glorydaz
Well-known member
Indeed...a rather rude awakening is exactly what the Great Physician has ordered for you, pops.
The Trinity
- Thread starter Bright Raven
- Start date
Indeed...a rather rude awakening is exactly what the Great Physician has ordered for you, pops.
glorydaz
Well-known member
God is spirit. He can take on the form of anything He wants to, though, like a burning bush, or a pilar of cloud, or a man.
Philippians 2:7 But made himself of no reputation, and took upon him the form of a servant, and was made in the likeness of men:
The Holy Ghost is God so, yes, He is spirit. God is spirit.
The Comforter (Holy Spirit) is God.
Perhaps you don't really know what that means. :idunno:
Of course I do, the Holy Spirit is God.
Of course the Father is God.
As is the Lord Jesus Christ.
John 20:28 And Thomas answered and said unto him, My Lord and my God.
John 20:29 Jesus saith unto him, Thomas, because thou hast seen me, thou hast believed: blessed are they that have not seen, and yet have believed.
John 20:29 Jesus saith unto him, Thomas, because thou hast seen me, thou hast believed: blessed are they that have not seen, and yet have believed.
popsthebuilder
New member
What seems dumb to me is that you can't make the connection between a particular scenario.
Answer this please;
If A= B, and B= C, then does A = C?
(on a side note; I recall someone seeming to insinuate that I was wrong through association. I can't help but notice that you too seem to think along those same lines under similar circumstances. Not that the two of you are identical but you ate of the same thing surely, and even seem driven by similar motives and emotions and desires.
Probably not the best choice of words for any trying to keep the peace regardless of if that peace is a facad of not. Just a partial observation worth noting to me.
popsthebuilder
New member
I'm stressing she has no discernment of her own as far as my vailed eyes can see.
I would love for her to speak up on the topics at hand. I do rather enjoy being shown to be wrong spiritually, as being shown as such to self is a sign of growth (in small doses, and in my opinion).
popsthebuilder
New member
Past tense silly
God's Truth
New member
The reward IS eternal life.
Read this scripture. Paul explains how we are to go into strict training to get a crown that will last forever. That is about eternal life.
1 Corinthians 9:25 Everyone who competes in the games goes into strict training. They do it to get a crown that will not last, but we do it to get a crown that will last forever.
Read this scripture. Jesus says clearly that the crown is life. lol Oh how I love God's Word.
Revelation 2:10
Do not be afraid of what you are about to suffer. I tell you, the devil will put some of you in prison to test you, and you will suffer persecution for ten days. Be faithful, even to the point of death, and I will give you life as your victor's crown.
popsthebuilder
New member
So is GOD spirit?
You said yes if I'm not mistaken.
You also agree that the Holy Spirit is too spirit.
So you get that GOD is Spirit and the Holy Spirit is spirit and too the same Spirit that filled Jesus the Christ of GOD when he was the physical embodiment of GOD in the form of man?
All I am seeing here is the Holy Spirit and the vessel.
So how is the Father(the literal utter fullness of GOD) not too the Holy Spirit?
Please do show scripture (not scripture telling about the self deceived preferably; but about the nature and supposed multiplicity of GOD)
thanks again.... No, really; this interests me to no end.
peace
You could say "boo" and I would like it.
I just like to hear your sweet angelic voice.
popsthebuilder
New member
In hindsight it was wrong for me to assume on such limited interaction or even reading of your other posts.
I would still like to here your own views though, and am sure you have strong faith as she does too and like kinds are a thing.
My initial statement was not meant as an insinuation, but was focused on what I actually thumb up.
At times I act on the wrong types of emotion.
I apologize.
you do have an uncanny way of disarming situations; a blessing if I ever saw or heard of one.
peace
By the way, again; just in case; by uncanny I meant:
striking,*remarkable,*extraordinary,exceptional,*incredible,*noteworthy,notable,*arresting
popsthebuilder
New member
I haven't had a good smile in what feels like days.I knew it had to be that definition, since it was about me.
Thank you
No harm done.
Sometimes.
Sometimes I start them.
I knew it had to be that definition since it was about me.
OK.
What would you like to know?
popsthebuilder
New member
Wait, wait..... What is it you think you showed by quoting Jesus saying to DO with all your heart towards the object of your desire (GOD for the believer)?
Are you trying to show that faith is effectual? Because you did....
Faith has always been effectual.
But it never stopped anyone from still sinning in the flesh.
popsthebuilder
New member
Thank you again.
Well.... I guess I'll start with what seems rather basic yet fundamental to me.
*Do you believe that GOD is spirit?
*Do you believe that the Holy Ghost is too spirit?
*Do you believe the reference or title "Father" within the context of scripture speaking of God, is a reference to GOD almighty?
I though gd was saying that it was wrong to think GOD the Father and creator of all existence is spirit, but I'm really not sure what her point was now other than trying to make me seem wrong, which I'm fine with if actually substantiated. I'm sure she'll get to it at some point though.
So.... to you; is it wrong to refer to GOD as the Holy Spirit? If so, why?
popsthebuilder
New member
Then what of those reported to have pleased GOD and to have been without flaw or sin such as Job, Enoch, Noah, John the Baptizer, Elias, Abraham, Abel, and others?
Yes.
Yes.
Father is one of the many names of, what we sometimes refer to as, the 1st person of the Godhead..
Any of the 3 can properly be called God.
And while any human example is going to be lacking, I will use this scenario to sorta explain how.
(Remember, I am trinitarian, so I believe in the 3 persons (Father, Son, Holy Spirit) as one unity (as in one family, one nation, one council, etc).
Mother, Father, Son = one family (one unity consisting of 3 persons).
The family name is Smith, so each of them can be called 'Smith', but also have names that distinguish one from another.
glorydaz
Well-known member
Rosenritter
New member
Marhig, "we" and "our" would be appropriate as God was in two different forms at that time. In heaven, and on earth. Before you are so hasty as to allege schizophrenia, I would appreciate your considering of a similar instance below:
2 Corinthians 12:1-5 KJV
(1) It is not expedient for me doubtless to glory. I will come to visions and revelations of the Lord.
(2) I knew a man in Christ above fourteen years ago, (whether in the body, I cannot tell; or whether out of the body, I cannot tell: God knoweth
such an one caught up to the third heaven.(3) And I knew such a man, (whether in the body, or out of the body, I cannot tell: God knoweth
(4) How that he was caught up into paradise, and heard unspeakable words, which it is not lawful for a man to utter.
(5) Of such an one will I glory: yet of myself I will not glory, but in mine infirmities.
In this passage Paul is speaking of himself as two different persons. There is "myself" and "I" as one person, and "such a man" and "he" as another. He even says he would glory that man, but not himself. And this instance is quite a bit less complicated than God manifest in the flesh.
1 Timothy 3:16 KJV
(16) And without controversy great is the mystery of godliness: God was manifest in the flesh, justified in the Spirit, seen of angels, preached unto the Gentiles, believed on in the world, received up into glory.
John 1:10-11 KJV
(10) He was in the world, and the world was made by him, and the world knew him not.
(11) He came unto his own, and his own received him not.
I think I've explained why arguments of persons or pronouns cannot be decisive on this question. Even in mundane cases (such as Paul) we find occasion to apply (possibly confusing) language depending on the circumstance. If we believe the scripture, God was manifest in the flesh, he created the world and he came into that world. He is the Rock and the first and the last besides which there is no God.
From what I've seen so far, most (if not all) of your objections are based on arguments of pronouns and persons, questions easily answered with an understanding that Jesus was being purposely vague while he was on the earth. He spoke in parable, not so that they would understand, but specifically so that they would not understand.
What i have not heard you address is when Jesus speaks clearly and directly for purposes of identification, even when Paul and John do make direct statements. Regardless of any other arguments that may exist, I believe that this is the factor that ends all debate. Your other argument(s) are non-conclusive, and as such they cannot outweigh direct statements.
Can you explain why John writes as he does in his first chapter if Jesus were anyone else but our Creator? Or why Jesus would explain his power over the demons that "he beheld Satan fall from heaven like lightning" or why he would call himself the first and the last, the beginning and the end? Is there some moral reason why you would not have Jesus as your Lord and God but would insist on someone else? Please, move away from the non-conclusive argument and let's move to the areas where I haven't heard from you yet.
I'm not up for the personal attack route, but I would like to fairly exchange questions and answers. Thanks.
God's Truth
New member
Do you believe the Father is Spirit?