musterion
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Choice.
The Trinity
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Choice.
To answer this, let me ask you a question to lay some groundwork. Why does Paul, in Romans 12:9 say to let love be without hypocrisy?
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Was Lucifer a perfect creation?
You were perfect in your ways from the day you were created, till iniquity was found in you.
(Ezekiel 28:15)
(Ezekiel 28:15)
Do you dispute Ezekiel?
How about Adam?
Then God saw everything that He had made, and indeed it was very good. (Genesis 1:31)
Was Adam a faulty creation?
We know everything was created through Christ, do you believe Christ was an incompetent or inexperienced craftsman?
How so?
Lack of character. Character cannot be created by decree. If it could there would be no sin.
keypurr
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Get involved with the wrong people can do it. Rich people do not see life as most do.
Adam and Eve were influenced by their environment. Moses was, everyone is.
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Adam and Eve walked with God, yet they chose to reject Him. It was a perfect environment, a paradise, heaven on earth. They disobeyed, and as a result, were kicked out. Satan, the snake, lived in the same environment, and thought in his heart to rebel against God. So your argument doesn't hold up under scrutiny. I will get into this in a bit.
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He who has an ear, let him hear what the Spirit says to the churches. To him who overcomes ... (Revelation 2:7)
He who has an ear, let him hear what the Spirit says to the churches. He who overcomes... (Revelation 2:11)
He who has an ear, let him hear what the Spirit says to the churches. To him who overcomes... (Revelation 2:17)
And he who overcomes... (Revelation 2:26)
He who overcomes... (Revelation 3:5)
He who overcomes... (Revelation 3:12)
To him who overcomes... (Revelation 3:21)
He who has an ear, let him hear what the Spirit says to the churches. He who overcomes... (Revelation 2:11)
He who has an ear, let him hear what the Spirit says to the churches. To him who overcomes... (Revelation 2:17)
And he who overcomes... (Revelation 2:26)
He who overcomes... (Revelation 3:5)
He who overcomes... (Revelation 3:12)
To him who overcomes... (Revelation 3:21)
Do you see the common denominator?
keypurr
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Nope, it PROVES my point.
Everything was good except the snake in their environment. Eve fell for the snakes trick.
The snake is still at work in this world. Like a wolf in sheep's clothing.
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Veritas veritate
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First, I need to take the time to apologize to you. Correct me if I am wrong, but, based on how you responded, it seems to me that you feel that I was attacking you in some way with my response. That was not my intention and I apologize. There is no way to convey tone in writing; therefore, moving forward I will try to word my responses in a way that might limit that happening in the future. I am in no way trying to attack anyone here on TOL. It is my goal to engage myself and others in conversations that will continually force us to evaluate our thoughts and beliefs that they might be solidified if they are indeed of truth and abandoned if they are not as we defend our positions using logic, reasoning, and evidence.
That being said, I need to point out a couple of things within your response. I will, however, have to do this a little later tonight as I have some family responsibilities to attend to at this moment.
Again, the snake, who was indeed Lucifer, existed in the same Garden at the same time as Adam and Eve. What influence caused Lucifer to sin?
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keypurr
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Yep, that snake again.
What if the snake was no more?
What a great world this would be.
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keypurr
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Pride, thirst for more power.
He wanted God's job.
I am not sure if his name is Lucifer.
Its questionable.
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Pride was Lucifer's sin. What caused him to become prideful?
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keypurr
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He was created perfect.
He was power hungry like Trump.
He might have been jealous of God's spirit son who created all for his Father. Christ had glory with his Father before the worlds were made.
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You have it partly right.
keypurr
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Jesus is Creator as you said. Therefore He cannot be created.
keypurr
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I did not say Jesus was the creator.
I said the son did the creating for his Father, that is the express image spirit son BR. The logos that dwelled in the body of Jesus. Both of which are creations. The created spirit son was given the fullness of his creator. He is a created form of God.
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1Mind1Spirit
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Please define what you mean by: "walked with God".