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JudgeRightly

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keypurr said:
Oh my, you are brainwashed my friend.

There and many place where the Bible conflicts with itself. I have a book around here someplace you might be interested in. It deals mostly with the JKV. But it prove that none are perfect.
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So you think that the Word of God (the Bible) has inconsistencies in it? That it has mistakes?

And I'm not talking grammatical or spelling mistakes, I'm talking about errors that would make it contradict itself.

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jamie

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keypurr said:
Are you saying that I do not honor my Lord? It matters not if he is a creation because God made him Lord. Jesus did not exist until God created him in Mary's body. Jesus was a man, the FLESH son of God created to be the Lamb and the body to house the logos. You just assume to much Jamie.
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Why did the Father name his Son Jesus. Does that name have meaning?

When was the sacrificial Lamb designated? Why a sacrificial Lamb. What was his name?
 
jamie

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keypurr said:
Jesus Christ
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Do you mean Jesus the Christ.

Jesus refers to the Savior, Christ to the King.

There is just one Savior, but Christ is the King of many kings.

As far as I can tell based on what you have written is that you have a mystical conception of our Savior.

Why are you maligning our Savior Jesus?
 
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jamie said:
Do you mean Jesus the Christ.

Jesus refers to the Savior, Christ to the King.

There is just one Savior, but Christ is the King of many kings.

As far as I can tell based on what you have written is that you have a mystical conception of our Savior.

Why are you maligning our Savior Jesus?
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It is his lot in life!
 
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jamie said:
Was Lucifer a perfect creation?

You were perfect in your ways from the day you were created, till iniquity was found in you.
(Ezekiel 28:15)​
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You seem to miss the qualifying statement that tells you in what way Lucifer was perfect. He was perfect in his ways, not in his being. Not only that, but the Hebrew word translated as "perfect" here means complete, whole, or without blemish. Furthermore, "from the day you were created, until iniquity was found in you" sets the timeframe in which Lucifer was without blemish. It in no way says that Lucifer was perfectly created.

jamie said:
Do you dispute Ezekiel?
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I realize that this is a statement meant to "put me in my place" so-to-speak, but, as I have stated above, this verse in no way claims that Lucifer was perfectly created. Furthermore, if I was indeed trying to dispute this verse, I would be disputing God, not Ezekiel because the word of the LORD came to Ezekiel telling him to say that to the King.

jamie said:
How about Adam?

Then God saw everything that He had made, and indeed it was very good. (Genesis 1:31)​

Was Adam a faulty creation?
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God saw everything that he made, and indeed it was what? Perfect? No, it was very good. Very good isn't even close to perfect. Man wasn't even made equal with the angels; man was made a little lower than the angels, at least for as long as we remain in the physical realm. (Psalms 8:5) If man is a little lower than the angels, how can we claim to have been perfectly created?

jamie said:
We know everything was created through Christ, do you believe Christ was an incompetent or inexperienced craftsman?
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Not by any means, I do however believe that God is sovereign and had a purpose for making man imperfect.
 
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Veritas veritate said:
I realize that this is a statement meant to "put me in my place" so-to-speak...
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Not at all, I was just asking to hear your side of the story if you disputed Ezekiel's claim.

So you're saying Lucifer was complete, whole, or without blemish, but not perfect, right?

As for Adam, how do we know Adam didn't grow into a man who was complete, whole, or without blemish?

After all, Adam lived several years after his sin.

I don't put people in their place, I just ask for their interpretation of scripture.

If I disagree with their interpretation I may reply or I may not depending on whether I believe they are without hope. Many posts I don't even read or respond to. I'm selective.
 
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jamie said:
Not at all, I was just asking to hear your side of the story if you disputed Ezekiel's claim.

So you're saying Lucifer was complete, whole, or without blemish, but not perfect, right?
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Please do not infer what I did not imply. It said that Lucifer was perfect in his ways. The same way if I were to say that my son had perfect behavior from the time he woke up until dinner time. The same could be said of Adam. He was perfect in his ways from the nine he was put in eden until he ate the forbidden fruit. Immoral people can behave morally during a space of time, but just because they act morally for that time it in no way makes them a moral person.

jamie said:
As for Adam, how do we know Adam didn't grow into a man who was complete, whole, or without blemish?

After all, Adam lived several years after his sin.
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But he also died... if it were possible to attain completeness, wholeness or become without blemish after sinning, then there would not have been the need of the Savior. The fact is, doing all the good in the world is worth nothing more than filthy rags once we are marred by sin. We can only become perfect in Jesus the Messiah once sin is manifest because of our sinful nature. Thank God that what Jesus has accomplished reaches all the way back to Adam and not just forward in time.

As much as I would like to continue this conversation, I do not wish to hijack this thread to do so. Perhaps we could start a separate thread to continue.
 
keypurr

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JudgeRightly said:
So you think that the Word of God (the Bible) has inconsistencies in it? That it has mistakes?

And I'm not talking grammatical or spelling mistakes, I'm talking about errors that would make it contradict itself.

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I can not find the book I was looking for but these two books might be of interest to you. The author is a well known scholar from the University of North Carolina.

Forged

The Orthodox Corruption of Scripture

Both by Bart Ehrman.

I have the e-books, well worth your time to read.




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keypurr

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jamie said:
Do you mean Jesus the Christ.

Jesus refers to the Savior, Christ to the King.

There is just one Savior, but Christ is the King of many kings.

As far as I can tell based on what you have written is that you have a mystical conception of our Savior.

Why are you maligning our Savior Jesus?
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Your unable to see my thoughts jamie.


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