Isaac was, are children of promise. 29 But, as he who was born according to the flesh then persecuted him who was born according to the Spirit, even so it is now. 30 Nevertheless what does the Scripture say? “Cast out the bondwoman and her son, for the son of the bondwoman shall not be heir with the son of the freewoman.” 31 So then, brethren, we are not children of the bondwoman but of the free.
It's as though he thinks that the reason that there is no longer any distinction between Jew and Gentile is because the Gentiles have been made Jews! It's just totally upside down and, as a result, he has no concept of all, it seems, of what the Christian life is supposed to be!
Galatians 5: 5 For we through the Spirit eagerly wait for the hope of righteousness by faith.
17 For the flesh lusts against the Spirit, and the Spirit against the flesh; and these are contrary to one another, so that you do not do the things that you wish.
Paul echos this same idea in Romans....
Romans 4:5 But to him who does not work but believes on Him who justifies the ungodly, his faith is accounted for righteousness,
Romans 7:14 For we know that the law is spiritual, but I am carnal, sold under sin. 15 For what I am doing, I do not understand. For what I will to do, that I do not practice; but what I hate, that I do. 16 If, then, I do what I will not to do, I agree with the law that it is good. 17 But now, it is no longer I who do it, but sin that dwells in me. 18 For I know that in me (that is, in my flesh) nothing good dwells; for to will is present with me, but how to perform what is good I do not find. 19 For the good that I will to do, I do not do; but the evil I will not to do, that I practice. 20 Now if I do what I will not to do, it is no longer I who do it, but sin that dwells in me.
And lastly, while Hoping boasts about being arrogant and blasphemously claims he's following Christ's example in doing so, Paul teaches otherwise...
Galatians 6:14 But God forbid that I should boast except in the cross of our Lord Jesus Christ,
Where is there any need for the cross if sinless perfection is even possible for us while we are still in this fleshly body of death? I simply cannot comprehend how it is even possible for someone to get so utterly tricked into believe such a thing even makes sense, never mind that it's actually possible or, of all things, that you've actually accomplished it! It makes my head explode! How is it possible to be so blind to your own self? I'm not sure that it is possible, actually. It's either a lie or the strongest delusion I've ever come across.
So Gentiles, not free from serving sin, will obtain the promised eternal life while they continue to commit sin?
It makes no sense.
It puts the Jews under a different standard of behavior to the same God Gentiles serve.
What kind of fairness is that?
Considering the price Jesus paid to free all of us from the devil, to allow one group to continue to serve sin, but not the other, is indeed unfair...unjust.
Harry Potter's "invisibility cloak" false doctrine.
We will all be judged alike.
It is written..."For we must all appear before the judgment seat of Christ; that every one may receive the things done in his body, according to that he hath done, whether it be good or bad." (2 Cor 5:10)
You shouldn't be. It's not meant for you, nor does it make any sense for the Body of Christ.
Israel was under different house rules than we are in the Body of Christ today.
You don't think Peter and Paul, or John, are in the body of Christ?
It is written..."But now in Christ Jesus ye who sometimes were far off are made nigh by the blood of Christ.
14 For he is our peace, who hath made both one, and hath broken down the middle wall of partition between us;
15 Having abolished in his flesh the enmity, even the law of commandments contained in ordinances; for to make in himself of twain one new man, so making peace;
16 And that he might reconcile both unto God in one body by the cross, having slain the enmity thereby:"
(Eph 2:13-16)
Jewish and Gentile believers are all one since the wall of ordinances was broken down.
If Paul didn't believe it, why did he write Rom 6:7..."For he that is dead is freed from sin."?
Or 1 Cor 15:34..."Awake to righteousness, and sin not; for some have not the knowledge of God: I speak this to your shame."?
Or Rom 8:1..."There is therefore now no condemnation to them which are in Christ Jesus, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit." ?
Or Phil 3:15..."Let us therefore, as many as be perfect, be thus minded: and if in anything ye be otherwise minded, God shall reveal even this unto you." ?
Or Col 1:28..."Whom we preach, warning every man, and teaching every man in all wisdom; that we may present every man perfect in Christ Jesus." ?
Or 2 Tim 2:19..."Nevertheless the foundation of God standeth sure, having this seal, The Lord knoweth them that are his. And, let everyone that nameth the name of Christ depart from iniquity." ?
I thank God for this Jewish apostle to the Jews and Gentiles.
To continue living in sin after Jesus conquered it in the flesh, makes His suffering and death a moot point.
It makes the sacrificial animals the only ones who gained any freedom by His death .
It's those in the Body of Christ, where there is neither Jew nor Gentile.
For those in the Body of Christ, yes, they will obtain the promised eternal life, because Christ is their righteousness, not doing good works.
Where is boasting then? It is excluded. By what law? Of works? No, but by the law of faith.Therefore we conclude that a man is justified by faith apart from the deeds of the law.Or is He the God of the Jews only? Is He not also the God of the Gentiles? Yes, of the Gentiles also,since there is one God who will justify the circumcised by faith and the uncircumcised through faith.Do we then make void the law through faith? Certainly not! On the contrary, we establish the law. - Romans 3:27-31 http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Romans3:27-31&version=NKJV
God can and did require different things from different people, and it was never unfair.
Considering the price Jesus paid to free all of us from the devil, to allow one group to continue to serve sin, but not the other, is indeed unfair...unjust.
Why do you assume the house rules for Israel are currently in effect? There is only one active gospel, dispensation, currently, it's the gospel of the grace of God. This is partially my fault for not including "at different times" in my previous post.
God can do different things with different people at different times, and it is not unjust, unfair, etc.
Harry Potter's "invisibility cloak" false doctrine.
We will all be judged alike.
It is written..."For we must all appear before the judgment seat of Christ; that every one may receive the things done in his body, according to that he hath done, whether it be good or bad." (2 Cor 5:10)
Peter and the TWELVE APOSTLES, who will reign on TWELVE THRONES over the TWELVE TRIBES of Israel, are not part of the Body of Christ, no.
Paul was the first member, but he is not the head, Christ is the head of the Body. Paul is just a member.
It is written..."But now in Christ Jesus ye who sometimes were far off are made nigh by the blood of Christ.
14 For he is our peace, who hath made both one, and hath broken down the middle wall of partition between us;
15 Having abolished in his flesh the enmity, even the law of commandments contained in ordinances; for to make in himself of twain one new man, so making peace;
16 And that he might reconcile both unto God in one body by the cross, having slain the enmity thereby:" (Eph 2:13-16)
Only under the gospel of grace. But not under the New Covenant, which made (and will make when it becomes active again during the Great Tribulation) a distinction between Jew and Gentile.
Does it make much sense to tell a deaf man to not listen, a blind man to not see, a lame man to not walk, if he is incapable of doing so to begin with?
In the same way, does it make any sense at all to tell someone to not sin if they are incapable of sinning?
The answer is no.
Or Rom 8:1..."There is therefore now no condemnation to them which are in Christ Jesus, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit."?
Because those who are in Him are no longer under the law, but under grace (Romans 6:14), and God, has passed over sins that were previously committed... Well, I'll just let you read what Paul says:
But now the righteousness of God apart from the law is revealed, being witnessed by the Law and the Prophets,even the righteousness of God, through faith in Jesus Christ, to all and on all who believe. For there is no difference;for all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God,being justified freely by His grace through the redemption that is in Christ Jesus,whom God set forth as a propitiation by His blood, through faith, to demonstrate His righteousness, because in His forbearance God had passed over the sins that were previously committed,to demonstrate at the present time His righteousness, that He might be just and the justifier of the one who has faith in Jesus. - Romans 3:21-26 http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Romans3:21-26&version=NKJV
Or Phil 3:15..."Let us therefore, as many as be perfect, be thus minded: and if in anything ye be otherwise minded, God shall reveal even this unto you." ?
It's not WE that are perfect! IT'S CHRIST! His righteousness is imputed upon us in Him.
We are righteous because HE is righteous, while our righteousness is as filthy rags!
Or 2 Tim 2:19..."Nevertheless the foundation of God standeth sure, having this seal, The Lord knoweth them that are his. And, let everyone that nameth the name of Christ depart from iniquity." ?
That's all I needed! There's no way in the world Hoping is half as clever as needed to be the one who came up with that idiotic quip. That's just a parroting of something his teachers have said. Meaning that he isn't ignorant of the gospel, he simply doesn't believe it.
Hoping, you are not a Christian. You are not resting in Christ's finished work but are relying on your own righteousness. Unless you repent, you're going to be cleaning your own dirty laundry. You are going to be shocked at just how filthy your supposed sinless perfection is when you stand before the judge of all creation.
It's not Gentiles.
It's those in the Body of Christ, where there is neither Jew nor Gentile.
For those in the Body of Christ, yes, they will obtain the promised eternal life, because Christ is their righteousness, not doing good works.
Where is boasting then? It is excluded. By what law? Of works? No, but by the law of faith.Therefore we conclude that a man is justified by faith apart from the deeds of the law.Or is He the God of the Jews only? Is He not also the God of the Gentiles? Yes, of the Gentiles also,since there is one God who will justify the circumcised by faith and the uncircumcised through faith.Do we then make void the law through faith? Certainly not! On the contrary, we establish the law. - Romans 3:27-31 http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Romans3:27-31&version=NKJV
Things that are different are not the same.
So the BOC, while not free from sin, will receive eternal life while still being servants of sin.
That is quite the introduction of sin into Christ.
And quite impossible.
Of course not, as there is no sin in Christ.
Neither is there any sin in God,
As it is written..."This then is the message which we have heard of him, and declare unto you, that God is light, and in him is no darkness at all."
Darkness is sin, just as it is written in Pro 4:19..."The way of the wicked is as darkness:..."
As sinners cannot say they have fellowship with God, (1 John 1:6), they can not have fellowship with Christ either.
So Jews have to live in love but Gentiles don't and can expect the same reward.
That sort of doctrine allows the Hitlers and Putins of the world to claim they are Christians.
The "house rules for Jewish believers are the same for Jew or Gentile.
Turn from sin and get baptized in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins.
And endure faithfully until the end of the world.
Anything disparate from that is an addition or subtraction from the original message.
There is only one active gospel, dispensation, currently, it's the gospel of the grace of God. This is partially my fault for not including "at different times" in my previous post.
It is a dispensation for all believers. Jew and Gentile.
The dispensation of grace to live in harmony with God...which makes bringing sin along with you incongruous.
You are of a different religion than I.
I am a Christian, and you are a Paulian.
I worship God and have been freed from sin.
You worship Paul and are not free from sin.
Even though Paul tells us exactly how to be dead to sin in Rom 6.
As Eph 2 is talking about the joining of the Gentiles with the Jews, why do you discount one half of Paul's equation?
"For he is our peace, who hath made both one, and hath broken down the middle wall of partition between us;" (Eph 2:14)
Only under the gospel of grace. But not under the New Covenant, which made (and will make when it becomes active again during the Great Tribulation) a distinction between Jew and Gentile.
Rom 11:24..."For if thou wert cut out of the olive tree which is wild by nature, and wert grafted contrary to nature into a good olive tree: how much more shall these, which be the natural branches, be grafted into their own olive tree?"
As Paul uses similes here, no tribal name is necessary, as the whole matter encapsulates union instead of division.
A union with Christ's people that you seem to abhor.
But I am free.
It is written..."What shall we say then? Shall we continue in sin, that grace may abound?
2 God forbid. How shall we, that are dead to sin, live any longer therein?
3 Know ye not, that so many of us as were baptized into Jesus Christ were baptized into his death?
4 Therefore we are buried with him by baptism into death: that like as Christ was raised up from the dead by the glory of the Father, even so we also should walk in newness of life.
5 For if we have been planted together in the likeness of his death, we shall be also in the likeness of his resurrection:
6 Knowing this, that our old man is crucified with him, that the body of sin might be destroyed, that henceforth we should not serve sin.
7 For he that is dead is freed from sin."
I was baptized, immersed into the death of Jesus, and into His burial.
Having done that, I was also raised with Christ to walk in newness of life.
A new creature who was born again of the seed of God and no longer under the limitations of Adam's seed.
Dead, and alive again in Christ.
Does it make much sense to tell a deaf man to not listen, a blind man to not see, a lame man to not walk, if he is incapable of doing so to begin with?
In the same way, does it make any sense at all to tell someone to not sin if they are incapable of sinning?
The answer is no.
Because those who are in Him are no longer under the law, but under grace (Romans 6:14), and God, has passed over sins that were previously committed... Well, I'll just let you read what Paul says:
But now the righteousness of God apart from the law is revealed, being witnessed by the Law and the Prophets,even the righteousness of God, through faith in Jesus Christ, to all and on all who believe. For there is no difference;for all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God,being justified freely by His grace through the redemption that is in Christ Jesus,whom God set forth as a propitiation by His blood, through faith, to demonstrate His righteousness, because in His forbearance God had passed over the sins that were previously committed,to demonstrate at the present time His righteousness, that He might be just and the justifier of the one who has faith in Jesus. - Romans 3:21-26 http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Romans3:21-26&version=NKJV
Yep, the righteousness of God, which can't include sin, BTW.
If folks imagine themselves righteous while they murder, steal, and lie, they are just deceived.
How come your faith doesn't keep you free from sinning?
"Let us therefore, as many as be perfect, be thus minded"
You're gonna have to explain how that means that we're already perfect, when Paul is saying we should be "perfect minded."
The prior verse was the point of the "thus".
It is written..."I press toward the mark for the prize of the high calling of God in Christ Jesus." (Phil 3:14)
Keep at it, and win in the end.
Perfect..... in Christ Jesus!
NOT "perfect in and of ourselves"!
It's not WE that are perfect! IT'S CHRIST! His righteousness is imputed upon us in Him.
We are righteous because HE is righteous, while our righteousness is as filthy rags!
If we are IN Christ Jesus, there can be no sin in us, as there is no sin in Christ...even though countless doctrines try to make it happen.
If we are in Christ, we are as righteous as He is righteous.
As it is written..."He that saith he abideth in him ought himself also so to walk, even as he walked." (1 John 2:6)
Do you say you are in Christ?
What shall we say then? Shall we continue in sin that grace may abound?Certainly not! How shall we who died to sin live any longer in it? - Romans 6:1-2 http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Romans6:1-2&version=NKJV
What we're saying is that even if we DO sin, it's covered by God's grace!
That's all I needed! There's no way in the world Hoping is half as clever as needed to be the one who came up with that idiotic quip. That's just a parroting of something his teachers have said. Meaning that he isn't ignorant of the gospel, he simply doesn't believe it.
Hoping, you are not a Christian. You are not resting in Christ's finished work but are relying on your own righteousness. Unless you repent, you're going to be cleaning your own dirty laundry. You are going to be shocked at just how filthy your supposed sinless perfection is when you stand before the judge of all creation.
That would take several weeks of dedicated Bible study that doesn't fit in a single post on a forum. You'd be better off just reading Bob Enyart's The Plot.
Or, just read the entire Old Testament.
So the BOC, while not free from sin, will receive eternal life
Your straw man not withstanding, no. Try reading the following passage free of your a priori beliefs.
Or do you not know, brethren (for I speak to those who know the law), that the law has dominion over a man as long as he lives?For the woman who has a husband is bound by the law to her husband as long as he lives. But if the husband dies, she is released from the law of her husband.So then if, while her husband lives, she marries another man, she will be called an adulteress; but if her husband dies, she is free from that law, so that she is no adulteress, though she has married another man.Therefore, my brethren, you also have become dead to the law through the body of Christ, that you may be married to another—to Him who was raised from the dead, that we should bear fruit to God.For when we were in the flesh, the sinful passions which were aroused by the law were at work in our members to bear fruit to death.But now we have been delivered from the law, having died to what we were held by, so that we should serve in the newness of the Spirit and not in the oldness of the letter.What shall we say then? Is the law sin? Certainly not! On the contrary, I would not have known sin except through the law. For I would not have known covetousness unless the law had said, “You shall not covet.”But sin, taking opportunity by the commandment, produced in me all manner of evil desire. For apart from the law sin was dead.I was alive once without the law, but when the commandment came, sin revived and I died.And the commandment, which was to bring life, I found to bring death.For sin, taking occasion by the commandment, deceived me, and by it killed me.Therefore the law is holy, and the commandment holy and just and good.Has then what is good become death to me? Certainly not! But sin, that it might appear sin, was producing death in me through what is good, so that sin through the commandment might become exceedingly sinful.For we know that the law is spiritual, but I am carnal, sold under sin.For what I am doing, I do not understand. For what I will to do, that I do not practice; but what I hate, that I do.If, then, I do what I will not to do, I agree with the law that it is good.But now, it is no longer I who do it, but sin that dwells in me.For I know that in me (that is, in my flesh) nothing good dwells; for to will is present with me, but how to perform what is good I do not find.For the good that I will to do, I do not do; but the evil I will not to do, that I practice.Now if I do what I will not to do, it is no longer I who do it, but sin that dwells in me.I find then a law, that evil is present with me, the one who wills to do good.For I delight in the law of God according to the inward man.But I see another law in my members, warring against the law of my mind, and bringing me into captivity to the law of sin which is in my members.O wretched man that I am! Who will deliver me from this body of death?I thank God—through Jesus Christ our Lord! So then, with the mind I myself serve the law of God, but with the flesh the law of sin. - Romans 7:1-25 http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Romans7:1-25&version=NKJV
Paul is telling us that even though we are saved, we still remain at war with the flesh, because we are not rid of it.
Of course not, as there is no sin in Christ.
Neither is there any sin in God,
"Love God" and "love your neighbor" are commands, law. For the people of the law, this is to be expected, for as Christ explained:
Jesus said to him, “‘You shall love the Lord your God with all your heart, with all your soul, and with all your mind.’This is the first and great commandment.And the second is like it: ‘You shall love your neighbor as yourself.’On these two commandments hang all the Law and the Prophets.” - Matthew 22:37-40 http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Matthew22:37-40&version=NKJV
The promises God made to Israel were only for Israel. If a Gentile, prior to Acts 9, wanted to partake in Israels corporate relationship with God, they had to circumcise and become a proselyte Jew. (Circumcision is a symbol of the law.)
On the other hand, after Paul's conversion (remember, he was a Jew), anyone who wanted to enter into a relationship with God did not (and even could not, since the New Covenant was put on hold) could do so without having to circumcise, meaning they did not have to place themselves under Israel's laws.
That sort of doctrine allows the Hitlers and Putins of the world to claim they are Christians.
For someone who preaches that they are incapable of sinning anymore, it's hilarious that you bring this up.
"Remission" doesn't mean something is completely gone.
It means that it's reduced!
If someone has cancer, and through treatment it starts to go into remission, it doesn't mean that the cancer leaves their body, it just means that they are no longer in danger of it taking over their body, the doctor still has to check on them for many years, to make sure it doesn't come back.
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In the same way, "remission of sins" doesn't mean that sin is eliminated, it means that the effects of sin are reduced, it means that one won't sin as often.
The "original message" was that Israel would have a kingdom ruled by Christ, with the Twelve Apostles sitting on Twelve thrones ruling over the Twelve tribes of Israel, a nation.
But the mystery revealed by Paul is that of an organism, one with many members, a new creature.
Things that are different are not the same.
It is a dispensation for all believers. Jew and Gentile.
You're still conflating the New Covenant with the gospel of grace.
Again: In the New Covenant, there is Jew and Gentile, and the distinction is important, so important that the entire nation's history (and the world's, for that matter) revolves around the difference! However, under the dispensation of the grace of God, in the Body of Christ there is neither Jew nor Greek, slave nor free. As Paul says:
For you are all sons of God through faith in Christ Jesus.For as many of you as were baptized into Christ have put on Christ.There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither slave nor free, there is neither male nor female; for you are all one in Christ Jesus.And if you are Christ’s, then you are Abraham’s seed, and heirs according to the promise. - Galatians 3:26-29 http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Galatians3:26-29&version=NKJV
The dispensation of grace to live in harmony with God...
Christians WON'T "bring sin along with them"! THAT'S THE ENTIRE POINT OF THE GOSPEL OF GRACE! THAT'S THE ENTIRE POINT OF CHRIST GOING TO THE CROSS! When we as Christians sin, it's STILL covered by how gracious God is! No matter how many times we sin while in a relationship with Him, God has STILL FORGIVEN, PAST TENSE, US of ALL our sins!
It's what I mean by saying "our identity is in Christ!" We are no longer identified as sinners, but as saints!
Rather, the "Jewish faithful and unfaithful" have nothing to do with the Body of Christ, but rather the New Covenant.
Those "Jewish faithful" were so because they believed Christ was their Messiah, that He was to be their King, even and especially after being crucified, then rising again on the third day, even to the end of their lives. These Jews are known as the "Remnant."
The "Jewish unfaithful" rejected Him, and because Israel as a whole rejected Him, the unbelieving portion of the nation
of Israel was cut off, to be grafted back on again whenever she returns to her Messiah.
You're conflating believing Jews under the New Covenant with believers who are neither Jew nor Gentile in the Body of Christ. Paul, in that verse, was talking about the latter, not the former.
So the founders of the faith are not even Christians?
They are the TWELVE Apostles who will rule on TWELVE thrones over the TWELVE tribes of Israel. Their salvation is of the New Covenant, not the gospel of grace.
Those who entered into a covenant relationship with God under the New Covenant didn't need to enter into a second relationship with Him through the gospel of grace, and were told to remain faithful to the end under the New Covenant.
Also, Paul warned those in the Body of Christ that if they put themselves under the law then they would become cursed to keep that law.
No, you're not. You need to humble yourself and ask God for forgiveness, and place your trust in Him and his righteousness, and not yourself and your own righteousness.
Now I say this, that each of you says, “I am of Paul,” or “I am of Apollos,” or “I am of Cephas,” or “I am of Christ.”Is Christ divided? Was Paul crucified for you? Or were you baptized in the name of Paul? - 1 Corinthians 1:12-13 http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=1Corinthians1:12-13&version=NKJV
Do not lie to one another, since you have put off the old man with his deeds,and have put on the new man who is renewed in knowledge according to the image of Him who created him,where there is neither Greek nor Jew, circumcised nor uncircumcised, barbarian, Scythian, slave nor free, but Christ is all and in all. - Colossians 3:9-11 http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Colossians3:9-11&version=NKJV
Rom 11:24..."For if thou wert cut out of the olive tree which is wild by nature, and wert grafted contrary to nature into a good olive tree: how much more shall these, which be the natural branches, be grafted into their own olive tree?"
Many people misunderstand and think that the gentiles are grafted into Israel, but that's not what the analogy Paul uses describes.
Israel are the branches on the olive tree, not the trunk. The wild branch (believers in the Body of Christ) wasn't grafted onto another branch, it was grafted onto the trunk, who is Christ!
It is written..."What shall we say then? Shall we continue in sin, that grace may abound?
2 God forbid. How shall we, that are dead to sin, live any longer therein?
3 Know ye not, that so many of us as were baptized into Jesus Christ were baptized into his death?
4 Therefore we are buried with him by baptism into death: that like as Christ was raised up from the dead by the glory of the Father, even so we also should walk in newness of life.
5 For if we have been planted together in the likeness of his death, we shall be also in the likeness of his resurrection:
6 Knowing this, that our old man is crucified with him, that the body of sin might be destroyed, that henceforth we should not serve sin.
7 For he that is dead is freed from sin."
I was baptized, immersed into the death of Jesus, and into His burial.
Having done that, I was also raised with Christ to walk in newness of life.
A new creature who was born again of the seed of God and no longer under the limitations of Adam's seed.
Dead, and alive again in Christ.
I find then a law, that evil is present with me, the one who wills to do good.For I delight in the law of God according to the inward man.But I see another law in my members, warring against the law of my mind, and bringing me into captivity to the law of sin which is in my members.O wretched man that I am! Who will deliver me from this body of death?I thank God—through Jesus Christ our Lord! So then, with the mind I myself serve the law of God, but with the flesh the law of sin. - Romans 7:21-25 http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Romans7:21-25&version=NKJV
Again, it doesn't make any sense to tell someone who is incapable of sin to not sin.
Yep, the righteousness of God, which can't include sin, BTW.
If folks imagine themselves righteous while they murder, steal, and lie, they are just deceived.
Begging the question. You have not established that faith can keep one free from sinning.
The prior verse was the point of the "thus".
It is written..."I press toward the mark for the prize of the high calling of God in Christ Jesus." (Phil 3:14)
I find then a law, that evil is present with me, the one who wills to do good.For I delight in the law of God according to the inward man.But I see another law in my members, warring against the law of my mind, and bringing me into captivity to the law of sin which is in my members.O wretched man that I am! Who will deliver me from this body of death?I thank God—through Jesus Christ our Lord! So then, with the mind I myself serve the law of God, but with the flesh the law of sin. - Romans 7:21-25 http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Romans7:21-25&version=NKJV
If we are in Christ, His righteousness is imputed to us. We are MADE righteous, justified, not because we ourselves are righteous (our righteousness is as filthy rags), but because Christ is righteous.
As it is written..."He that saith he abideth in him ought himself also so to walk, even as he walked." (1 John 2:6)
That's one of the litmus tests for seeing who actually preaches the gospel! If you aren't being accused of telling people it's fine to sin, that grace may abound, then you're not actually preaching what Paul taught, because it's almost like he's actually saying that! But he's not. He's saying that you shouldn't sin, but if you do, it's already been forgiven.
As per your POV, freedom from sin is just for Jews,
No, as per my position, freedom from SERVING sin is for the Jews under the New Covenant.
Remember, the law given to Israel accounted for the fact that people were going to sin, and had ways for people who DID break the law, to become right with God, through sacrifices and rituals.
Under the New Covenant, Christ WAS the sacrifice.
so the only ones who could ever be free are not Gentiles.
It's saying that God's grace and love for us is greater than our sin, that He met the demands for justice by dying on the cross FOR US!:
For when we were still without strength, in due time Christ died for the ungodly.For scarcely for a righteous man will one die; yet perhaps for a good man someone would even dare to die.But God demonstrates His own love toward us, in that while we were still sinners, Christ died for us.Much more then, having now been justified by His blood, we shall be saved from wrath through Him.For if when we were enemies we were reconciled to God through the death of His Son, much more, having been reconciled, we shall be saved by His life.And not only that, but we also rejoice in God through our Lord Jesus Christ, through whom we have now received the reconciliation. - Romans 5:6-11 http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Romans5:6-11&version=NKJV
And that's the full extent of the substance Hoping is capable of. Pathetic. How can anyone trust their eternal soul to something so pathetically shallow?
Actually, this is only slightly lower than the average level of rationality and substance produced by all but a small handful of people on this website.
