toldailytopic: Theistic evolution: best arguments for, or against.
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But the fact remains. The guy is a YE creationist, and he's asserting "life ex nihilo." Just what you claim YECs don't do.
No amount of dancing is going to change that. If you were to say "well, some YE creationists don't accept "life ex nihilo", then you wouldn't have anyone questioning your honesty.
But denial isn't doing you any good.
The Oxford Engish dictionary has an entry for it:
ex nihilo
Pronunciation: /ˈeks ˈnē(h)əlō, ˈnī(h)əlō/
adverb
formal
out of nothing: the fashioning of life ex nihilo by God
Ex Nihilo is Latin for "out of nothing." The Bible teaches that God spoke and created life "Ex Nihilo."
http://discoverlife.net/ministries/youth-ministry
It's just a false doctrine preached by YECs.
One Eyed Jack
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No, Barbarian. You posted a link that refuted your own claim.
That's not what he's saying Barbarian. Go back and read the link. It's a quiz. You referenced a true-false question. The answer is false. Whoever made this quiz is claiming that life ex-nihilo is false, not true.
You failed. Try again, or give it up. But remember -- blogs don't count.
First of all, this a link to a Christian ministry, not a YEC organization. Secondly, you conveniently left out rest of the quote.
Isn't that called quote-mining? I can think of a few other things to call it, as well.
Barbarian observes:
But the fact remains.
Stamping your foot and insisting isn't going to help you. I showed you a number of sites, in which YECs assert life ex nihilo. Don't blame me, deal with them.
The guy is a YE creationist, and he's asserting "life ex nihilo." Just what you claim YECs don't do.
If so, what about the others?
One is an Oxford dictionary entry defining the doctrine. And two are from YE creationists asserting life ex nihilo. Precisely what you denied.
Ex Nihilo is Latin for "out of nothing." The Bible teaches that God spoke and created life "Ex Nihilo."
http://discoverlife.net/ministries/youth-ministry
I don't think denial will help, Jack. If you want to claim that you don't believe it, that's one thing. But I've shown you that other YECs do believe it, and proclaim it on the net. Why is so hard for you to admit it? You don't have to believe it that way. If you don't want to go the full YEC way, it doesn't hurt anything. I'll be happy to agree that some of you don't believe in life ex nihilo. And if you really don't, then you're no more in conflict with scripture than theistic evolution is.
Learn from it.
If they have a statement from a YE blogger, they do. Remember, it's what YECs believe.
But the fact remains.
Stamping your foot and insisting isn't going to help you. I showed you a number of sites, in which YECs assert life ex nihilo. Don't blame me, deal with them.
The guy is a YE creationist, and he's asserting "life ex nihilo." Just what you claim YECs don't do.
If so, what about the others?
One is an Oxford dictionary entry defining the doctrine. And two are from YE creationists asserting life ex nihilo. Precisely what you denied.
Ex Nihilo is Latin for "out of nothing." The Bible teaches that God spoke and created life "Ex Nihilo."
http://discoverlife.net/ministries/youth-ministry
I don't think denial will help, Jack. If you want to claim that you don't believe it, that's one thing. But I've shown you that other YECs do believe it, and proclaim it on the net. Why is so hard for you to admit it? You don't have to believe it that way. If you don't want to go the full YEC way, it doesn't hurt anything. I'll be happy to agree that some of you don't believe in life ex nihilo. And if you really don't, then you're no more in conflict with scripture than theistic evolution is.
Learn from it.
If they have a statement from a YE blogger, they do. Remember, it's what YECs believe.
jeffblue101
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Barbarian is just Googling and pasting links in order to save face. He can't cite any YEC organization or Historical reference that supports his position. All the citations seem to off the cuff or uniformed remarks about Ex-nihilo creation.
One Eyed Jack
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Is the Oxford dictionary published by Young Earth Creationists?
I've told you -- blogs don't count. And whoever made that quiz was asserting no such thing.
You haven't given any evidence at all that this is a YEC organization. And by leaving off the rest of the quote, you're presenting their message out of context. That's called equivocation, Barbarian. You should know better than that.
I've come across YECs who believe God put fossils in the ground to test our faith. That's not something many YECs believe, but a few have some crackpot ideas like that. You're trying to present them as mainstream, and that's dishonest.
I would never present YECs as mainstream. They are a small offshoot of Christianity, and don't represent the norm at all.
But as you see, the YEC doctrine of life ex nihilo is still advocated by YECs. Apprently not all of you. But it's easy enough to find on the net, isn''t it?
But as you see, the YEC doctrine of life ex nihilo is still advocated by YECs. Apprently not all of you. But it's easy enough to find on the net, isn''t it?
some other dude
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barbie, you have a whole bunch of YEC's right here.
Instead of telling them what some other people on the internet think, why don't you ask them what they think?
Instead of telling them what some other people on the internet think, why don't you ask them what they think?
I notice they went from not wanting to talk about it, to denying they ever believed it. Which is fine with me. If they wan't to dissent from that part of it, more power to them.
Well, the argument seemed to be that YECs don't think like that. Clearly, some of them think so strongly enough to put it on the web for others.
some other dude
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That may be your take on it.
I saw it as more of a kind gesture to ignore the befuddled old guy who doesn't have a clue what he's raving about. :idunno:
Well, they'd be in a position to know better than you. :idunno:
Go argue with them. :idunno:
eameece
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And the Bible doesn't rule out evolution. Pretty fair bargain I'd say. Why don't the fanatics accept it?
eameece
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No, Mary evolved millions of years in Jesus' womb!
remember, before Abraham was, I am.
That means you too
And of course, it also means dinosaurs.
eameece
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The plants would not have been there at all, since they would have had no leaves or anything else. Plants do not exist in the first place without the Sun. Unless you want to add another miracle to your explanation.
But since it was always about as strong as it is now, we would not have plants today then; they would have burned to a crisp.
Where did that original "light" from days 1-3 go? It's not there anymore, evidently. What did God do with it?
Did God create the light (or "let" it be), and then plants, and then coalesced the light into the Sun within a few days of creating the plants? I guess you could say that, nonsense though it obviously is.
Maybe that's why the second version of the story is different. So you believe one story, and not the other. It ain't easy being a literalist YE believer. And in your case, it takes a certain degree of intelligence to be stupid. A common situation among Americans today, especially Republicans like you.
eameece
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Even assuming they are capable of such a thing. In the case of dinosaurs, well...
eameece
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If god did not create these things ex nihilo, then something must have existed before the first day, even though it is called "In the beginning" (you know, the first words of the Bible, I'm sure ya remember...)
eameece
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Unlike you, you never make any effort at all to conduct an intelligent conversation.
eameece
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I think the answer is obvious. (think??? they???) :chuckle:
No, I think it is clear now that Barbarian's dishonesty trumps his ailing mind. His ailing mind led him to post a YEC with the correct answer as support for his red herring. But instead of showing a little humility and retracting his nonsense challenge, he's chosen to work overtime at putting as many posts as possible between him and his mistake.
:chuckle:
So if i quote a blog from someone who is a stark crazy loon that happens to believe in old earth evolution theory, then i can claim you all believe that???????
And you have a scientific mind with logic like that??????
One Eyed Jack
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I'm sure we could find some evolutionary blog by an atheist who denies the existence of God. Then we could ridicule The Barbarian for not fully embracing the evolutionary mindset.
But then again, I think I'd feel pretty sleazy adopting that sort of tactic. I've gotta live with myself, after all.