The Trinity

[God's Truth]

There's a deeper meaning GT I hope that one day God shows you.

Death doesn't save, life saves.

You are passive aggressive pretending to be a nice person while you pretend to hope that God shows me what I already know.

The cross offends you and is foolish to you.


1 Corinthians 1:23
but we preach Christ crucified, a stumbling block to Jews and foolishness to Gentiles,

Galatians 5:11 Brothers and sisters, if I am still preaching circumcision, why am I still being persecuted? In that case the offense of the cross has been abolished.

 

[God's Truth]

Now your just making things up.

I don't care if you don't answer my questions; it only shows your ignorance and/ or conjecture.

This is just more slander from you.

 

[God's Truth]

I am afraid that I cannot answer your question on your terms while we differ on the meaning of the word "spiritual body."



I acknowledge that God is capable of creating a physical body and then slinging around balls of mud and stone and water and comets and light at the same time in Genesis 1 but I don't see where this is explicitly stated nor implicitly required. It hardly seems like the natural reading. Thus my comment that your statement seemed "out of left field" and that I have no idea how you arrived at that conclusion.

Just address the scriptures I gave and no need to tell me what you think about me.

 

[God's Truth]

"And again, a good man might err in many things, and not be damned; so that his error were not directly against the promises that are in Christ's blood, neither that he held them maliciously ... and though all be false, yet should I not be damned, so long as I had no obstinacy therein: for the faith that I have in Christ's blood should swallow up that error, till I were better taught."

You better do something about it soon.

Matthew 7:2 For in the same way you judge others, you will be judged, and with the measure you use, it will be measured to you.

 

[God's Truth]

... have you ever looked into the source of that term, "the firstborn of all creation?" I found it referenced in a bible commentary a while back.

The scripture says he is the firstborn over all creation then the very next thing that is said is that all was made through him.

Maybe study it for yourself or find another commentator who tickles your ears?

 

[Rosenritter]

Actually, I don't NEED to do anything. I'm sure all are aware of what it takes to prove a negative. The fact is that the Bible NEVER says angels or plants or animals or sun, moon, and stars are "created in the image of God".

Genesis 1:27 So God created man in his own image, in the image of God created he him; male and female created he them.

Genesis 9:6 Whoso sheddeth man's blood, by man shall his blood be shed: for in the image of God made he man.​

Luke 24:39

And the Bible never says God is a Trinity, but you seem to be pretty set on that.

 

[God's Truth]

That Triunity thing is a nice theory, but seeing as that's what you're seeking to prove in the first place, you can't use that as support for this passage without wallowing in circular logic.

There are three. If there were not three existing at the same time, then we wouldn't be told to baptize in the three and we wouldn't be told the three live in the saved.

 

[Rosenritter]

So to you Father and Son is merely a concept.

:kookoo:

I would also consider Lamb, Rock, Lion, and Manna that came down from Heaven, and Bread of Life as concepts.

 

[God's Truth]

I've already stated that I will continue to refer to GOD as HIM for the most part for the sake of ease of communication.

Since when? You have been calling the Father 'It'.

You want to convict me though I have done nor said anything wrong; to which you even admitted.

What are you saying I admitted? If you feel convicted it is from the Holy Spirit.

I agree that GOD is generally refered to as a he in the bible. But I do not agree that we should limit GOD in any way. That is what you are doing by saying it is wrong for me to think of GOD as a Spirit. Due toGOD being such, and due to the fact that we are speaking of what is responsible for the creation and sustaining of all existence, it cannot be limited to particular symbolisms for only part of creation.

You are not supposed to go beyond what is written.

To keep from confusing others, which I do not want to do, I will make certain everyone knows I am talking about the One Creator GOD, from now on. If that doesn't appease you then tough, I'm not here to appease any but One.

I hardly think it is pleasing to God for you to call Him 'It' and to also slander me, someone He personally saved.

 

[Rosenritter]

This might be rough for you. Let's actually read what is written.
Here is the lineage from Adam (the son of God), through Seth, down to Noah.

The SONS OF GOD

Gen. 4:26 And to Seth, to him also there was born a son; and he called his name Enos: then began men to call upon the name of the Lord.

Gen. 5:Genesis 5:1-3
This is the book of the generations of Adam. In the day that God created man, in the likeness of God made he him; Male and female created he them; and blessed them, and called their name Adam, in the day when they were created. And Adam lived an hundred and thirty years, and begat a son in his own likeness, and after his image; and called his name Seth:

Luke 3:38 Which was the son of Enos, which was the son of Seth, which was the son of Adam, which was the son of God.​

CAIN "A MAN" (Daughters of men)-unequally yoked

Genesis 4:1 And Adam knew Eve his wife; and she conceived, and bare Cain, and said, I have gotten a man from the Lord.

Genesis 6:1-2
And it came to pass, when men began to multiply on the face of the earth, and daughters were born unto them, That the sons of God saw the daughters of men that they were fair; and they took them wives of all which they chose.

Genesis 4:16 And Cain went out from the presence of the Lord, and dwelt in the land of Nod, on the east of Eden.

​

I see the word Giant, but nothing about them being "significantly larger". Maybe you're thinking Rock Hudson was bigger than life in that movie with Liz Taylor. :think:

Thank you for the effort.

1. I don't see where it directly calls the sons of Seth as "sons of God."

2. But if the sons of Seth are to be implicitly considered "sons of God" then so would the sons and daughters of Cain, tracing their lineage to Adam, the "son of God" from the lineage in Luke.

3. You need to read just a little more to see about the giants.

Genesis 6:4 KJV
(4) There were giants in the earth in those days; and also after that, when the sons of God came in unto the daughters of men, and they bare children to them, the same became mighty men which were of old, men of renown.

I am not sure what definition you are using, but "giant" usually means "significantly larger." Was there a race of giants that were significantly smaller than other men? That would seem to nullify the meaning of the word.

5. I'm not seeing any explicit references to sons of God here. Did you leave out Job 1:6, 2:1, 38:7 for any particular reason? They seem relevant.

Job 1:6 KJV
(6) Now there was a day when the sons of God came to present themselves before the LORD, and Satan came also among them.

Job 2:1 KJV
(1) Again there was a day when the sons of God came to present themselves before the LORD, and Satan came also among them to present himself before the LORD.

Job 38:4-7 KJV
(4) Where wast thou when I laid the foundations of the earth? declare, if thou hast understanding.
(5) Who hath laid the measures thereof, if thou knowest? or who hath stretched the line upon it?
(6) Whereupon are the foundations thereof fastened? or who laid the corner stone thereof;
(7) When the morning stars sang together, and all the sons of God shouted for joy?





If we are using scripture to guide us here, that seems to weight the interpretation of the phrase towards the side of the angels.

 

[God's Truth]

"His body is a Spiritual Body meaning it won't die. Jesus has a Spirit inside this Spiritual body."

Scripture supporting above claim please.

I already gave the scriptures for it I will post them again for you.

Colossians 1:15 The Son is the image of the invisible God,the firstborn over all creation.

That scripture says Jesus is the firstborn over all creation, and then we learn that everything was made through him.

John 1:3 Through Him all things were made, and without Him nothing was made that has been made.

Colossians 1:16 For in him all things were created:things in heaven and on earth, visible and invisible, whether thrones or powers or rulers or authorities; all things have been created through him and for him.

Jesus was resurrected. This scripture says it sown a natural body and it is RAISED A SPIRITUAL BODY, which is different than just saying a spirit.

1 Corinthians 15:44 it is sown a natural body, it is raised a spiritual body. If there is a natural body, there is also a spiritual body.

This scripture Jesus tells the Father to glorify him in His presence with the GLORY he had before the world began.

John 17:5 And now, Father, glorify me in your presence with the glory I had with you before the world began.

John 17:24 "Father, I want those you have given me to be with me where I am, and to see my glory, the glory you have given me because you loved me before the creation of the world.

1 Peter 1:21 Through him you believe in God, who raised him from the dead and glorified him, and so your faith and hope are in God.

This scripture says our bodies will be transformed to be like his glorious body. If Jesus has the same human body without any changes from when he was on earth before he died and rose from the dead, then how would it make sense that our bodies will be TRANSFORMED TO BE LIKE HIS GLORIOUS BODY?

Philippians 3:21 who, by the power that enables him to bring everything under his control, will transform our lowly bodies so that they will be like his glorious body.

This scripture says what we will be has NOT YET BEEN MADE KNOWN, we will be like him...

1 John 3:2 Dear friends, now we are children of God, and what we will be has not yet been made known. But we know that when Christ appears, we shall be like him, for we shall see him as he is.

 

[Rosenritter]

Actually, I don't NEED to do anything. I'm sure all are aware of what it takes to prove a negative. The fact is that the Bible NEVER says angels or plants or animals or sun, moon, and stars are "created in the image of God".

Genesis 1:27 So God created man in his own image, in the image of God created he him; male and female created he them.

Genesis 9:6 Whoso sheddeth man's blood, by man shall his blood be shed: for in the image of God made he man.​

Luke 24:39

If you want to contest "angels are created in the image of God" it would certainly help if you could tell us what the image of God is. Otherwise you're arguing just for the sake of argument, not actually for any point that can be used for edification.

 

[Rosenritter]

Now the Holy Spirit is God's foot?

I don't know about that, but it does call Jesus the arm of the Lord.

John 12:37-38 KJV
(37) But though he had done so many miracles before them, yet they believed not on him:
(38) That the saying of Esaias the prophet might be fulfilled, which he spake, Lord, who hath believed our report? and to whom hath the arm of the Lord been revealed?

 

[glorydaz]

And the Bible never says God is a Trinity, but you seem to be pretty set on that.

Scripture supports God is Triune.

 

[Rosenritter]

Where does it tell us what image the beasts were created in?

Where does it tell us what image the world was created in?

Where does it tell us what image the serpent was created in?

You're obviously stuck up a creek without a paddle and want me to go outside what is written like you do.

Yet the Bible does give us a term of "in the image of God" as if it expects that we should be able to make some sort of judgment about what that means. I've offered you first opportunity to present a definition for discussion.

Where does it tell us what image the serpent was created in?

Actually, there is a bit about that now that you mention it. We are told that the serpent was created with beauty, wisdom, brightness, and perfection in all his ways from the day he was created.

Ezekiel 28:14-17 KJV
(14) Thou art the anointed cherub that covereth; and I have set thee so: thou wast upon the holy mountain of God; thou hast walked up and down in the midst of the stones of fire.
(15) Thou wast perfect in thy ways from the day that thou wast created, till iniquity was found in thee.
(16) By the multitude of thy merchandise they have filled the midst of thee with violence, and thou hast sinned: therefore I will cast thee as profane out of the mountain of God: and I will destroy thee, O covering cherub, from the midst of the stones of fire.
(17) Thine heart was lifted up because of thy beauty, thou hast corrupted thy wisdom by reason of thy brightness: I will cast thee to the ground, I will lay thee before kings, that they may behold thee.


Wisdom, beauty, brightness, and perfection. Those sound a lot like the terms that we use to describe God. We may assume that Adam was created perfect, but he isn't described as possessing wisdom, beauty, and brightness. If we are using scripture, it sounds as if the angels were created closer to that image of God than we were.

But if we aren't using scripture, you can just attack me like always and thus save the day. I'm used to it.

 

[Rosenritter]

GOLLY, who was WITH GOD in the beginning? :think:

John 1

1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.

2 The same was in the beginning with God.​

And John even goes so far as to say that "with God" is in actuality "being God."

 

[Rosenritter]

Just address the scriptures I gave and no need to tell me what you think about me.

GE, I didn't say a thing about you, other than it was impossible to answer your question when your definition of its basic term is so different. Do you think it would be possible for you to go for twenty-four hours without accusing others of "talking about you" or "accusing you" or any of that tripe? TWENTY-FOUR hours. I don't care how you do it, even if you take a vacation. I don't think you can. Starting now 8:53 PM MST, I'm watching.

 

[glorydaz]

Thank you for the effort.

1. I don't see where it directly calls the sons of Seth as "sons of God."

2. But if the sons of Seth are to be implicitly considered "sons of God" then so would the sons and daughters of Cain, tracing their lineage to Adam, the "son of God" from the lineage in Luke.

Seth's lineage sought God....Cain's didn't (Cain went out from the presence of the Lord.) I don't think you gave those verses more than a cursory glance. If you can't do so, I don't see the need to waste any more effort on you.

3. You need to read just a little more to see about the giants.

It's clear they were "mighty men which were of old, men of renown."

Genesis 6:4 KJV
(4) There were giants in the earth in those days;

What is made with brass and iron? SWORDS....killing implements. Mighty means POWERFUL, which makes sense considering the state of the world before the flood.

Gen. 4:22 And Zillah, she also bare Tubalcain, an instructer of every artificer in brass and iron: and the sister of Tubalcain was Naamah.​

OH, and ALSO AFTER THAT , the sons of God mated with the daughters of men. Seems the giants were there before the matings. If these were good angels (sons of God), they wouldn't have done such a thing even if it were physically possible for a spiritual being to have sex with a human.

and also after that, when the sons of God came in unto the daughters of men, and they bare children to them, the same became mighty men which were of old, men of renown.

I am not sure what definition you are using, but "giant" usually means "significantly larger." Was there a race of giants that were significantly smaller than other men? That would seem to nullify the meaning of the word.

Cain's descendants were worldy....not God fearing. As the believers intermarried with unbelievers, men became more wicked and warlike. Bullies....killers..... Use your brain.

So far, you're simply being argumentative.

NOTE ** God saw the WICKEDNESS OF MAN....it grieved Him that He had made MAN. Not one word of rebuke for those bad "angels" that came down and "mated with women". :chuckle:

Gen. 6:5-7 And God saw that the wickedness of man was great in the earth, and that every imagination of the thoughts of his heart was only evil continually. And it repented the Lord that he had made man on the earth, and it grieved him at his heart. And the Lord said, I will destroy man whom I have created from the face of the earth; both man, and beast, and the creeping thing, and the fowls of the air; for it repenteth me that I have made them.​

 

[glorydaz]

And John even goes so far as to say that "with God" is in actuality "being God."

Indeed, John goes so far as to say the Word was with God and was God. Now, let's here you explain away how one can be WITH and WAS at the same time.

I was with him and I was him......give us an answer to that riddle.

 

[glorydaz]

GE, I didn't say a thing about you, other than it was impossible to answer your question when your definition of its basic term is so different. Do you think it would be possible for you to go for twenty-four hours without accusing others of "talking about you" or "accusing you" or any of that tripe? TWENTY-FOUR hours. I don't care how you do it, even if you take a vacation. I don't think you can. Starting now 8:53 PM MST, I'm watching.

Do you think it's possible for you to stop ordering people around and playing the Dictator?


No, I'm sure not. :sigh: