I think this is part of why we differ. I don't want a hard conservative third party. I want a strong moderate coalition with certain conservative principles and a few liberal ones in play. So your win isn't really my win, except where it overlaps, like on abortion.
Nah, that honor belongs to Dubya. :first:
You might be right on that one. Although it's hard to know for sure since he said nothing at all remotely related to the subject; only what his surrogates centuries later said.
Jesus said nothing about those things.
Quite untrue, As Maher points out; turn the other cheek kinda obliterates that idea.
I don't know your views on abortion. I honestly don't know what you think about Jesus.
Jesus is God, and so He has said a great deal about all 3. Frankly, I don't really give a crap what worm food like you thinks anyway. Your worthless ideas will be as dead as you are in a few years.
Seeing as how God had something to say on the matter of killing those who do not deserve to die I'm going to say Jesus agreed.
But God did. See above.
This is also false. Bill Maher is an idiot; he rejects the Bible based solely on what he thinks it says, or what others claim it does. For instance he rejects the idea of Satan based on the image of the red-skinned, horned guy with the trident and a tail, possibly goat legs and maybe wings. He clearly has no idea how Satan is described in the Bible.
He said to pay your taxes, something you guys don't like doing, or don't want to do. These days, paying taxes includes paying for helping the hungry. I know you guys believe in the principle of self-responsibility. That's good, but I don't know where Jesus taught that in the form you guys state it. His emphasis was on helping those who are less fortunate, not telling them to get some money from their father and start a business. Welfare and medicaid are not dependency programs. They are social insurance programs, so that if something happens to you, you don't have to rely on charity alone. Some people think it's better if there is not such social insurance programs. Others think they help people, and might help themselves and their family if the need arises, often through no fault of their own.
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When Jesus said to turn the other cheek He was not speaking of what the government should do to criminals, else your argument would be that we shouldn't even imprison them, but rather let them go free and never punish them for their crimes, ever.
I guess that's what Jesus is saying too. Except that he said to respect Caesar, and that those in government authority were given their positions by heaven. But capital punishment is an abuse of that authority, because it is simply the decision to get retribution.
No I don't.
You are equating the church and/or a book with God; I'm not. It's church authorities that are outdated; God is eternal and everywhere. But it's the Church to which you turn, not God.
Why would he say not to execute them, when he had nothing to say on the subject?
No, He did not say those in authority were given their positions by Heaven. He said that the only real authority we have comes from God. It was never said that those in positions of authority do not ignore or overstep the authority given them by Him.
Because that's exactly what it is. If someone strikes you and you turn the other cheek, asking them to hit you again, it is an insult to their strength and thus their pride; because you are saying they are weak and that when they struck you it did not hurt, that it was nothing.
Who gave the commands recorded in the Bible?
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Yes he did say that. But no that doesn't mean people in authority do not overstep their positions. But there is no difference between conduct personally, and conduct as a government. Killing for retribution by a state is not turning the other cheek.
That's why it's an act of power.
People wrote them down, interpreting their inspiration from God as it came to them at that time.
Sure I can. Those in authority were appointed by God, acc. to Jesus. But to be authoritarian is to defer without question to those authorities instead of your own conscience and the light of truth within also given you by God. That is not what we do in a modern society. I'm not saying government is to be deferred to without question; only that government is legitimate. You are saying it's not; that we should not pay taxes to help those in need. I disagree; we should.
If you go only by what someone tells you the rules are, you are authoritarian. That is all I'm saying. Your religion is outdated and you defer to authority. YOu look to authority so you can punish the disobedient, rather than be inspired by Jesus to change society to make it compassionate.
Where?
You're an idiot.
Do you think it's about humility?
You're a moron.
You're a fool.
