The Trinity

[lifeisgood]

Even Protestants agree, that interpreting the Apostles in the light of the Old Testament, is backward hermeneutics. Always interpret the Old in the light of the New, and never vice versa.

Like this:
And he said, Men, brethren, and fathers, hearken; The God of glory appeared unto our father Abraham, when he was in Mesopotamia, before he dwelt in Charran... (Acts 7:2)

 

[lifeisgood]

So you believe in obeying?

NOT TO BE SAVED.

 

[God's Truth]

Christ obeyed, and I preach the truth of the Cross and HIS OBEDIENCE.



How dare you go against Christ's obedience, and boast in your own?..:mmph:

Philippians 3:9 And be found in him, not having mine own righteousness, which is of the law, but that which is through the faith of Christ, the righteousness which is of God by faith:​

That scripture does not say what you say. Where do you get that scripture says we don'g have to obey?

 

[popsthebuilder]

What teachings would those be? Those that God's UNtruth preaches ad nauseum, and those to which you have joined her? It seems to be knowlingly to me, since you've both been told.

Told by who? You?

I'll stick to what is known through given faith and verified and strengthened and reiterated and expounded upon through the written word as opposed to taking your word for it, if it's all the same to you.

I don't understand why you get so bent about me agreeing with doctrinal points that can be easily discerned by any ofbthey simply read without preconception and bias.

At least you aren't saying I'm Satan though, so thanks.

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[God's Truth]

NOT TO BE SAVED.

Jesus tells us how to be saved. He tells us what to do.

So then, you say no. You say not to be saved. How about to stay saved?

 

[popsthebuilder]

If you had taken the time to read for comprehension gt's post which prompted my response, you would have jumped off gt's gravy train a while back.

As if my beliefs have anything whatsoever to do with gt.

It is good to see a few people that can actually relate to my own understanding of scripture. It is rather demoralizing at times to witness the seeming inability of the vast majority to even hold a conversation if their beliefs differ at all though.



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[Rosenritter]

Please show me where I said such a thing, I've made no such comment. What I did say s that Job "saw" God, in a figurative sense, God spoke to him out of the windstorm, again, these are not my words but the Bibles (Job 42:5).

Job 19:25-27 KJV
(25) For I know that my redeemer liveth, and that he shall stand at the latter day upon the earth:
(26) And though after my skin worms destroy this body, yet in my flesh shall I see God:
(27) Whom I shall see for myself, and mine eyes shall behold, and not another; though my reins be consumed within me.

Ah, the confusion enters because you seemed to backpedal a bit when I brought up that the context and framing of this passage is not a whimsical lucky guess that Job would behold a windstorm, and the language is not such that it would apply to any time in his current lifetime. Twice he repeats that this is something that would require his physical flesh to be restored, and twice he states that he shall see God with his physical form, in the flesh, and with his very eyes, for himself. This repetition requires a literal sense, not a symbolic.

You may allow that Job has "seen" God in a metaphorical sense, but Job's prophecy says that the day is coming when he shall see God in the literal sense. When and how does he say this happen? When his redeemer returns and stands upon the earth in the latter day.

But if I understand correctly, the JW doctrine doesn't allow for God to ever stand upon the earth and be seen with the naked eye in the latter day.

Psalms 22:16 KJV
(16) For dogs have compassed me: the assembly of the wicked have inclosed me: they pierced my hands and my feet.

Zechariah 12:9-10 KJV
(9) And it shall come to pass in that day, that I will seek to destroy all the nations that come against Jerusalem.
(10) And I will pour upon the house of David, and upon the inhabitants of Jerusalem, the spirit of grace and of supplications: and they shall look upon me whom they have pierced, and they shall mourn for him, as one mourneth for his only son, and shall be in bitterness for him, as one that is in bitterness for his firstborn.

Revelation 1:7 KJV
(7) Behold, he cometh with clouds; and every eye shall see him, and they also which pierced him: and all kindreds of the earth shall wail because of him. Even so, Amen.

It seems that Job and Zechariah (yes, that's the LORD speaking that says he was pierced ) have some sort of alliance here, coupled with David and John to demonstrate (in yet another way) that the true name of Jesus is the LORD of Hosts. NWL, I could understand if there was just one, or two, difficult passages for your idea that "Jesus is not God" but it's not one or two. It's all over the place, from so many different angles. This isn't an accident.

The Bible simply isn't written in a way to be compatible with the Jehovah's Witness doctrinal statements in this regard.

 

[popsthebuilder]

You and gt comprehension thingy is not going on. You two take the words when Jesus' said 'it is better to pluck you eye out', literally, which BTW, gt, who boastfully says she OBEYS ALL of Jesus' commandments doesn't obey that one either, because she comprehends Jesus to be saying to physically pluck her physical eye out.

No, I specifically said it wasn't literal.

What about reading comprehension?

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[lifeisgood]

Tell us what we should do.

TO BE SAVED? Absolutely, nothing! Jesus did everything. Salvation is ALL of God and absolutely nothing, and I mean absolutely nothing of gt.

 

[popsthebuilder]

I preach the obedience of ONE, the LORD JESUS CHRIST, and you preach your own obedience.

Romans 5:19 For as by one man's disobedience many were made sinners, so by the obedience of one shall many be made righteous.​

So you tell me who preaches the TRUTH. :chew:

Shall be made righteous.

As in changed. As in effected by something. As in cause (GOD) and effect (faithfulness to the One you love)



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[glorydaz]

Told by who? You?

I'll stick to what is known through given faith and verified and strengthened and reiterated and expounded upon through the written word as opposed to taking your word for it, if it's all the same to you.

I don't understand why you get so bent about me agreeing with doctrinal points that can be easily discerned by any ofbthey simply read without preconception and bias.

At least you aren't saying I'm Satan though, so thanks.

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The gospel has been preached to you. I've seen many preach it. What do you do? You go back to obedience to the law. Obey the commandments and all the rules in order to be saved. Correct? If not, then you have no business supporting what workers like God's UNtruth are preaching.

I'm not "bent" by what you're preaching. I'm calling you out on the false teachings you support.

What I see from you is a false teaching and a rejection of the Deity of Christ...that Christ is God in the flesh. That is an absolute essential of salvation.

 

[lifeisgood]

Okay, you stay on the LAW side, and I'll stay on the GRACE side. Before the cross/after the cross.

You keep trying to obey and I'll trust in His obedience.

I will use this if you don't mind.

 

[popsthebuilder]

Keep on defending the one who boastfully proclaim she OBEYS ALL of Jesus' commandments, but when questioned says that she doesn't.

I have yet to read her saying that and will defend who I see being wronged if I so choose, as I am free to do so; inclined even.

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[lifeisgood]

Jesus means literally.

OK. So go and sell everything you have.

 

[popsthebuilder]

Christ obeyed, and I preach the truth of the Cross and HIS OBEDIENCE.



How dare you go against Christ's obedience, and boast in your own?..:mmph:

Philippians 3:9 And be found in him, not having mine own righteousness, which is of the law, but that which is through the faith of Christ, the righteousness which is of God by faith:​

Is the end of that verse " :which cannot be differentiated from idol worship or knowing sin"

pretty sure it isn't.



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[lifeisgood]

What would be okay for me not to obey? How about the murder part? The stealing part? The lusting part?

Please tell me what is okay to do out of all that I am not to do.

Until you enter into HIS REST, you will always be bringing your own salvation, which has been already rejected.

 

[God's Truth]

This is a complete nonsense debate- Jesus is God- the Alpha and Omega in Revelation- Jesus is the Lord of Lords among all the prophets- the Beginning and the End_

There is only one God and He is the Father.

Since Jesus is God, he must also be that same one God and Father.

 

[glorydaz]

Shall be made righteous.

As in changed. As in effected by something. As in cause (GOD) and effect (faithfulness to the One you love)



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No, shall many.....meaning many shall be but not all. Unbeliever shall not be made righteous.

The righteousness of God is ours when first we obey the Gospel (believe unto righteousness).

Romans 10:10 For with the heart man believeth unto righteousness; and with the mouth confession is made unto salvation.​

It isn't a matter of our faithfulness, but of the Lord Jesus Christ's.

 

[God's Truth]

TO BE SAVED? Absolutely, nothing! Jesus did everything. Salvation is ALL of God and absolutely nothing, and I mean absolutely nothing of gt.

Answer the question. Tell us what we should do then, to stay saved.

 

[popsthebuilder]

This is a complete nonsense debate- Jesus is God- the Alpha and Omega in Revelation- Jesus is the Lord of Lords among all the prophets- the Beginning and the End_

Being the first born of GOD and judge of all men makes One both alpha and omega does it not?

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