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KingdomRose

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The entire verse says it, Keypurr. Read the entire verse as a whole.

For there are three that bear witness in heaven: the Father, the Word, and the Holy Spirit; and these three are one. - 1 John 5:7 http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=1John5:7&version=NKJV



You can't reconcile your beliefs with Scripture. You say that God did not become a man, yet ALL of John 1 says otherwise.

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In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.He was in the beginning with God.All things were made through Him, and without Him nothing was made that was made.In Him was life, and the life was the light of men.And the light shines in the darkness, and the darkness did not comprehend it.There was a man sent from God, whose name was John.This man came for a witness, to bear witness of the Light, that all through him might believe.He was not that Light, but was sent to bear witness of that Light.That was the true Light which gives light to every man coming into the world.He was in the world, and the world was made through Him, and the world did not know Him.He came to His own, and His own did not receive Him.But as many as received Him, to them He gave the right to become children of God, to those who believe in His name:who were born, not of blood, nor of the will of the flesh, nor of the will of man, but of God.And the Word became flesh and dwelt among us, and we beheld His glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father, full of grace and truth.John bore witness of Him and cried out, saying, “This was He of whom I said, ‘He who comes after me is preferred before me, for He was before me.’”And of His fullness we have all received, and grace for grace.For the law was given through Moses, but grace and truth came through Jesus Christ.No one has seen God at any time. The only begotten Son, who is in the bosom of the Father, He has declared Him.Now this is the testimony of John, when the Jews sent priests and Levites from Jerusalem to ask him, “Who are you?”He confessed, and did not deny, but confessed, “I am not the Christ.”And they asked him, “What then? Are you Elijah?” He said, “I am not.” “Are you the Prophet?” And he answered, “No.”Then they said to him, “Who are you, that we may give an answer to those who sent us? What do you say about yourself?”He said: “I am ‘The voice of one crying in the wilderness: “Make straight the way of the L ord,”’ as the prophet Isaiah said.”Now those who were sent were from the Pharisees.And they asked him, saying, “Why then do you baptize if you are not the Christ, nor Elijah, nor the Prophet?”John answered them, saying, “I baptize with water, but there stands One among you whom you do not know.It is He who, coming after me, is preferred before me, whose sandal strap I am not worthy to loose.”These things were done in Bethabara beyond the Jordan, where John was baptizing.The next day John saw Jesus coming toward him, and said, “Behold! The Lamb of God who takes away the sin of the world!This is He of whom I said, ‘After me comes a Man who is preferred before me, for He was before me.’I did not know Him; but that He should be revealed to Israel, therefore I came baptizing with water.”And John bore witness, saying, “I saw the Spirit descending from heaven like a dove, and He remained upon Him.I did not know Him, but He who sent me to baptize with water said to me, ‘Upon whom you see the Spirit descending, and remaining on Him, this is He who baptizes with the Holy Spirit.’And I have seen and testified that this is the Son of God.”Again, the next day, John stood with two of his disciples.And looking at Jesus as He walked, he said, “Behold the Lamb of God!”The two disciples heard him speak, and they followed Jesus.Then Jesus turned, and seeing them following, said to them, “What do you seek?” They said to Him, “Rabbi” (which is to say, when translated, Teacher), “where are You staying?”He said to them, “Come and see.” They came and saw where He was staying, and remained with Him that day (now it was about the tenth hour).One of the two who heard John speak, and followed Him, was Andrew, Simon Peter’s brother.He first found his own brother Simon, and said to him, “We have found the Messiah” (which is translated, the Christ).And he brought him to Jesus. Now when Jesus looked at him, He said, “You are Simon the son of Jonah. You shall be called Cephas” (which is translated, A Stone).The following day Jesus wanted to go to Galilee, and He found Philip and said to him, “Follow Me.”Now Philip was from Bethsaida, the city of Andrew and Peter.Philip found Nathanael and said to him, “We have found Him of whom Moses in the law, and also the prophets, wrote—Jesus of Nazareth, the son of Joseph.”And Nathanael said to him, “Can anything good come out of Nazareth?” Philip said to him, “Come and see.”Jesus saw Nathanael coming toward Him, and said of him, “Behold, an Israelite indeed, in whom is no deceit!”Nathanael said to Him, “How do You know me?” Jesus answered and said to him, “Before Philip called you, when you were under the fig tree, I saw you.”Nathanael answered and said to Him, “Rabbi, You are the Son of God! You are the King of Israel!”Jesus answered and said to him, “Because I said to you, ‘I saw you under the fig tree,’ do you believe? You will see greater things than these.”And He said to him, “Most assuredly, I say to you, hereafter you shall see heaven open, and the angels of God ascending and descending upon the Son of Man.” - John 1:1-51 http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=John1:1-51&version=NKJV


You are a heretic, Keypurr, You blaspheme the LORD God almighty with your comments.

Jesus became a man, and dwelt among us.
Jesus, the Father, and the Holy Spirit, these three are one.
The Father is God, the Word (Jesus) is God, and the Holy Spirit is God, but they are one God.
Therefore, God became a man, His name is "God with us."

You poor man. Don't you know YET that that verse (I John 5:7) is spurious and is known by scholars to have been added centuries after John wrote that letter? Please. Nowhere in John does it say that God became a man. It says the Word became a man, not God. Do some research on translating Greek to English. John 1:1 does not say that the Word was God Almighty.
 

KingdomRose

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What don't you get about the one and only God coming in the flesh as a Man?

What don't YOU get about the one and only God, which is the Father, stayed in heaven while His Son was on Earth? How could He be in heaven and on the earth at the same time? Was Jesus praying to himself? If he was, he was making a spectacle of himself. Have any comment on John 17:3?
 

God's Truth

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What don't YOU get about the one and only God, which is the Father, stayed in heaven while His Son was on Earth? How could He be in heaven and on the earth at the same time? Was Jesus praying to himself? If he was, he was making a spectacle of himself. Have any comment on John 17:3?

There are THREE.
 

marhig

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Heb 9:12-18 KJV
(12) Neither by the blood of goats and calves, but by his own blood he entered in once into the holy place, having obtained eternal redemption for us.
(13) For if the blood of bulls and of goats, and the ashes of an heifer sprinkling the unclean, sanctifieth to the purifying of the flesh:
(14) How much more shall the blood of Christ, who through the eternal Spirit offered himself without spot to God, purge your conscience from dead works to serve the living God?
(15) And for this cause he is the mediator of the new testament, that by means of death, for the redemption of the transgressions that were under the first testament, they which are called might receive the promise of eternal inheritance.
(16) For where a testament is, there must also of necessity be the death of the testator.
(17) For a testament is of force after men are dead: otherwise it is of no strength at all while the testator liveth.
(18) Whereupon neither the first testament was dedicated without blood.

Regarding that question, the blood is the symbol for his death. Without his death, there is no receiving the promise of eternal inheritance (verse 15). As to where this is necessary, Paul says it was absolutely necessary because of the nature and meaning of a testament (verse 16).

Marhig, don't be squeamish about embracing the blood and the cross - they are the symbols that God chose.
Nothing there says that death saves
 

marhig

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Don't be lazy and ignorant. I gave you the scriptures already. Go look for them.
Nope you haven't given me one verse that says that the death of Jesus saves us.

I believe in the blood of Christ and that it saves us, but not that death saves.

Jesus lived to save us and we are saved by his life. Just as it says in the scriptures
 

Rosenritter

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Reply to Rosenritter's post #14612:

You dismiss him why? Do you deprecate him because he disagrees with your unsupportable doctrines? Tell me...how do you interpret John 17:3 ?

I dismiss Anthony Buzzard because I am familiar with him already, from more than one occasion. Do I deprecate him because he disagrees with me? No, but I do have a little experience seeing what else he says. My unsupportable doctrines? You've entered in here picking a fight without knowing what's what. I don't try to support official Trinity doctrine. Although it may have some use, it's not a perfect model, nor do I support conformity through aggression.

Why are people ignoring your post? Because it wasn't relevant to the ongoing discussion. You weren't responding to anyone's question, and you merely slapped a wall of text from someone that won't answer any question you put to him. You used a statement and a rhetorical question, not anything that required a response.

How do I interpret John 17:3? Jesus is that True God, just as when I reach out my arm to catch my daughter from falling, I am her only father, and my arm is what I sent to catch her, and yet my arm is still very much me in every way. I interpret John 17:3 in the same context as the rest of the gospel of John, including "the Word was God" and Jesus as "My Lord and my God." I don't fight and despise God as he came to us for our benefit.
 

Rosenritter

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You poor man. Don't you know YET that that verse (I John 5:7) is spurious and is known by scholars to have been added centuries after John wrote that letter? Please. Nowhere in John does it say that God became a man. It says the Word became a man, not God. Do some research on translating Greek to English. John 1:1 does not say that the Word was God Almighty.

Kingdom Rose, all sorts of contradictory nonsense can be claimed to be "known to scholars." 1 John 5:7 may be a minority reading in the Greek text, but it is well maintained in texts of other languages and is plainly supported by both external and internal evidence. The grammar of the passage is broken without it, and its presence is well testified by ancient witnesses that far predate even the earliest manuscript at our disposal.

If you want to argue about 1 John 5:7, make it a separate topic please. I suspect that you will pick your side regardless of where the evidence lies, but perhaps an observer might benefit. Maybe do a little additional research first, even if you have to read some words from people you don't like in the process.
 

Rosenritter

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Nothing there says that death saves

You're not reading very well.

1. "Saves" means what, Marhig? Saved from death, right? (yes/no).

2. How are we saved from death? Through our eternal inheritance, eternal life? (yes/no)

3. Does Paul say that this is possible without the death of the testator? (yes/no)
 

marhig

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You're not reading very well.

1. "Saves" means what, Marhig? Saved from death, right? (yes/no).

2. How are we saved from death? Through our eternal inheritance, eternal life? (yes/no)

3. Does Paul say that this is possible without the death of the testator? (yes/no)
Brb just cooking
 

God's Truth

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Nope you haven't given me one verse that says that the death of Jesus saves us.

I believe in the blood of Christ and that it saves us, but not that death saves.

Jesus lived to save us and we are saved by his life. Just as it says in the scriptures

I have given you scriptures but you must be blind, or something else?
 

popsthebuilder

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See that, you spoke against yourself being in Christ. And, you should not ever say that you are Christ.

How do you ever get that it is wrong for a child of God to say they are saved and in Christ?
1) a thing that doesn't perceive itself as something can still be that something.

2)a thing can grow and or change/ be changed

3) you should really study the Word in regards to the lowest/ servant.
Did Jesus do his will, or the Will of GOD?

4)if you cannot see any problem with one proclaiming self to be Christ all while there works are of the opposed spirit then you are waaaaayyy deeper in the mire than I initially suspected.

It's the haughty that are to inherit the earth I guess.

Those who see themselves as wise and who have the pride of life are going to be the highest in heaven I guess.
 
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glorydaz

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All except the one pertaining to His body now at this time, which is the temple of GOD.

your answers show that the man Jesus wasn't the literal utter fullness of GOD because He wasn't omniscient. The body of Christ is not omniscient now, nor was it as He walked the earth as a man.

First off...bodies are not omniscient. That would be like claiming a tent was omniscient.

Secondly, Jesus did not stop being God when He became flesh to dwell among us.
 

Bright Raven

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First off...bodies are not omniscient. That would be like claiming a tent was omniscient.

Secondly, Jesus did not stop being God when He became flesh to dwell among us.

Correct, He set aside some of His divine attributes.

Philippians 2:5-11 King James Version (KJV)

5 Let this mind be in you, which was also in Christ Jesus:

6 Who, being in the form of God, thought it not robbery to be equal with God:

7 But made himself of no reputation, and took upon him the form of a servant, and was made in the likeness of men:

8 And being found in fashion as a man, he humbled himself, and became obedient unto death, even the death of the cross.

9 Wherefore God also hath highly exalted him, and given him a name which is above every name:

10 That at the name of Jesus every knee should bow, of things in heaven, and things in earth, and things under the earth;

11 And that every tongue should confess that Jesus Christ is Lord, to the glory of God the Father.
 
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