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You do NOT understand the trinitarian doctrine.
You are confused and need to stop, but you won't.
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You are confused and need to stop, but you won't.
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You are not speaking the truth. Anyone can look up the trinitarian doctrine.
Clarify right now then.
Tell me is the Father and Jesus and the Holy Spirit distinct/different from each other?
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1John 5:7 (KJV)
(5:7) For there are three that bear record in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost: and these three are one.
Believe it or not, your choice.
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Asked and answered:
http://theologyonline.com/showthread.php?97148-One-on-One-AMR-and-God-s-Truth-—-The-Holy-Trinity
Apparently you only acknowledge what you agree with and ignore answers thoroughly given time and again.
Do you have a job? Are you retired? etc. I only ask as you spend each and every hour of the day posting repetitive things as if no one is actually answering you. This is not good stewardship of the free time you have been given by the Lord.
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You out of all people are in disbelief!? Need I remind you that you deny that Jesus in Rev 1:5 is separate from the "one coming" in Rev 1:4 even though it plainly states it!? Yet you struggle on this word order???
You fail to understand why I said what I said, Genesis 48:15, 16:
Then he [Jacob] blessed Joseph and said:
The true God before whom my fathers Abraham and Isaac walked,
The true God who has been shepherding me during all my life until this day
The angel who has been recovering me from all calamity,
bless the boys
Nothing in the above states that "the angel" was the "true God", there is no reason why "the Angel" according to the grammar or context cannot be separate from the "true God", it can simply be referring to the "true God" and an "angel". I do not deny that it can be read that the "angel" was the true God, but as already stated this is not the only interpretation nor the most plausible.
If however the true God was the Angel who appeared to the persons we've already cited, then it would contradict John 1:18, God cannot literally be the angels spoken of if one wants the Bible to remain consistent."No man has seen God at any time"(John 1:18).
To answer your question from my opopion, God and an angel. I don't think I get your point, the verse could have mentioned a hundred separate people it still would've been "bless the boys".
Jacob had already wrestled with the angel who's name he asked at this point in Gen 48, he knew that this angel, by means of God, had been looking after, blessing and been recovering Jacob from calamity, therefore Jacob asked that the true God, and this protective angel bless his Sons.
Jacob himself was invoking the blessing as stated in the verse and asked that God and the angel bless his sons.
No, the scripture allows for two, you can force it to one subject if you want but that doesn't change the fact that the verse allows for two.
I don't know where people like you get these scriptural idea's, where in the Bible does it state only God can bless, this is a common misconception that has no scriptural backing.
You ask me who can bless someone but God, yet, the very scripture we've been discussing states that Jacob blessed Jacob prior to asking God and the Angel to bless his Josephs Sons.
(Genesis 48:15) "..Then he [Jacob] blessed Joseph and said: “The true God before whom my fathers Abraham and Isaac walked, The true God who has been shepherding me during all my life until this day.."
(1 Peter 3:9) "..Do not pay back injury for injury or insult for insult. Instead, repay with a blessing, for you were called to this course, so that you might inherit a blessing.."
(Genesis 12:3) "..I will bless those who bless you, and I will curse him who calls down evil on you, and all the families of the ground will certainly be blessed by means of you..”
I have not fractured anything, me not agreeing with you is what you're finding difficult.
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A high priest would stop becoming high priest upon his death.
Since, as the scripture mentions, Melchizedek had no record of his death he remains high priest as no note of his death was ever recorded. Jesus is high priest only in the sense that he remains high priest forever.
They cannot be the same person since the scriptures makes clear that Jesus was another high priest, if Jesus was the same high priest as Melchizedek then the Bible writer would NOT have called him another high priest like Melchizedek but rather the same high priest.
(Hebrews 7:1-3) "..For this Mel·chizʹe·dek, king of Saʹlem, priest of the Most High God, met Abraham returning from the slaughter of the kings and blessed him, 2 and Abraham gave him a tenth of everything. First, his name is translated “King of Righteousness,” and then also king of Saʹlem, that is, “King of Peace.” 3 In being fatherless, motherless, without genealogy, having neither a beginning of days nor an end of life, but being made like the Son of God, he remains a priest for all time.. If, then, perfection was attainable through the Levitical priesthood (for it was a feature of the Law that was given to the people), what further need would there be for another priest to arise who is said to be in the manner of Mel·chizʹe·dek and not in the manner of Aaron?..".
Christ was another high priest like Melchizedek, thus, he was not Melchizedek.
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I'm sorry I didn't see where that said anything about any person whatsoever.
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I understand your confusion. It comes from your unbelief.
The FATHER is a PERSON.
The SON is a PERSON.
The Holy Spirit is a PERSON (per Acts 5:3).
Don't be confused, just believe the Bible.
P.S. No, don't go back to your confused "person means human" idea.
How about, GT, you go through each of these quotes and see what was quoted by RD, and read what you said again. You clearly implied that there was more than one Way through what you said.
Do you believe the desert was the only time Jesus was tempted or was He tempted at other times during those 33 years?
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I take neg reps from you as hitting the mark.
So, gt, thank you for letting me know by your second neg rep that the truth is hitting its mark.
Is Jesus the "Helper/Comforter" in this passage?
And I will pray the Father, and He will give you another Helper, that He may abide with you forever— - John 14:16 http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=John14:16&version=NKJV
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So, are you accusing Christ of being violent when He turned the tables in the Temple?
So, are you accusing Christ of being slanderous when He calls people "brood of vipers"?
So, are you accusing Christ of being foul mouthed when He used "blind guides," etc.?
So, are you accusing Christ of degrading people when He said "it is very difficult for a rich person to enter Heaven"?
God made Jesus both Lord and Christ.
Act 2:36 Therefore let all the house of Israel know assuredly, that God hath made that same Jesus, whom ye have crucified, both Lord and Christ.
John was sent from Heaven too, and the Holy Spirit which filled John came from Heaven, but John and Jesus were both born from mankind.
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No.
Jesus lives in Heaven presently, and He lives in men via the Holy spirit--
Joh 14:16 And I will pray the Father, and he shall give you another Comforter, that he may abide with you for ever;
Joh 14:17 Even the Spirit of truth; whom the world cannot receive, because it seeth him not, neither knoweth him: but ye know him; for he dwelleth with you, and shall be in you.
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No, not via the Holy Spirit. He IS the Holy Spirit.
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Because Jesus is God the Father come in the flesh, and because Jesus the Son of Man obeyed.
What are you saying that John was sent from heaven or came from heaven?
God is the one who gives the Holy Spirit. Jesus gave the Holy Spirit to John and his mother when Jesus was still in the womb.
Jesus was born from God.
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I wasn't asking you. I am debating someone else right now.
I have no idea what you are talking about.
I am debating someone who says the trinity doctrine does not say they are distinct/different, but I know the trinity doctrine says that they are.
You have contributed nothing to this debate but whiny little insults.
You are a busybody and the Lord speaks against you.
2 Thessalonians 3:11 We hear that some among you are idle and disruptive. They are not busy; they are busybodies.
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The three are one and the same not different as the trinitarian doctrine says.
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I'm quite certain that Mrs. Mary makes no distinction between the Spirit that is Christ, and GOD now, in this time.
I believe she may distinguish between when Christ walked the earth as man; as man is not equal to the utter literal absolute fullness of GOD as a material creation or temple.
That doesn't mean that what was in the temple/ vessel that was Jesus of Nazareth wasn't wholly the Spirit of GOD.
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