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Bright Raven

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keypurr said:
I did not say Jesus was the creator.

I said the son did the creating for his Father, that is the express image spirit son BR. The logos that dwelled in the body of Jesus. Both of which are creations. The created spirit son was given the fullness of his creator. He is a created form of God.

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Believe what you want. Just so you know I will say it again. Jesus is Creator.

Colossians 1:16-20 King James Version (KJV)

16 For by him were all things created, that are in heaven, and that are in earth, visible and invisible, whether they be thrones, or dominions, or principalities, or powers: all things were created by him, and for him:

17 And he is before all things, and by him all things consist.

18 And he is the head of the body, the church: who is the beginning, the firstborn from the dead; that in all things he might have the preeminence.

19 For it pleased the Father that in him should all fulness dwell;

20 And, having made peace through the blood of his cross, by him to reconcile all things unto himself; by him, I say, whether they be things in earth, or things in heaven.
 
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Bright Raven said:
Believe what you want. Just so you know I will say it again. Jesus is Creator.

Colossians 1:16-20 King James Version (KJV)

16 For by him were all things created, that are in heaven, and that are in earth, visible and invisible, whether they be thrones, or dominions, or principalities, or powers: all things were created by him, and for him:

17 And he is before all things, and by him all things consist.

18 And he is the head of the body, the church: who is the beginning, the firstborn from the dead; that in all things he might have the preeminence.

19 For it pleased the Father that in him should all fulness dwell;

20 And, having made peace through the blood of his cross, by him to reconcile all things unto himself; by him, I say, whether they be things in earth, or things in heaven.
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You forgot verse 15.
Where is the name Jesus?
Jesus was not at the creation BR.
But the spirit son that went into him was. You do not understand that the true son God sent is a spirit.

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keypurr said:
You forgot verse 15.
Where is the name Jesus?
Jesus was not at the creation BR.
But the spirit son that went into him was. You do not understand that the true son God sent is a spirit.

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You're begging the question. Nowhere in the Bible does it say that Jesus is a different person than Christ. NOWHERE.

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You're begging the question. Nowhere in the Bible does it say that Jesus is a different person than Christ. NOWHERE.

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I have named the logos as Christ because Christ is used elsewhere as being with God at the beginning. I think it was in 2 Cort 4 but I am not sure. It said Christ is the image of God so I connected it to the express image in Hebrews 1:3.

You do not seem to believe that God, being a spirit, created his exact image, also a spirit, and gave it his power. Maybe you need to ponder on that. What if I am correct on this? This secret was right in front on my eyes for many years. But it was right there all the time.

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keypurr said:
You forgot verse 15.
Where is the name Jesus?
Jesus was not at the creation BR.
But the spirit son that went into him was. You do not understand that the true son God sent is a spirit.

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You believe a false teaching!

Christ is the firstborn over all creation, "or of every created being." Some false teachers suggest that the Lord Jesus is Himself a created being, that He was the first person whom God ever made. Some are even willing to go so far as to admit that He is the greatest creature to ever come out of the hand of God. But nothing could be more directly contrary to the teaching of the word of God.
The expression firstborn has at least three different meanings in scripture. In Luke 2:7, it is used in a literal sense, where Mary brought forth her firstborn Son. There it means that the Lord Jesus was the first child to whom she gave birth. In Exodus 4:22, on the other hand it is used in a figurative sense. "Israel is my son, even My firstborn." In that verse there is no thought of a birth having taken place but the Lord is using this word to describe the distinctive place which the nation of Israel had in His plans and purposes. Finally in Ps 89:27, the word firstborn is used to designate a place of superiority, of supremacy, of uniqueness. There, God says that He will make David His firstborn, higher than the kings of the earth. David was actually the last born of Jesse according to the flesh. But God determined to give Him a place of unique supremacy,primacy and sovereignty.
Is that not the thought of Colossians 1:15-the firstborn over all creation? The Lord Jesus Christ is God's unique Son. In one sense all believer's are sons of God, but the Lord Jesus Christ is God's Son in a way that is not true of any other. He existed before all creation and occupies a position of supremacy over it. His is the rank of eminence and dominion. The expression firstborn over all creation has nothing to do with birth here. It simply means that He is God's Son by an eternal relationship. It is a title of priority of position, and not simply one of time. (from the Believer's Bible Commentary)
 
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Bright Raven said:
You believe a false teaching!

Christ is the firstborn over all creation, "or of every created being." Some false teachers suggest that the Lord Jesus is Himself a created being, that He was the first person whom God ever made. Some are even willing to go so far as to admit that He is the greatest creature to ever come out of the hand of God. But nothing could be more directly contrary to the teaching of the word of God.
The expression firstborn has at least three different meanings in scripture. In Luke 2:7, it is used in a literal sense, where Mary brought forth her firstborn Son. There it means that the Lord Jesus was the first child to whom she gave birth. In Exodus 4:22, on the other hand it is used in a figurative sense. "Israel is my son, even My firstborn." In that verse there is no thought of a birth having taken place but the Lord is using this word to describe the distinctive place which the nation of Israel had in His plans and purposes. Finally in Ps 89:27, the word firstborn is used to designate a place of superiority, of supremacy, of uniqueness. There, God says that He will make David His firstborn, higher than the kings of the earth. David was actually the last born of Jesse according to the flesh. But God determined to give Him a place of unique supremacy,primacy and sovereignty.
Is that not the thought of Colossians 1:15-the firstborn over all creation? The Lord Jesus Christ is God's unique Son. In one sense all believer's are sons of God, but the Lord Jesus Christ is God's Son in a way that is not true of any other. He existed before all creation and occupies a position of supremacy over it. His is the rank of eminence and dominion. The expression firstborn over all creation has nothing to do with birth here. It simply means that He is God's Son by an eternal relationship. It is a title of priority of position, and not simply one of time. (from the Believer's Bible Commentary)
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Your blind BR. You can not see the spirit that was in Jesus. The Universe was not made by a man. The express image is not a man. And both the express image and Jesus are creations. You have been misled like I was for years. Seek deeper BR for your missing a lot.

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keypurr said:
Your blind BR. You can not see the spirit that was in Jesus. The Universe was not made by a man. The express image is not a man. And both the express image and Jesus are creations. You have been misled like I was for years. Seek deeper BR for your missing a lot.

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I only have one thing to say. You're lost friend!
 
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keypurr said:
Your blind BR. You can not see the spirit that was in Jesus. The Universe was not made by a man. The express image is not a man. And both the express image and Jesus are creations. You have been misled like I was for years. Seek deeper BR for your missing a lot.
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Keypurr, Jesus was not always a man. He was spirit before he became a man (to say otherwise undermines the fact that God changes and that he is not timeless). We do not say that Jesus was always a man, nor was he a man at creation, we say that Jesus BECAME flesh 2000 years ago, so that the flesh could be crucified on the cross.

By saying that Jesus is not Christ, you undermine the entire gospel, because you say that a spirit took over a body just so that the body could die, and the spirit would go back to heaven. Do you not see the problem with that? That if it was not Christ who died, but instead Jesus, whom you claim is a separate person, then Christ didn't really die after all, and the ent

keypurr said:
I disagree, I am quite secure in my thoughts BR.
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Every time you say that you know more now than you did before or that you broke away from the church and you say your theology is the right one, all I can think of is Romans 1:22.

"22 Professing to be wise, they became fools"

And about images? Verse 23.

"23 and changed the glory of the incorruptible God into an image made like corruptible man—and birds and four-footed animals and creeping things."

Keypurr, wake up! You're contentment is you becoming "lukewarm." God would rather you be hot or cold.

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Keypurr, Jesus was not always a man. He was spirit before he became a man (to say otherwise undermines the fact that God changes and that he is not timeless). We do not say that Jesus was always a man, nor was he a man at creation, we say that Jesus BECAME flesh 2000 years ago, so that the flesh could be crucified on the cross.

By saying that Jesus is not Christ, you undermine the entire gospel, because you say that a spirit took over a body just so that the body could die, and the spirit would go back to heaven. Do you not see the problem with that? That if it was not Christ who died, but instead Jesus, whom you claim is a separate person, then Christ didn't really die after all, and the ent



Every time you say that you know more now than you did before or that you broke away from the church and you say your theology is the right one, all I can think of is Romans 1:22.

"22 Professing to be wise, they became fools"

And about images? Verse 23.

"23 and changed the glory of the incorruptible God into an image made like corruptible man—and birds and four-footed animals and creeping things."

Keypurr, wake up! You're contentment is you becoming "lukewarm." God would rather you be hot or cold.

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I see Jesus as only a man. He did not exist until be was born. You assume he did. The true spirit son (logos) did exist, and he did dwell in the body prepared for him. This info was given to me from the spirit within. It started me to study if it is true, and I could not disprove it. I could only make it more supportive. It took many years for God to reveal this to me. But he has a time for all that he does.

My contentment is real, my understanding is right. I know my thoughts go against tradition, but that is OK. Jesus became the Christ when he was anointed with the logos. That is when the voice from above declared that this was his son.

Believe in your church if you wish, I will still treat you as a brother, but I can never return to be a Trin believer. I have never been closer to my God and my Lord as I am right now. I did not find God in church, I found him outside, in the world he created.

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keypurr said:
Yep, that snake again.
What if the snake was no more?
What a great world this would be.
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If a person wanted to increase their physical strength could they use weights?

If a person wanted to increase their spiritual strength could they use weights?
 
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keypurr said:
I see Jesus as only a man. He did not exist until be was born. You assume he did. The true spirit son (logos) did exist, and he did dwell in the body prepared for him. This info was given to me from the spirit within. It started me to study if it is true, and I could not disprove it. I could only make it more supportive. It took many years for God to reveal this to me. But he has a time for all that he does.

My contentment is real, my understanding is right. I know my thoughts go against tradition, but that is OK. Jesus became the Christ when he was anointed with the logos. That is when the voice from above declared that this was his son.

Believe in your church if you wish, I will still treat you as a brother, but I can never return to be a Trin believer. I have never been closer to my God and my Lord as I am right now. I did not find God in church, I found him outside, in the world he created.

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Ah Keypurr, It is in black and white right in front of your nose and you still reject it. But I will Keep posting it for I still believe that you know the truth and the truth is not what you post. I'm praying for you friend.

John 1:1 King James Version (KJV)

1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.

John 1:14 King James Version (KJV)

14 And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth.
 
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Bright Raven said:
Ah Keypurr, It is in black and white right in front of your nose and you still reject it. But I will Keep posting it for I still believe that you know the truth and the truth is not what you post. I'm praying for you friend.

John 1:1 King James Version (KJV)

1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.

John 1:14 King James Version (KJV)

14 And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth.
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You want to use the KJV ?
Why not the Bishops version?

Or better still the AENT.

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To both questions - yes it is: i.e biblical/and taught in the Bible. That is is Tanakh and NT. In Tanakh, in the P creation story: Genesis 1.1-24a. Theophilus of Antioch was the first to point this out, but it was ignored, and has remained neglected for more than millennium. Ad Autolycum, Book 2, Chapter XV, Of The Fourth Day - in the first century, briefly mentions the story of the first three Days in relation to the doctrine of Trinity, after which it disappears permanently.

If you want details, that is, if your question is serious, I can give you plenty. Unfortunately this post, seems to have died.
 
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keypurr said:
I see Jesus as only a man. He did not exist until be was born.
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Jesus assumed the mantle of the Lamb of God before humans were created.

Christ is a title for a king, in this case the King of other kings.

The preeminent King.

He who does not honor the Son does not honor the Father who sent Him. (John 5:23)​

Maligning the Son does not honor the Father.
 
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