The Trinity

The Trinity


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Bright Raven

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Let scripture do it.

Php 2:5 Let this mind be in you, which was also in Christ Jesus:
Php 2:6 Who, being in the form of God, thought it not robbery to be equal with God:
Php 2:7 But made himself of no reputation, and took upon him the form of a servant, and was made in the likeness of men:
Php 2:8 And being found in fashion as a man, he humbled himself, and became obedient unto death, even the death of the cross.
Php 2:9 Wherefore God also hath highly exalted him, and given him a name which is above every name:
Php 2:10 That at the name of Jesus every knee should bow, of things in heaven, and things in earth, and things under the earth;
Php 2:11 And that every tongue should confess that Jesus Christ is Lord, to the glory of God the Father.


Rom 14:11 For it is written, As I live, saith the Lord, every knee shall bow to me, and every tongue shall confess to God.
Rom 14:12 So then every one of us shall give account of himself to God.


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So you are saying that it is OK to worship something created.
 

keypurr

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Let's learn to walk before we learn to run, friend. You're trying to run. My question is of walking.

Keypurr, is it wrong to worship a created being?
A. Yes
B. No
C. I don't know

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A and B

Christ is a creation and we are told to bend our knees by his and our God. God has elevated him to a special statis. We should not worship creatures other than his Son.

You fail to understand that there is only one God and Christ has a God, so Christ can not be God. If he is not God then he is a creature as we are told in Col 1:15. Heb 1:3.

Your hung up on this because you are not seeing Christ as the exact image of the Father. Name any image that is not a creation. You can't, for all images are created by the subject of the image.

It goes deep friend. Start by learning that there is only one God and Christ has a God. Learn that Christ is a creature with special powers that no one else was given. He is a created form of God, not God.


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Christ is a creation and we are told to bend our knees by his and our God. God has elevated him to a special statis. We should not worship creatures other than his Son.
Where in scripture does it say that Jesus is the only creature that we can worship? My bible says this:

Romans 1:25 Holman Christian Standard Bible (HCSB)

25 They exchanged the truth of God for a lie, and worshiped and served something created instead of the Creator, who is praised forever. Amen.

Luke 4:8 Holman Christian Standard Bible (HCSB)

8 And Jesus answered him,[a] “It is written:

Worship the Lord your God,
and serve Him only.”
 

jsanford108

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A and B

Christ is a creation and we are told to bend our knees by his and our God. God has elevated him to a special statis. We should not worship creatures other than his Son.

You fail to understand that there is only one God and Christ has a God, so Christ can not be God. If he is not God then he is a creature as we are told in Col 1:15. Heb 1:3.

Your hung up on this because you are not seeing Christ as the exact image of the Father. Name any image that is not a creation. You can't, for all images are created by the subject of the image.

It goes deep friend. Start by learning that there is only one God and Christ has a God. Learn that Christ is a creature with special powers that no one else was given. He is a created form of God, not God.


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Not to intrude in this debate. But a point to make: Christ was never created. If one accepts the Trinity, Christ, being one with God and in God, is eternal. Christ was begotten, not made. He is consubstantial with God.


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That's not how multiple choice works, Keypurr. Are God's laws arbitrary, that it applies to some circumstances, but not others?

Christ is a creation and we are told to bend our knees by his and our God. God has elevated him to a special statis. We should not worship creatures other than his Son.

You fail to understand that there is only one God and Christ has a God, so Christ can not be God. If he is not God then he is a creature as we are told in Col 1:15. Heb 1:3.

Your hung up on this because you are not seeing Christ as the exact image of the Father. Name any image that is not a creation. You can't, for all images are created by the subject of the image.

It goes deep friend. Start by learning that there is only one God and Christ has a God. Learn that Christ is a creature with special powers that no one else was given. He is a created form of God, not God.



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keypurr

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Not to intrude in this debate. But a point to make: Christ was never created. If one accepts the Trinity, Christ, being one with God and in God, is eternal. Christ was begotten, not made. He is consubstantial with God.


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I disagree, Christ is a creation. The Trinity is false.


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Eagles Wings

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Not to intrude in this debate. But a point to make: Christ was never created. If one accepts the Trinity, Christ, being one with God and in God, is eternal. Christ was begotten, not made. He is consubstantial with God.


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Ah, you must be familiar with the historic Athanasian Creed:

Whoever desires to be saved should above all hold to the catholic (Christian) faith.
Anyone who does not keep it whole and unbroken will doubtless perish eternally.
Now this is the catholic (Christian) faith:


That we worship one God in trinity and the trinity in unity,
neither blending their persons
nor dividing their essence.

For the person of the Father is a distinct person,
the person of the Son is another,
and that of the Holy Spirit still another.
But the divinity of the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit is one,
their glory equal, their majesty coeternal.
What quality the Father has, the Son has, and the Holy Spirit has.
The Father is uncreated,
the Son is uncreated,
the Holy Spirit is uncreated.
The Father is immeasurable,
the Son is immeasurable,
the Holy Spirit is immeasurable.
The Father is eternal,
the Son is eternal,
the Holy Spirit is eternal.
And yet there are not three eternal beings;
there is but one eternal being.
So too there are not three uncreated or immeasurable beings;
there is but one uncreated and immeasurable being.
Similarly, the Father is almighty,
the Son is almighty,
the Holy Spirit is almighty.
Yet there are not three almighty beings;
there is but one almighty being.
Thus the Father is God,
the Son is God,
the Holy Spirit is God.
Yet there are not three gods;
there is but one God.
Thus the Father is Lord,
the Son is Lord,
the Holy Spirit is Lord.
Yet there are not three lords;
there is but one Lord.
Just as Christian truth compels us
to confess each person individually
as both God and Lord,
so catholic religion forbids us
to say that there are three gods or lords.
The Father was neither made nor created nor begotten from anyone.
The Son was neither made nor created;
he was begotten from the Father alone.
The Holy Spirit was neither made nor created nor begotten;
he proceeds from the Father and the Son.
Accordingly there is one Father, not three fathers;
there is one Son, not three sons;
there is one Holy Spirit, not three holy spirits.
Nothing in this trinity is before or after,
nothing is greater or smaller;
in their entirety the three persons
are coeternal and coequal with each other.
So in everything, as was said earlier,
we must worship their trinity in their unity
and their unity in their trinity.
Anyone then who desires to be saved
should think thus about the trinity.
But it is necessary for eternal salvation
that one also believe in the incarnation
of our Lord Jesus Christ faithfully.
Now this is the true faith:
That we believe and confess
that our Lord Jesus Christ, God's Son,
is both God and human, equally.
He is God from the essence of the Father,
begotten before time;
and he is human from the essence of his mother,
born in time;
completely God, completely human,
with a rational soul and human flesh;
equal to the Father as regards divinity,
less than the Father as regards humanity.
Although he is God and human,
yet Christ is not two, but one.
He is one, however,
not by his divinity being turned into flesh,
but by God's taking humanity to himself.
He is one,
certainly not by the blending of his essence,
but by the unity of his person.
For just as one human is both rational soul and flesh,
so too the one Christ is both God and human.
He suffered for our salvation;
he descended to hell;
he arose from the dead;
he ascended to heaven;
he is seated at the Father's right hand;
from there he will come to judge the living and the dead.
At his coming all people will arise bodily
and give an accounting of their own deeds.
Those who have done good will enter eternal life,
and those who have done evil will enter eternal fire.

This is the catholic (Christian) faith:
one cannot be saved without believing it firmly and faithfully
 

keypurr

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Where in the Bible does it say Christ was "created"?

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Heb 1:3 Who being the brightness of his glory, and the express image of his person, and upholding all things by the word of his power, when he had by himself purged our sins, sat down on the right hand of the Majesty on high;

Col 1:15 Who is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn of every creature:

Ponder on these, remember that God is a Spirit, so is his Son.
 

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Heb 1:3 Who being the brightness of his glory, and the express image of his person, and upholding all things by the word of his power, when he had by himself purged our sins, sat down on the right hand of the Majesty on high;

Col 1:15 Who is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn of every creature:

Ponder on these, remember that God is a Spirit, so is his Son.
Neither of those say Jesus Christ was "created".

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Heb 1:3 Who being the brightness of his glory, and the express image of his person, and upholding all things by the word of his power, when he had by himself purged our sins, sat down on the right hand of the Majesty on high;

Col 1:15 Who is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn of every creature:

Ponder on these, remember that God is a Spirit, so is his Son.

His Son is NOT a spirit. He is a man and will be forever.

Hebrews 13:8 Holman Christian Standard Bible (HCSB)

8 Jesus Christ is the same yesterday, today, and forever.
 

keypurr

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His Son is NOT a spirit. He is a man and will be forever.

Hebrews 13:8 Holman Christian Standard Bible (HCSB)

8 Jesus Christ is the same yesterday, today, and forever.

Your wrong BR, his Son was called an IT in the early translations.

God is a Spirit so his exact image is a spirit.
 

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Still fishing with an empty hook.

My bedtime folks, been up since 5am yesterday, got to hit the hay. But I will be back unless they get rid of me here.

Keypurr, stop obfuscating and just answer my direct questions.

Should we worship a created being?

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