The Trinity

[glorydaz]

That means Jesus is God the Father come in the body of a Man.

Thanks for continuing to prove you are simple minded.

 

[popsthebuilder]

Could be.


I provided scripture saying all are sinners, and that anyone that says they do not have sin is a liar.

Notice that folks were to bring a perfect (without spot or blemish) animal to sacrifice.
And yet that 'perfect' sacrifice could never take away sin.

Hebrews 10:4 KJV
(4) For it is not possible that the blood of bulls and of goats should take away sins.


So what made the sacrifice 'perfect', since a 'better' sacrifice was needed to take away sin?

Perhaps some are putting the wrong emphasis on the word and trying to limit it's definition too tightly.

No ma'am; scripture plainly stated that there are some who were perfect.

I'm not sure why you bring up the sacrifice of animals for the sins of man. How does one pay for their own sin by killing a pure animal? They don't. Self sacrifice seems to be the teaching and way; being dead to the flesh isn't abiding there in along with all its lusts and wants and corruption.

Some would have us think that knowing sin isn't repeatedly killing the pure lamb without blemish.

Oh... And I never said we had to be perfect.

I said faith was effectual.

You said not unto perfection.

Do you put too much emphasis on it? Or just deviate from scripture for the sake of your opinion?

 

[glorydaz]

Pretty sure parenthesis denote additions.



Genesis: 6. 9. These are the generations of Noah: Noah was a just man and perfect in his generations, and Noah walked with God.

Genesis: 17. 1. And when Abram was ninety years old and nine, the LORD appeared to Abram, and said unto him, I am the Almighty God; walk before me, and be thou perfect.

1 Kings: 11. 4. For it came to pass, when Solomon was old, that his wives turned away his heart after other gods: and his heart was not perfect with the LORD his God, as was the heart of David his father.

1 Kings: 15. 14. But the high places were not removed: nevertheless Asa's heart was perfect with the LORD all his days.

1 Chronicles: 29. 9. Then the people rejoiced, for that they offered willingly, because with perfect heart they offered willingly to the LORD: and David the king also rejoiced with great joy.

Job: 1. 1. There was a man in the land of Uz, whose name was Job; and that man was perfect and upright, and one that feared God, and eschewed evil.


Job: 1. 8. And the LORD said unto Satan, Hast thou considered my servant Job, that there is none like him in the earth, a perfect and an upright man, one that feareth God, and escheweth evil?

Job: 1. 8. And the LORD said unto Satan, Hast thou considered my servant Job, that there is none like him in the earth, a perfect and an upright man, one that feareth God, and escheweth evil?

Job: 1. 22. In all this Job sinned not, nor charged God foolishly.

1 John: 3. 9. Whosoever is born of God doth not commit sin; for his seed remaineth in him: and he cannot sin, because he is born of God.

Did I misunderstand, or did you say none were perfect? Because scripture says there were some who were perfect.

You can also have "perfect hatred", but as you're using the word, it means they were counted as righteous (perfect) by God. They believed God and it was accounted to them for righteousness. Faith is reckoned as righteousness.

Romans 4:6 Even as David also describeth the blessedness of the man, unto whom God imputeth righteousness without works, 7 Saying, Blessed are they whose iniquities are forgiven, and whose sins are covered. 8 Blessed is the man to whom the Lord will not impute sin.​

 

[glorydaz]

Do you put too much emphasis on it? Or just deviate from scripture for the sake of your opinion?

Pops, you have a bad habit you need to put off. When you don't understand what someone is saying to you, you assume they are doing something wrong or the lack is with them.....instead of yourself.

When you look at one side of a box, you see that one side. The other guy may be looking at the other side...or even the inside. Open the box and look inside before assuming you've see the whole of it. :idea:

 

[popsthebuilder]

Supported by scripture.

Colossians 2:9 For in him dwelleth all the fulness of the Godhead bodily.​

Romans: 1. 23. And changed the glory of the uncorruptible God into an image made like to corruptible man, and to birds, and fourfooted beasts, and creeping things.

Romans: 1. 24. Wherefore God also gave them up to uncleanness through the lusts of their own hearts, to dishonour their own bodies between themselves: 25. Who changed the truth of God into a lie, and worshipped and served the creature more than the Creator, who is blessed for ever. Amen.

Romans: 1. 18. For the wrath of God is revealed from heaven against all ungodliness and unrighteousness of men, who hold the truth in unrighteousness; 19. Because that which may be known of God is manifest in them; for God hath shewed it unto them. 20. For the invisible things of him from the creation of the world are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even his eternal power and Godhead; so that they are without excuse: 21. Because that, when they knew God, they glorified him not as God, neither were thankful; but became vain in their imaginations, and their foolish heart was darkened. 22. Professing themselves to be wise, they became fools, 23. And changed the glory of the uncorruptible God into an image made like to corruptible man, and to birds, and fourfooted beasts, and creeping things. 24. Wherefore God also gave them up to uncleanness through the lusts of their own hearts, to dishonour their own bodies between themselves: 25. Who changed the truth of God into a lie, and worshipped and served the creature more than the Creator, who is blessed for ever. Amen. 26. For this cause God gave them up unto vile affections: for even their women did change the natural use into that which is against nature: 27. And likewise also the men, leaving the natural use of the woman, burned in their lust one toward another; men with men working that which is unseemly, and receiving in themselves that recompence of their error which was meet. 28. And even as they did not like to retain God in their knowledge, God gave them over to a reprobate mind, to do those things which are not convenient; 29. Being filled with all unrighteousness, fornication, wickedness, covetousness, maliciousness; full of envy, murder, debate, deceit, malignity; whisperers, 30. Backbiters, haters of God, despiteful, proud, boasters, inventors of evil things, disobedient to parents, 31. Without understanding, covenantbreakers, without natural affection, implacable, unmerciful: 32. Who knowing the judgment of God, that they which commit such things are worthy of death, not only do the same, but have pleasure in them that do them.

 

[God's Truth]

No.

It means the fullness of Gods divine nature dwelt in Jesus the man, not just a body.

It means God the Father came in the flesh as a Son of Man.

 

[popsthebuilder]

Supported by scripture.

Colossians 2:9 For in him dwelleth all the fulness of the Godhead bodily.​

Yes the Holy Ghost filled the temple of GOD; Jesus the Christ, and it will do it again. Except this time His body is all those faithful to GOD.

 

[God's Truth]

No.

There are two words translated one.

You should study them .

Jesus already said "I AND my Father" which does not mean they are the same.

LA

One means the same. They are exactly the same. Jesus ONLY SAYS and DOES what the Father says and does.

Go think about it some more.

 

[God's Truth]

Pops, you have a bad habit you need to put off. When you don't understand what someone is saying to you, you assume they are doing something wrong or the lack is with them.....instead of yourself.

When you look at one side of a box, you see that one side. The other guy may be looking at the other side...or even the inside. Open the box and look inside before assuming you've see the whole of it. :idea:

He might do that, but you are still wrong.

 

[popsthebuilder]

Pops, you have a bad habit you need to put off. When you don't understand what someone is saying to you, you assume they are doing something wrong or the lack is with them.....instead of yourself.

When you look at one side of a box, you see that one side. The other guy may be looking at the other side...or even the inside. Open the box and look inside before assuming you've see the whole of it. :idea:

Cute;

Do you deny that Job was plainly stated to have been perfect?

What sin did Abraham commit?

Why was Enoch taken up from earth without seeing death?

You have a bad habit too; being blind to what is plainly stated, or rather playing dumb and decieving yourself.

I have no problem admitting when I am wrong or accepting correction when it is due.

But if you go against plain scripture then you most likely go against your conscience too. I don't need the addition of either of those habits.

Thanks for the advice.

 

[Krsto]

God in us does not make us God, but God in Jesus does make Jesus God.

If you say so...

The Bible says Jesus came from heaven; we did not come from heaven.

The bible says John the Baptist came from heaven too. It's allegorical for the source of their anointing.

All creation was made by him.

No, all creation was made through the Logos. The Logos is the Plan of God. Look up logos in Strong's.

The Bible says Jesus was conceived from the Holy Spirit; we were not.

So he was conceived by a supernatural creative act instead of a biological created act. All of us, including Jesus, was created.

Jesus lived a sinless life; we did not.

Agreed.

His blood washes away the sins of the world; ours does not.

That's a picture of influence. The cross brings people to repentance and faith in God. Our deaths fertilize the local graveyard.

How do you ever get that he was just a man with the Spirit of God in Him?

Why don't you ever listen to other explanations for these supposed "proof texts" so you can understand how the early church interpreted them BEFORE they invented the doctrine of the Trinity?

 

[glorydaz]

Romans: 1. 23. And changed the glory of the uncorruptible God into an image made like to corruptible man, and to birds, and fourfooted beasts, and creeping things.

Romans: 1. 24. Wherefore God also gave them up to uncleanness through the lusts of their own hearts, to dishonour their own bodies between themselves: 25. Who changed the truth of God into a lie, and worshipped and served the creature more than the Creator, who is blessed for ever. Amen.

Romans: 1. 18. For the wrath of God is revealed from heaven against all ungodliness and unrighteousness of men, who hold the truth in unrighteousness; 19. Because that which may be known of God is manifest in them; for God hath shewed it unto them. 20. For the invisible things of him from the creation of the world are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even his eternal power and Godhead; so that they are without excuse: 21. Because that, when they knew God, they glorified him not as God, neither were thankful; but became vain in their imaginations, and their foolish heart was darkened. 22. Professing themselves to be wise, they became fools, 23. And changed the glory of the uncorruptible God into an image made like to corruptible man, and to birds, and fourfooted beasts, and creeping things. 24. Wherefore God also gave them up to uncleanness through the lusts of their own hearts, to dishonour their own bodies between themselves: 25. Who changed the truth of God into a lie, and worshipped and served the creature more than the Creator, who is blessed for ever. Amen. 26. For this cause God gave them up unto vile affections: for even their women did change the natural use into that which is against nature: 27. And likewise also the men, leaving the natural use of the woman, burned in their lust one toward another; men with men working that which is unseemly, and receiving in themselves that recompence of their error which was meet. 28. And even as they did not like to retain God in their knowledge, God gave them over to a reprobate mind, to do those things which are not convenient; 29. Being filled with all unrighteousness, fornication, wickedness, covetousness, maliciousness; full of envy, murder, debate, deceit, malignity; whisperers, 30. Backbiters, haters of God, despiteful, proud, boasters, inventors of evil things, disobedient to parents, 31. Without understanding, covenantbreakers, without natural affection, implacable, unmerciful: 32. Who knowing the judgment of God, that they which commit such things are worthy of death, not only do the same, but have pleasure in them that do them.

I know the scripture. Do you have a point you're trying to make?

 

[glorydaz]

Yes the Holy Ghost filled the temple of GOD; Jesus the Christ, and it will do it again. Except this time His body is all those faithful to GOD.

"It"?
This is what I've been talking about.
You just can't make stuff up as suits your fancy. If it isn't supported in scripture, it isn't right.


John 14:26 But the Comforter, which is the Holy Ghost, whom the Father will send in my name, he shall teach you all things, and bring all things to your remembrance, whatsoever I have said unto you.

Nor are you addressing the verse I posted.

 

[glorydaz]

Cute;

Do you deny that Job was plainly stated to have been perfect?

And I explained that to you. But since you require more, you can ponder this. Why did Job repent if he was so perfect?

Job. 42:6 Wherefore I abhor myself, and repent in dust and ashes.

What sin did Abraham commit?

He deceived pharaoh, and told Sarah to claim she was his sister instead of his wife.

Gen. 12:11-13 And it came to pass, when he was come near to enter into Egypt, that he said unto Sarai his wife, Behold now, I know that thou art a fair woman to look upon: Therefore it shall come to pass, when the Egyptians shall see thee, that they shall say, This is his wife: and they will kill me, but they will save thee alive. Say, I pray thee, thou art my sister: that it may be well with me for thy sake; and my soul shall live because of thee.​

Why was Enoch taken up from earth without seeing death?

He died in the faith. Heb. 11:13 These all died in faith,... Genesis 5:23 "And all the days of Enoch were three hundred sixty and five years"

You have a bad habit too; being blind to what is plainly stated, or rather playing dumb and decieving yourself.

:chuckle:

I have no problem admitting when I am wrong or accepting correction when it is due.

We'll see, shall we?

But if you go against plain scripture then you most likely go against your conscience too. I don't need the addition of either of those habits.

You poor soul. You go against scripture all the time, and you hate to be corrected, too.

Thanks for the advice.

Don't be a hypocrite with that false gratitude.

 

[God's Truth]

The bible says John the Baptist came from heaven too. It's allegorical for the source of their anointing.

Could you give the scripture that says John the baptizer came from heaven?

No, all creation was made through the Logos.

This scripture says al things were made through God .

Romans 11:36 For of him, and through him, and to him, are all things: to whom be glory forever. Amen.

1 Corinthians 8:6 yet for us there is but one God, the Father, from whom all things came and for whom we exist. And there is but one Lord, Jesus Christ, through whom all things came and through whom we exist.

That scripture says the same thing and instead of the word ‘God’, the word Jesus is used.

That is proof that all things are through God Jesus Christ.

The Logos is the Plan of God. Look up logos in Strong's.

I don’t really care what Mr. Strong says.

So he was conceived by a supernatural creative act instead of a biological created act. All of us, including Jesus, was created.

Jesus body was created, and not in the same way we were.

That's a picture of influence. The cross brings people to repentance and faith in God. Our deaths fertilize the local graveyard.

Through faith in Jesus’ blood cleaning us of our sins, we enter God’s grace.

Why don't you ever listen to other explanations for these supposed "proof texts" so you can understand how the early church interpreted them BEFORE they invented the doctrine of the Trinity?

I am not a trinitarian.

 

[God's Truth]

And I explained that to you. But since you require more, you can ponder this. Why did Job repent if he was so perfect?

Job. 42:6 Wherefore I abhor myself, and repent in dust and ashes.





He deceived pharaoh, and told Sarah to claim she was his sister instead of his wife.

Gen. 12:11-13 And it came to pass, when he was come near to enter into Egypt, that he said unto Sarai his wife, Behold now, I know that thou art a fair woman to look upon: Therefore it shall come to pass, when the Egyptians shall see thee, that they shall say, This is his wife: and they will kill me, but they will save thee alive. Say, I pray thee, thou art my sister: that it may be well with me for thy sake; and my soul shall live because of thee.​

He died in the faith. Heb. 11:13 These all died in faith,... Genesis 5:23 "And all the days of Enoch were three hundred sixty and five years"



:chuckle:



We'll see, shall we?



You poor soul. You go against scripture all the time, and you hate to be corrected, too.



Don't be a hypocrite with that false gratitude.

People have to accept the scriptures that say someone was perfect and pleased God even if they sinned and repented, for they did more that pleased God, including repenting of their sins.

 

[Tambora]

No ma'am; scripture plainly stated that there are some who were perfect.

I know.
I didn't disagree with that.

I'm not sure why you bring up the sacrifice of animals

Because the sacrificial animal was also called "perfect".

Exodus 12:5 KJV
(5) Your lamb shall be without blemish, תּמיםa male of the first year: ye shall take it out from the sheep, or from the goats:


The same word scripture uses for:


Genesis 17:1 KJV
(1) And when Abram was ninety years old and nine, the LORD appeared to Abram, and said unto him, I am the Almighty God; walk before me, and be thou perfect תּמים.




And yet there needed to be a "better" sacrifice than the "perfect" animal sacrifice.
So, if the animal was "perfect" in the westernized definition of "as good as can possibly be, nothing better", then there was no need for another sacrifice because nothing can be better than perfect.
But in scripture we read that those "perfect" sacrificial animals could never take away sin, and therefore there needed to be a BETTER sacrifice than those PERFECT animal sacrifices.
Meaning that in scripture there can be something BETTER than PERFECT.


In like manner, we have the old covenant law being described as good and holy.
And yet, it was faulty and needed a better covenant.

Hebrews 8:7 KJV
(7) For if that first covenant had been faultless, then should no place have been sought for the second.

 

[MichaelCadry]

Hey, Bright Raven,

Congratulations on a wonderful and successful Thread!! You picked just the RIGHT SUBJECT!!

There is God the Father, there is Jesus the Son, and there is the Holy Ghost of God. Three all in One. They are all three the Trinity. See Matt. 28:19KJV. Tell me what you see. What did Jesus prompt us to do?? Get with the Program.

Jesus is God's Son. They are two different beings, but also One in Spirit. And the Holy Ghost is One in Spirit. There are three beings, but also One in Spirit. Get it now?? Who did Jesus pray to when He was on the cross: His Father, God. He was not praying to Himself, so they are two different beings. Who did God refer to when He said, "Let US make man in OUR image." Who was God talking to except Jesus.

You'll find out when you go to Heaven.

This of course, is not for you Bright Raven. I'm just making a comment to everyone here.

I Thank God For Your Thread, BR!!

Michael

 

[popsthebuilder]

I know the scripture. Do you have a point you're trying to make?

No sense in me expounding on something you can't even see.

 

[popsthebuilder]

"It"?
This is what I've been talking about.
You just can't make stuff up as suits your fancy. If it isn't supported in scripture, it isn't right.


John 14:26 But the Comforter, which is the Holy Ghost, whom the Father will send in my name, he shall teach you all things, and bring all things to your remembrance, whatsoever I have said unto you.

Nor are you addressing the verse I posted.

So... What's your problem?


I can refer to GOD as "IT" of I so choose.

I'm not declaring GOD be limited to the image of GOD or a person or three people.

If you've got a problem with that then state it and support it with scripture not cherry picked to suite your agenda.

It isn't that you can't see my points.

It's that you refuse to allow yourself to not be deceived by your own pride. Of course you can't even see this as you haven't researched yourself to any real end.

If you start to admit to yourself, the things plainly stated in scripture then your faith only crap goes right out the window along with some other things.