The Trinity

The Trinity


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JudgeRightly

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You are blind as a bat igneous think you can continue in knowing sin.

Show scripturwl support for being a sinner and a believer who is safe, and I'll show you three times that amount to refute your nonsense.

Sound like a plan?

It seems you're having trouble with the concept of committing sin, but not being a sinner.

A sinner is someone who transgresses against divine law. It is in their nature to sin. "Sinner" describes their nature, it's who they are. Can they do something righteous? Of course. That doesn't change their nature of being a sinner, though.

A saint is someone who has been acknowledged as holy or virtuous or righteous. It is not in their nature to sin. "Saint" or "saved" describes their nature, it's who they are. Can they sin? Of course they can, but that doesn't change their nature from saint to sinner, it just means that they did something against their nature.

This is what Paul was saying in Galatians 2:17, that if he, and every Christian for that matter, is still a sinner (talking about their nature), then Christ is a minister of sin. Of course, Christ is not a minister of sin, He's a minister of righteousness.

“But if, while we seek to be justified by Christ, we ourselves also are found sinners, is Christ therefore a minister of sin? Certainly not! - Galatians 2:17 http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Galatians2:17&version=NKJV

Therefore, we are no longer sinners, but saints, saved eternally, and nothing can take that away from us.

But God demonstrates His own love toward us, in that while we were still sinners, Christ died for us.Much more then, having now been justified by His blood, we shall be saved from wrath through Him.For if when we were enemies we were reconciled to God through the death of His Son, much more, having been reconciled, we shall be saved by His life.And not only that, but we also rejoice in God through our Lord Jesus Christ, through whom we have now received the reconciliation. - Romans 5:8-11 http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Romans5:8-11&version=NKJV

What then shall we say to these things? If God is for us, who can be against us?He who did not spare His own Son, but delivered Him up for us all, how shall He not with Him also freely give us all things?Who shall bring a charge against God’s elect? It is God who justifies.Who is he who condemns? It is Christ who died, and furthermore is also risen, who is even at the right hand of God, who also makes intercession for us.Who shall separate us from the love of Christ? Shall tribulation, or distress, or persecution, or famine, or nakedness, or peril, or sword?As it is written: “For Your sake we are killed all day long; We are accounted as sheep for the slaughter.”Yet in all these things we are more than conquerors through Him who loved us.For I am persuaded that neither death nor life, nor angels nor principalities nor powers, nor things present nor things to come,nor height nor depth, nor any other created thing, shall be able to separate us from the love of God which is in Christ Jesus our Lord. - Romans 8:31-39 http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Romans8:31-39&version=NKJV

For we do not want you to be ignorant, brethren, of our trouble which came to us in Asia: that we were burdened beyond measure, above strength, so that we despaired even of life.Yes, we had the sentence of death in ourselves, that we should not trust in ourselves but in God who raises the dead,who delivered us from so great a death, and does deliver us; in whom we trust that He will still deliver us,you also helping together in prayer for us, that thanks may be given by many persons on our behalf for the gift granted to us through many. - 2 Corinthians 1:8-11 http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=2Corinthians1:8-11&version=NKJV

Remember, our salvation is in Christ, not in our works. There is nothing we can do that is greater than His love for us if we have accepted him into our lives. If there was, then Christ would have died for nothing, and there would be no hope at all for us.
 

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You are blind as a bat igneous think you can continue in knowing sin.

Show scripturwl support for being a sinner and a believer who is safe, and I'll show you three times that amount to refute your nonsense.

Sound like a plan?




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One more thing:

Believer and sinner are mutually exclusive. You cannot be both simultaneously, and once you switch from sinner to believer, you can never go back to being a sinner.
 

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Wrong. You don't do everything He says, because you haven't sold all you own and given it to the poor.

Prediction, GT will now claim "oh that's not for me, where did Jesus say for all to do that", and I point out right here and now, that GT herself said:

It isn't a prediction that you gave, for I have been telling you many times that Jesus didn't command everyone to sell all they had and give it to the poor.

When Jesus came to earth, he gave the rules and regulations for the new covenant, then he died on the cross for the new covenant.

Jesus doesn't tell everyone that they must all be homeless to enter the kingdom.

Now tell us what you think we have to obey that Jesus teaches when he walked the earth.
 

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No... Not it.... IT.

Show that GOD has male or female reproductive organs using scripture as opposed toothed scripture that shows there is no female or male with regards to the nature of GOD.

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How about we use the pronouns the Bible uses to describe God, instead of your own ideas about what He is.
 

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It isn't a prediction that you gave, for I have been telling you many times that Jesus didn't command everyone to sell all they had and give it to the poor.

When Jesus came to earth, he gave the rules and regulations for the new covenant, then he died on the cross for the new covenant.

Jesus doesn't tell everyone that they must all be homeless to enter the kingdom.

Now tell us what you think we have to obey that Jesus teaches when he walked the earth.
Called it.
 

God's Truth

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I've already explained this!

You have explained nothing.

And I've never said that Jesus the man is in anyone, but Christ is made manifest in our bodies by the power of the Spirit.

Jesus the Man who is Christ is himself in the saved. You say by the power of the Holy Spirit Jesus is in our bodies, then you are saying a man's spirit is in the saved. You also need to prove it with scripture what you say.

I don't have to explain myself to you because you order me to GT.
When you debate and go against another person, you need to show scripture.

And I know that's the truth. And I know that Christ Jesus isn't the father!

A man's spirit isn't living in thousands upon thousands of saved people.

Only the Spirit of God can do that.

Angels are ministering Spirits, so I was just seeing what you understand that to mean. Anyway no worries, thanks.

What did you think it meant?

I told you what I believe it means, so tell me what you think.

I believe other things about it too, but didn't get more into it.
 

God's Truth

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No... Not it.... IT.

Show that GOD has male or female reproductive organs using scripture as opposed toothed scripture that shows there is no female or male with regards to the nature of GOD.

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I do believe that God is a male because He calls Himself Father.

As the angels are His sons and are male.
 

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As if one cannot repent.

Amen.

It is easy to obey Jesus. Jesus says it is easy and it is.

Paul says we are to work out our salvation.

He also says to train ourselves.

The people who tell me I do not obey, they refuse to tell me what is acceptable not to obey.

What do they think a person could do and it be alright with God?

What do they think they do not have to repent of that they do wrong and it be okay?
 

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Jesus didn't tell everyone to do that.

Jesus had a traveling ministry and the rich man cared more for his riches than he did for God in the flesh standing in front of him.

Jesus doesn't promote worldwide homelessness.

You have no understanding.

You, GT, said that Jesus' words are for everyone, and then you contradict yourself by saying:

Jesus didn't tell everyone to do that.

So which is it, GT, are all of Jesus' words for everyone? Or is it possible that you're wrong and all of Jesus' words aren't for everyone?
 

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Here's an easy one, as early as Genesis:

Gen 48:15-16
(15) And he blessed Joseph, and said, God, before whom my fathers Abraham and Isaac did walk, the God which fed me all my life long unto this day,
(16) The Angel which redeemed me from all evil, bless the lads; and let my name be named on them, and the name of my fathers Abraham and Isaac; and let them grow into a multitude in the midst of the earth.

Shouldn't you be a little more careful before saying "nowhere?"

Where in that text does it state that God is that Angel? It doesn't, you assume it does.

The scripture is easily read to be referring to two persons, God and an Angel. Nowhere does it state God was that Angel, you've simply read your pre-conceived assumption into the text.

When Job says that even after the worms have consumed his flesh and his reins be consumed within him, how is this in a symbolic sense? Job was not in the process of "metaphorically" wasting away. His flesh was literally starting to crumble away when he said this. Have you even read this book? Do you need to be reminded of the story?

Do you have any honest objections?

I didn't state that what Job said would happen to him was symbolic, you know I didn't mean that. The point I stated was symbolic was Job "seeing God", Job saw God not literally but symbolically.
 

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gt claims that she has repented of every single minute sin she has ever committed in her life, those of commission and also those of omission, exactly as she obey ALL of Jesus' commandments. Oh, wait... She said she does not obey all of Jesus' commandments. Oh, well.

It is easy to know all my sins and repent. How is it you feel forgiven for things you do not even know you did?

Explain it how you can be forgiven of all the things you did wrong if you do not even know you did?
 

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You, GT, said that Jesus' words are for everyone, and then you contradict yourself by saying:



So which is it, GT, are all of Jesus' words for everyone? Or is it possible that you're wrong and all of Jesus' words aren't for everyone?

You are a bent man/woman who refuses to look at the Truth.
 

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Where in that text does it state that God is that Angel? It doesn't, you assume it does.

The scripture is easily read to be referring to two persons, God and an Angel. Nowhere does it state God was that Angel, you've simply read your pre-conceived assumption into the text.

Jacob is talking to God, asking Him to bless Joseph's sons, Ephraim and Manassah.

Can an angel bless someone? Or is it God that does that? Can an angel redeem someone? Or is it God that redeems?

Clearly he is not talking about an angel, but THE Angel, the Angel of the LORD.

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Interestingly enough... These two verses seem to symbolically describe the Trinity quite well.

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God who walked with the fathers of Israel, God the Father.
God who kept Jacob fed his whole life, God the Holy Spirit, the Comforter.
And the Angel who redeemed Jacob from all evil, the Angel of the LORD Himself, Jesus Christ.
 

NWL

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No, it is irrelevant because you skewed the context:

Deu 5:4
(4) The LORD talked with you face to face in the mount out of the midst of the fire,

Is clearly different than this:

Exo 33:11
(11) And the LORD spake unto Moses face to face, as a man speaketh unto his friend. And he turned again into the camp: but his servant Joshua, the son of Nun, a young man, departed not out of the tabernacle.

"Face to face out of the midst of fire" is a ton different than "face to face, as a man speaketh unto his friend."

I love how you pick and choose the seriousness of phrases, eailer you were saying that Jesus calling himself the "Son of God" was no different to calling himself "God", evidently you saw no difference in the gravity of someone calling themsleves Son of God and God, yet with "face-to-face" and "face-to-face as a man speaketh unto his friend" is somehow completely different, why? Simply because you say so. Your logic is not consistent.

The modifer "as a man speaketh unto his friend" further explains what is meant by "face-to-face", that isn't to say when God spoke "face-to-face" with the Israelite the same thing could be said.

More importantly you never answered my question, when it says Moses saw God face-to-face did Moses see Gods face?

Seriously, is that what you want to divert the argument to now? Why do you suppose that the writer of Exodus clarified what HE meant by "face to face" with "as a man speaketh unto his friend?" When friends speak to each other (before the days of Skype and cell phones) it meant they literally sat down and say each other with their eyes and with their faces. The author couldn't have made it more literal.

Again, do you know the difference between "face to face, out of the midst of fire" and "face to face, as a man speaketh unto his friend?"

I do know the difference. That does not change the point that face-to-face doesn't literally have to mean speaking to someone with a physical manifestation of them there as Deut 5:4, would you agree with this, that when scripture mentions face-to-face it doesn't have to be literal?

Please don't forget to answer my other question, namely, when it says Moses saw God face-to-face did Moses see Gods face?

Also, bearing in mind that Abraham supposedly saw God, offered him food and watched him eat, he no doubt believed God had a mouth and the ability to eat, did Abraham see Gods face? See Genesis 18:4,5
 

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You are a bent man/woman who refuses to look at the Truth.
Says the legalist.

And I believe I've mentioned it before, I am a man, thank you very much.

Could you answer my question?

So which is it, GT
Are all of Jesus' words for everyone? Or is it possible that you're wrong and all of Jesus' words aren't for everyone?
 
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