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Paul received a different gospel from the Lord.
These are NOT the same gospel
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Right Divider
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There are a lot of references to the term "The Fifth Gospel" out on the web and most look pretty shady. Do you have more info?
musterion
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THE UNITY OF THE BODY - By A. A. Sandoz
Scripture Reading: Romans 12:5; Ephesians 4:4 David in the Psalms wrote concerning his physical body that he was, "fearfully...
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Jerry Shugart
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What does this gospel state?
Galatians 1:12
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12 For I neither received it of man, neither was I taught it, but by the revelation of Jesus Christ.
Jerry Shugart
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I agree that the Apostle Paul received the "good news"l which he preached among the Gentiles from the Lord Jesus. But what was the"gospel of the circumcision" which was fist preached to the Jews?:
"For I am not ashamed of the gospel of Christ: for it is the power of God unto salvation to every one that believeth; to the Jew first, and also to the Greek" (Ro.1:16).
What was the Gospel "good news" that was first preached to the Jews and resulted in salvation for all those Jews who believed?
"For I am not ashamed of the gospel of Christ: for it is the power of God unto salvation to every one that believeth; to the Jew first, and also to the Greek" (Ro.1:16).
What was the Gospel "good news" that was first preached to the Jews and resulted in salvation for all those Jews who believed?
Right Divider
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The "gospel of the circumcision" is roughly the same as the "gospel of the kingdom" (i.e., the kingdom that God promised to Israel). That is why, when Christ first sent the twelve apostles that will sit on twelve thrones judging the twelve tribes of Israel to preach the "gospel of the kingdom", that He sent them to Israel only. Matthew 10:5-7
That gospel has a future salvation as mentioned by Peter in 1 Peter 1:5.
The "gospel of Christ" is broader than the "gospel of the circumcision".
Jerry Shugart
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The salvation spoken of by Peter at 1 Pet.1;5 is the same salvation spoken of in the following verse by Paul;
"And that, knowing the time, that now it is high time to awake out of sleep: for now is our salvation nearer than when we believed" (Ro.3;11).
this salvation is speaking of the time when christiasn will put on immortal bodies like the body of the lord Jesus ( Phil.3;21).
The "good news" of Christ that was first preached to the Jews concerns the Lord Jesus' identity.
He told the Jews the following:
"And he said unto them, Ye are from beneath; I am from above: ye are of this world; I am not of this world. I said therefore unto you, that ye shall die in your sins: for if ye believe not that I am he, ye shall die in your sins" (Jn.8:23-240.
The Jews should have believed that he is the Son of God and the Christ. and the Jews who believed that truth were saved and given new life and saved the moment they believed. John wrote:
"And many other signs truly did Jesus in the presence of his disciples, which are not written in this book:. But these are written, that ye might believe that Jesus is the Christ, the Son of God; and that believing ye might have life through his name" (Jn.20:30[310.
The Lord Jesus also said the following to those Jews:
"“I tell you the truth, anyone who believes has eternal life" (Jn.6:47).
"And that, knowing the time, that now it is high time to awake out of sleep: for now is our salvation nearer than when we believed" (Ro.3;11).
this salvation is speaking of the time when christiasn will put on immortal bodies like the body of the lord Jesus ( Phil.3;21).
The "good news" of Christ that was first preached to the Jews concerns the Lord Jesus' identity.
He told the Jews the following:
"And he said unto them, Ye are from beneath; I am from above: ye are of this world; I am not of this world. I said therefore unto you, that ye shall die in your sins: for if ye believe not that I am he, ye shall die in your sins" (Jn.8:23-240.
The Jews should have believed that he is the Son of God and the Christ. and the Jews who believed that truth were saved and given new life and saved the moment they believed. John wrote:
"And many other signs truly did Jesus in the presence of his disciples, which are not written in this book:. But these are written, that ye might believe that Jesus is the Christ, the Son of God; and that believing ye might have life through his name" (Jn.20:30[310.
The Lord Jesus also said the following to those Jews:
"“I tell you the truth, anyone who believes has eternal life" (Jn.6:47).
Right Divider
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You are proving again that you do not understand the different between Israel and the body of Christ. Peter was writing specifically to Israel: "a chosen generation, a royal priesthood, an holy nation, a peculiar people".
The body of Christ is NOT "a royal priesthood" NOR "an holy nation".
P.S. Again you cherry-pick and connect two verses without warrant.
Jerry Shugart
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The subject we were discussing was the two different gospels and you have not said anything that contradicts what I said. all you did was ot change the subject.
With the following words of Peter in view do you not see that his salvation was already accomplished?:
"God, who knows the heart, showed that he accepted them by giving the Holy Spirit to them, just as he did to us. He did not discriminate between us and them, for he purified their hearts by faith. Now then, why do you try to test God by putting on the necks of Gentiles a yoke that neither we nor our ancestors have been able to bear? No! We believe it is through the grace of our Lord Jesus that we are saved, just as they are" (Acts 15:8-11).
With the following words of Peter in view do you not see that his salvation was already accomplished?:
"God, who knows the heart, showed that he accepted them by giving the Holy Spirit to them, just as he did to us. He did not discriminate between us and them, for he purified their hearts by faith. Now then, why do you try to test God by putting on the necks of Gentiles a yoke that neither we nor our ancestors have been able to bear? No! We believe it is through the grace of our Lord Jesus that we are saved, just as they are" (Acts 15:8-11).
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