SaulToPaul 2
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He hasn't a clue.
ECT Two Gospels Preached During The Acts Period
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He hasn't a clue.
Jerry Shugart
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The Greek word translated "Grecians" means "employed in the N.T. of Jews born in foreign lands and speaking Greek, [Grecian Jews]...(Thayer's Greek English Lexicon).
What do you think is the reason why these scattered disciples of the Lord Jesus did not preach a gospel to the Gentiles? After all, this would have been an ideal situation to spread the gospel of Christ to them.
Why didn't they?
Jerry Shugart
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Of course you never defend what you say on your posts so i will not expect an answer from you.
Nonetheless, I will ask you a question so others can see if you are willing to answer it.
Why should anyone think that the gospel (good news) of Christ which declares that the Lord Jesus died for our sins is the same gospel (good news) of Christ which declares that Jesus is the Christ, the Son of God?
1Mind1Spirit
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1Mind1Spirit
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What is meant by pulling a verse out of context and using that verse to support a false doctrine?
Acts 11: 18-26: "18. When they heard these things, they held their peace, and glorified God, saying, Then hath God also to the Gentiles granted repentance unto life.
19. Now they which were scattered abroad upon the persecution that arose about Stephen travelled as far as Phenice, and Cyprus, and Antioch, preaching the word to none but unto the Jews only.
20. And some of them were men of Cyprus and Cyrene, which, when they were come to Antioch, spake unto the Grecians, preaching the Lord Jesus.
21. And the hand of the Lord was with them: and a great number believed, and turned unto the Lord.
22. Then tidings of these things came unto the ears of the church which was in Jerusalem: and they sent forth Barnabas, that he should go as far as Antioch.
23. Who, when he came, and had seen the grace of God, was glad, and exhorted them all, that with purpose of heart they would cleave unto the Lord.
24. For he was a good man, and full of the Holy Ghost and of faith: and much people was added unto the Lord.
25. Then departed Barnabas to Tarsus, for to seek Saul:
26. And when he had found him, he brought him unto Antioch. And it came to pass, that a whole year they assembled themselves with the church, and taught much people. And the disciples were called Christians first in Antioch."
The verse which is pulled out of context to support a false doctrine, that all the Jews who believed and were scattered after the persecution by Saul of the Jerusalem congregation gave the Gospel only to the Jews is Acts 11: 19, "Now they which were scattered abroad upon the persecution that arose about Stephen travelled as far as Phenice, and Cyprus, and Antioch, preaching the word to none but unto the Jews only."
But the very next verse, Acts 11: 20 says "And some of them were men of Cyprus and Cyrene, which, when they were come to Antioch, spake unto the Grecians, preaching the Lord Jesus."
Some of the Jews who believed and were in Jerusalem who were from Cyprus and Cyrene came to Antioch in Syria and there preached the Gospel to the Greeks. This is part of the context which makes it impossible to honestly pull Acts 11: 19 out and hold it up as supporting the doctrine that the Jews of the Jerusalem congregation preached only to the Jews.
And the Jews of the Jerusalem congregation sent on of their people - Barnabas - to see Saul-Paul at Tarsus. And Paul and Barnabas went to Antioch and together preached the Gospel there. This implies that the disagreement between the doctrines taught by the Jerusalem Jewish congregation and that taught by Paul with Barnabas was not so great that Paul could not work with Barnabas in teaching the Gospel. Yet the issue in Acts 15 raised by the Pharisees who believed and insisted that all Christians be circumcised did seriously divide those Pharisees from Paul and his crew. We are not told the details of what Peter and John thought about the circumcision issue of Acts 15.
A second example of pulling a verse out of context to support a doctrine inconsistent with the context is the use of Romans 11: 1-2, that God has not cast away his people. In the context of Romans 11: 1-5 verses 1-2 are to be interpreted to mean that God did not cast away all his people, of the bloodline. Those not cast away were the remnant of his people. Pulling Romans 11: 1-2 out of the content to support the doctrine that the multitude of Old Covenant Israel were made the elect of God, as was the remnant, is false.
Acts 11: 18-26: "18. When they heard these things, they held their peace, and glorified God, saying, Then hath God also to the Gentiles granted repentance unto life.
19. Now they which were scattered abroad upon the persecution that arose about Stephen travelled as far as Phenice, and Cyprus, and Antioch, preaching the word to none but unto the Jews only.
20. And some of them were men of Cyprus and Cyrene, which, when they were come to Antioch, spake unto the Grecians, preaching the Lord Jesus.
21. And the hand of the Lord was with them: and a great number believed, and turned unto the Lord.
22. Then tidings of these things came unto the ears of the church which was in Jerusalem: and they sent forth Barnabas, that he should go as far as Antioch.
23. Who, when he came, and had seen the grace of God, was glad, and exhorted them all, that with purpose of heart they would cleave unto the Lord.
24. For he was a good man, and full of the Holy Ghost and of faith: and much people was added unto the Lord.
25. Then departed Barnabas to Tarsus, for to seek Saul:
26. And when he had found him, he brought him unto Antioch. And it came to pass, that a whole year they assembled themselves with the church, and taught much people. And the disciples were called Christians first in Antioch."
The verse which is pulled out of context to support a false doctrine, that all the Jews who believed and were scattered after the persecution by Saul of the Jerusalem congregation gave the Gospel only to the Jews is Acts 11: 19, "Now they which were scattered abroad upon the persecution that arose about Stephen travelled as far as Phenice, and Cyprus, and Antioch, preaching the word to none but unto the Jews only."
But the very next verse, Acts 11: 20 says "And some of them were men of Cyprus and Cyrene, which, when they were come to Antioch, spake unto the Grecians, preaching the Lord Jesus."
Some of the Jews who believed and were in Jerusalem who were from Cyprus and Cyrene came to Antioch in Syria and there preached the Gospel to the Greeks. This is part of the context which makes it impossible to honestly pull Acts 11: 19 out and hold it up as supporting the doctrine that the Jews of the Jerusalem congregation preached only to the Jews.
And the Jews of the Jerusalem congregation sent on of their people - Barnabas - to see Saul-Paul at Tarsus. And Paul and Barnabas went to Antioch and together preached the Gospel there. This implies that the disagreement between the doctrines taught by the Jerusalem Jewish congregation and that taught by Paul with Barnabas was not so great that Paul could not work with Barnabas in teaching the Gospel. Yet the issue in Acts 15 raised by the Pharisees who believed and insisted that all Christians be circumcised did seriously divide those Pharisees from Paul and his crew. We are not told the details of what Peter and John thought about the circumcision issue of Acts 15.
A second example of pulling a verse out of context to support a doctrine inconsistent with the context is the use of Romans 11: 1-2, that God has not cast away his people. In the context of Romans 11: 1-5 verses 1-2 are to be interpreted to mean that God did not cast away all his people, of the bloodline. Those not cast away were the remnant of his people. Pulling Romans 11: 1-2 out of the content to support the doctrine that the multitude of Old Covenant Israel were made the elect of God, as was the remnant, is false.
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Jerry was talking about this:
Acts 11:19 (KJV)
(11:19) Now they which were scattered abroad upon the persecution that arose about Stephen travelled as far as Phenice, and Cyprus, and Antioch, preaching the word to none but unto the Jews only.
Your Bible knowledge is non-existent.
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Talk about "context".... you read your BIAS into the text.
The Word of God does NOT say "gospel" in Act 11:19. That is YOU injecting YOUR ideas into the TEXT and perverting what it actually means.
Acts 11:19 (KJV)
(11:19) Now they which were scattered abroad upon the persecution that arose about Stephen travelled as far as Phenice, and Cyprus, and Antioch, preaching the word to none but unto the Jews only.
What was THE WORD that they were preaching?
HINT: It was NOT the gospel of the grace of God.
It was The Kingdom Gospel.
He THINKS he knows something, therefore, he best not think and spend his time at something else he's good at.
The Apostle Paul was the first one to preach The Grace Gospel, given to him by the ascended Lord Jesus Christ. Up until then, only The Kingdom Gospel was being preached to the Jews.
The Kingdom Gospel was being taught only to the Jews. Christ's earthly ministry was devoted to preaching The Kingdom Gospel to the Jews only. The same for the other Apostles. Then came forth Paul to preach The Grace Gospel, first to the Jew, then, to the Gentiles. Thus, he became The Apostle to the Gentiles.
Unless one can "Rightly Divide" the word, they will remain ignorant of this truth.
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It was the word that they had heard. :chuckle:
Amen!
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Lest anyone should be confused, The Grace Gospel is the ONLY Gospel being preached today. It includes both Jew and Gentile alike. The Kingdom Gospel no longer exists. Anyone, Jew or Gentile who hears the Grace Gospel and puts all their faith in Christ become a member of The Body of Christ and a Child of God.
Interplanner
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Thanks for your ponderings Jerry, but there never was a kingdom Gospel. Or it is realized in Christ, Col.1 as intended.
You think the Bible has 2P2P, which is a disease. It does not.
It was "known for ages" that the gospel event would finally happen and draw all men unto God, raising David's fallen tent, Acts 15 on Amos 9.
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You show off your stupidity more with every post.
What do you think that "the gospel of the kingdom" means?
Someone, like yourself, should keep their mouth shut so that everyone won't know that dumb things that you think.
:ha:
1Mind1Spirit
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Better get down off that pedestal boy, lest you fall and cut yerself on them thar scissors.