Son of Jack
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Was Jesus encouraging people to break the first commandment by allowing people to worship Him?
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Was Jesus encouraging people to break the first commandment by allowing people to worship Him?
Son of Jack
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3 distinct persons that are God != only one true God.
So, according to your theology, 3.
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So, am I a polytheist kmo?
keypurr
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He came to glorify his Father.
Jesus said "Why call me good, only the father is good."
However being the King of Israel, custom says to worship him.
But that is a long story that you would not understand.
3 distinct persons that are God != only one true God.
So, according to your theology, 3.
There is only one being/nature/substance of God. There are not 3 beings/gods/substances (that would be Mormonism).
You are thinking in terms of finite persons and finite false gods, not the one true triune God.
He is one in one sense, but 3 in another sense. You confuse nature and personal distinctions.
I suspect you don't even have a formulated doctrine of God based on your confusion.
csuguy
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The trinity is simply a model for God developed by theologians in an attempt to explain the relationship between Christ and the Father. It has some scriptural support, but most "support" is taken out of context or else they resort to eisegesis. It is not the "historical" position of Christianity as is popularly preached by those who haven't studied early Christianity, and there is no support for the idea that it is "revelation" as others claim.
I don't believe the trinity but support the more scriptural and historical view that Christ is the Son of God, that he is subserviant to God, that his power and authority are GIVEN to him from God, and that the only true God is the Father (and Jesus is not the Father). Jesus is the Logos, the Wisdom of God, the first created being through whom all else was made. The Logos is in the image of the Father, his representative.
I don't believe the trinity but support the more scriptural and historical view that Christ is the Son of God, that he is subserviant to God, that his power and authority are GIVEN to him from God, and that the only true God is the Father (and Jesus is not the Father). Jesus is the Logos, the Wisdom of God, the first created being through whom all else was made. The Logos is in the image of the Father, his representative.
csuguy
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Ancient, condemned heresy of Arianism.
The belief that Christ is not God, but his Son, is a historic position that precedes Arius and is found in various 1st and 2nd century forms of Christianity.
Besides, "heresy" doesn't mean anything except that the "orthodox" church at some point claimed that these other groups were distorting the truth. But all gave that title to the other groups (and there were LOTS of early Christian groups, it was as diverse if not more so than Christianity today), and so everyone was a heretic to everyone else - just like today
But if you have so much faith in what the "orthodox" claimed is correct and what they claimed to be heretical - then hurry up and become a Catholic.
Son of Jack
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It says NO such thing. The king was supposed to be held to the Law as well. Go and read Deuteronomy 18. That was the ideal. The Israelites did not worship David or Solomon or any other king.
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I don't have many formulated doctrines at all because I've found most formulated doctrines are weak. That includes the trinity which you try to explain using lots of theological jargon.
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Doesn't applying the title "King of Israel" to Jesus contradict John 6:15?
What if you could divide yourself into three beings, each fully you in purpose, intelligence, and all the other things that make you "you," yet separate in action. With humans, this is a dangerous proposition because we can't even trust ourselves.
But God is pure and unchanging in His character. He could do this and all three would be fully Him, yet also separate; able to submit to the Father, be manifested in the flesh and dwell in the hearts of men.
Philippians 2:5-7 Let this mind be in you which was also in Christ Jesus, who, being in the form of God, did not consider it robbery to be equal with God, but made Himself of no reputation, taking the form of a bondservant, and coming in the likeness of men.
But God is pure and unchanging in His character. He could do this and all three would be fully Him, yet also separate; able to submit to the Father, be manifested in the flesh and dwell in the hearts of men.
Philippians 2:5-7 Let this mind be in you which was also in Christ Jesus, who, being in the form of God, did not consider it robbery to be equal with God, but made Himself of no reputation, taking the form of a bondservant, and coming in the likeness of men.
Exactly. The Word is the Son, the Creator, the Farther, the Holy Spirit, Grace, the dwelling of God in the human heart.
keypurr
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Lot "worshiped" the two strangers who looked like normal travelers as they entered
Sodom (Gen. 19:1).
Abraham "worshipped" the Gentile leaders of the land where he lived (Gen. 23:7).
Jacob "worshipped" his older brother Esau (Gen. 33:3).
Joseph's brothers "worshipped" him (Gen. 43:26).
Ruth "worshipped" Boaz (Ruth 2:10).
David "worshipped" Jonathan (1 Sam. 20:41).
David "worshipped" King Saul (1 Sam. 24:8).
Mephibosheth fell on his face and "worshipped" David (2 Sam. 9:6).
Abigail "worshipped" David the outlaw (1 Sam 25:23, 41).
The whole congregation "worshipped" the King (1 Chron. 9:20).
keypurr
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Not at all. They did not understand what the King of Israel was supposed to be.
keypurr
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Note other translations of the same verse.
The majority of Bibles including the NAB, NASB, NRSV, NIV, and The Amplified Bible, just to name a few, interpret it as:
"Who though he was in the form of God, did not regard equality with God something to be grasped."
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