The Trinity

[God's Truth]

Are you a JW too? I thought you were a modalist.

That is what you get for thoughting. I am neither of those things.

 

[JudgeRightly]

where does it say?

Spoiler

*And when they had come into the house, they saw the young Child with Mary His mother, and fell down and worshiped Him. And when they had opened their treasures, they presented gifts to Him: gold, frankincense, and myrrh. - Matthew 2:11 http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Matthew2:11&version=NKJV

Spoiler

*Then she spoke out with a loud voice and said, “Blessed are you among women, and blessed is the fruit of your womb! *But why is this granted to me, that the mother of my Lord should come to me? . . .*And Mary said:“My soul magnifies the Lord,*And my spirit has rejoiced in God my Savior.*For He has regarded the lowly state of His maidservant; For behold, henceforth all generations will call me blessed.*For He who is mighty has done great things for me, And holy is His name.*And His mercy is on those who fear Him From generation to generation.*He has shown strength with His arm;He has scattered the proud in the imagination of their hearts.*He has put down the mighty from their thrones,And exalted the lowly.*He has filled the hungry with good things,And the rich He has sent away empty.*He has helped His servant Israel,In remembrance of His mercy,*As He spoke to our fathers,To Abraham and to his seed forever.” - Luke 1:42-43,46-55 http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Luke1:42-43,46-55&version=NKJV

Spoiler

*And it came to pass in those days that a decree went out from Caesar Augustus that all the world should be registered. *This census first took place while Quirinius was governing Syria. *So all went to be registered, everyone to his own city.*Joseph also went up from Galilee, out of the city of Nazareth, into Judea, to the city of David, which is called Bethlehem, because he was of the house and lineage of David, *to be registered with Mary, his betrothed wife, who was with child. *So it was, that while they were there, the days were completed for her to be delivered. *And she brought forth her firstborn Son, and wrapped Him in swaddling cloths, and laid Him in a manger, because there was no room for them in the inn.*Now there were in the same country shepherds living out in the fields, keeping watch over their flock by night. *And behold, an angel of the Lord stood before them, and the glory of the Lord shone around them, and they were greatly afraid. *Then the angel said to them, “Do not be afraid, for behold, I bring you good tidings of great joy which will be to all people. *For there is born to you this day in the city of David a Savior, who is Christ the Lord. *And this will be the sign to you: You will find a Babe wrapped in swaddling cloths, lying in a manger.”*And suddenly there was with the angel a multitude of the heavenly host praising God and saying:*“Glory to God in the highest,And on earth peace, goodwill toward men!”*So it was, when the angels had gone away from them into heaven, that the shepherds said to one another, “Let us now go to Bethlehem and see this thing that has come to pass, which the Lord has made known to us.” *And they came with haste and found Mary and Joseph, and the Babe lying in a manger. *Now when they had seen Him, they made widely known the saying which was told them concerning this Child. *And all those who heard it marveled at those things which were told them by the shepherds. *But Mary kept all these things and pondered them in her heart. *Then the shepherds returned, glorifying and praising God for all the things that they had heard and seen, as it was told them. - Luke 2:1-20 http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Luke2:1-20&version=NKJV

Jesus is worthy of worship because Jesus is God.

God is our Savior, and Jesus is our Savior, Yet there is only one Savior.

 

[Bright Raven]

You seem to believe whoever don't accept your faith has learning disability.

From cultwatch.com


Jehovah’s witnesses are very strongly cultic in both doctrine and behaviour, thus fitting both categories of false doctrine and mind control.

 

[meshak]

That is what you get for thoughting. I am neither of those things.

thoughting?

 

[meshak]

From cultwatch.com


Jehovah’s witnesses are very strongly cultic in both doctrine and behaviour, thus fitting both categories of false doctrine and mind control.

I don't think your church is any better.

 

[meshak]

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Jesus is worthy of worship because Jesus is God.

God is our Savior, and Jesus is our Savior, Yet there is only one Savior.

God gave Jesus authority and power to be our Savior.

You don't know almighty God's power, friend.

 

[Bright Raven]

I don't think your church is any better.

Sorry to hear you talk that way. I thought Jesus told you to love and pray for your enemies.

 

[God's Truth]

thoughting?

Yeah he should think. I told him many times I am not a modalist.

 

[meshak]

Sorry to hear you talk that way. I thought Jesus told you to love and pray for your enemies.

That does not go for you? Oh, year you don't care what Jesus says. silly me.


BTW, I love you enough to tell you the whole truth.

 

[Bright Raven]

That does not go for you? Oh, year you don't care what Jesus says. silly me.


BTW, I love you enough to tell you the whole truth.

As do I. That is why you become angry with me, but I would not be being truthful to myself if I didn't.

 

[meshak]

As do I. That is why you become angry with me, but I would not be being truthful to myself if I didn't.

I am not angry with you. I am pointing out you are inconsistent to calling other Jesus followers as "cult".

that is hateful and angry word.

 

[Bright Raven]

I am not angry with you. I am pointing out you are inconsistent to calling other Jesus followers as "cult".

that is hateful and angry word.

My dear Meshak, they do not follow Jesus. They follow another Jesus who is not the Jesus of the Bible. They have even changed the Bible to fit their cultic theology.

 

[Tnkrbl123!]

Spoiler

*And when they had come into the house, they saw the young Child with Mary His mother, and fell down and worshiped Him. And when they had opened their treasures, they presented gifts to Him: gold, frankincense, and myrrh. - Matthew 2:11 http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Matthew2:11&version=NKJV

Spoiler

*Then she spoke out with a loud voice and said, “Blessed are you among women, and blessed is the fruit of your womb! *But why is this granted to me, that the mother of my Lord should come to me? . . .*And Mary said:“My soul magnifies the Lord,*And my spirit has rejoiced in God my Savior.*For He has regarded the lowly state of His maidservant; For behold, henceforth all generations will call me blessed.*For He who is mighty has done great things for me, And holy is His name.*And His mercy is on those who fear Him From generation to generation.*He has shown strength with His arm;He has scattered the proud in the imagination of their hearts.*He has put down the mighty from their thrones,And exalted the lowly.*He has filled the hungry with good things,And the rich He has sent away empty.*He has helped His servant Israel,In remembrance of His mercy,*As He spoke to our fathers,To Abraham and to his seed forever.” - Luke 1:42-43,46-55 http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Luke1:42-43,46-55&version=NKJV

Spoiler

*And it came to pass in those days that a decree went out from Caesar Augustus that all the world should be registered. *This census first took place while Quirinius was governing Syria. *So all went to be registered, everyone to his own city.*Joseph also went up from Galilee, out of the city of Nazareth, into Judea, to the city of David, which is called Bethlehem, because he was of the house and lineage of David, *to be registered with Mary, his betrothed wife, who was with child. *So it was, that while they were there, the days were completed for her to be delivered. *And she brought forth her firstborn Son, and wrapped Him in swaddling cloths, and laid Him in a manger, because there was no room for them in the inn.*Now there were in the same country shepherds living out in the fields, keeping watch over their flock by night. *And behold, an angel of the Lord stood before them, and the glory of the Lord shone around them, and they were greatly afraid. *Then the angel said to them, “Do not be afraid, for behold, I bring you good tidings of great joy which will be to all people. *For there is born to you this day in the city of David a Savior, who is Christ the Lord. *And this will be the sign to you: You will find a Babe wrapped in swaddling cloths, lying in a manger.”*And suddenly there was with the angel a multitude of the heavenly host praising God and saying:*“Glory to God in the highest,And on earth peace, goodwill toward men!”*So it was, when the angels had gone away from them into heaven, that the shepherds said to one another, “Let us now go to Bethlehem and see this thing that has come to pass, which the Lord has made known to us.” *And they came with haste and found Mary and Joseph, and the Babe lying in a manger. *Now when they had seen Him, they made widely known the saying which was told them concerning this Child. *And all those who heard it marveled at those things which were told them by the shepherds. *But Mary kept all these things and pondered them in her heart. *Then the shepherds returned, glorifying and praising God for all the things that they had heard and seen, as it was told them. - Luke 2:1-20 http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Luke2:1-20&version=NKJV

Jesus is worthy of worship because Jesus is God.

God is our Savior, and Jesus is our Savior, Yet there is only one Savior.

These are great verses to show that Jesus was worshipped, because He is GOd (along with God the Father and God the Holy Spirt)!

Here a few more places in the Bible that show Jesus being worshiped and accepting worship:

*Matthew 14:33 "And those in the boat worshiped him, saying, “Truly you are the Son of God."
-This happened right after the disciples who were in the boat saw Jesus walking on the water

*Matthew 21:9 - "And the crowds that went before him and that followed him were shouting, “Hosanna to the Son of David! Blessed is he who comes in the name of the Lord! Hosanna in the highest!”
*John 12:13 - "* So they took branches of palm trees and went out to meet him, crying out, “Hosanna! Blessed is he who comes in the name of the Lord, even the King of Israel!”
-HOSANNA: is a word that is used to express a cry for salvation, adoration and worship.*

*Thomas, after seeing the ressurrected Jesus worshipped HIm
" Thomas answered him, “My Lord and my God!” - John 20:28
-Jesus accepted this worship and this title and did not correct Thomas

*Matthew 28:8-10 - " So they left the tomb quickly with fear and great joy, and ran to tell his disciples. Suddenly Jesus met them and said, “Greetings!” And they came to him, took hold of his feet, and worshiped him. Then Jesus said to them, “Do not be afraid; go and tell my brothers to go to Galilee; there they will see me.”
-This happened after the woman went looking for Jesus at the tomb

 

[JudgeRightly]

God gave Jesus authority and power to be our Savior.

You don't know almighty God's power, friend.

You didn't read the scripture I provided.

Jesus was worshipped. God says no one and no thing is to be worshipped besides Him. Were the Magi wrong for worshipping Jesus?

Jesus was called Savior and Immanuel. Mary calls God Savior. There is only one Savior. Jesus says He is the only way to Heaven, the only Savior. Was the Angel mistaken?

Elizabeth calls Jesus in the womb "my Lord." A few verses later, Mary calls God her Lord. Are there two Lords? or just one?

"God gave Jesus authority and power to be our Savior."
Wrong. Jesus already had authority and power. Remember John 1?

Spoiler

*In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. *He was in the beginning with God. *All things were made through Him, and without Him nothing was made that was made. *In Him was life, and the life was the light of men. *And the light shines in the darkness, and the darkness did not comprehend it. . . .*He was in the world, and the world was made through Him, and the world did not know Him. *He came to His own, and His own did not receive Him. *But as many as received Him, to them He gave the right to become children of God, to those who believe in His name: *who were born, not of blood, nor of the will of the flesh, nor of the will of man, but of God.*And the Word became flesh and dwelt among us, and we beheld His glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father, full of grace and truth.*John bore witness of Him and cried out, saying, “This was He of whom I said, ‘He who comes after me is preferred before me, for He was before me.’”*And of His fullness we have all received, and grace for grace. *For the law was given through Moses, but grace and truth came through Jesus Christ. - John 1:1-5,10-17 http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=John1:1-5,10-17&version=NKJV

It very clearly says that the Word was with God, and the Word was God, and that the Word was made flesh and dwelt among us.

Tell me Meshak, who is "the Word" who was with God, and who was God? :idea: Do you think that "The Word" is Jesus, who was with God and who was God? :think:

 

[meshak]

My dear Meshak, they do not follow Jesus. They follow another Jesus who is not the Jesus of the Bible. They have even changed the Bible to fit their cultic theology.

I have been to their bible study and they sure honor Jesus' teachings and strive to be like Him. Why do you think they don't approve of killing their enemy? On the other hand, you do? You disregard too many of Jesus' teachings.

You need to be careful slandering godly Christians. Jesus does not take it lightly.

 

[meshak]

You didn't read the scripture I provided.

I don't have to. I know your understanding is no different from typical churchgoers.

that's why you are pro-military and trinity believer.

 

[JudgeRightly]

Maybe the JWs think you are in a cult.

" Cult" is in the eyes of beholder.

I believe most of you are in the cult.

Are you a JW too? I thought you were a modalist.

From cultwatch.com

Jehovah’s witnesses are very strongly cultic in both doctrine and behaviour, thus fitting both categories of false doctrine and mind control.

I don't think your church is any better.

My dear Meshak, they do not follow Jesus. They follow another Jesus who is not the Jesus of the Bible. They have even changed the Bible to fit their cultic theology.

kgov.com/cults

 

[Bright Raven]

I have been to their bible study and they sure honor Jesus' teachings and strive to be like Him. Why do you think they don't approve of killing their enemy? On the other hand, you do? You disregard too many of Jesus' teachings.

You need to be careful slandering godly Christians. Jesus does not take it lightly.

Meshak, They changed the Bible in 1950 with the publishing of the New World Translation. I'm sure that you are aware of what God says about will happen to those who add to or subtract from His Book.

 

[Bright Raven]

kgov.com/cult

page not found error to your link.

 

[JudgeRightly]

I don't have to.

You should, because the verses I provided say you're wrong.

I know your understanding is no different from typical churchgoers.

Says the person who is unwilling to look at Bible verses that are presented in contrast to her argument.

that's why you are pro-military and trinity believer.

You're apathetic towards your neighbor, which is a sin, and willfully ignorant of what is clearly stated in the Bible.

Meshak, did my comments earlier fall upon deaf ears about offering you an olive branch and starting over so that we can discuss scripture without any hindrances?