The Trinity
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I'm going to tel you point blank: I gave up with anti-trinitarians a long time ago- I don't go too far with this debate anymore than I do with evolutionists.
If you compare and contrast Isaiah and the New Testament- particularly John and Luke- you cannot come to any other conclusion without contradicting the Bible.
But you all will never accept it, because you all are not trying to reach the truth of the matter but rather your preconception.
You aren't humble enough to admit you are wrong
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You gave up because your argument is weak and baseless.
One should never give up on defending their faith.
I gave up your faith in the Trinity for truth a long time ago.
If I am wrong at least it was my thoughts and not the lies of my forefathers. Christ did not preach trinity, he preached his Father was the only true God.
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I'm going to tel you point blank: I gave up with anti-trinitarians a looong time ago.
If you go between Isaiah and the New Testament- particularly John and Luke- you cannot come to any other conclusion without contradicting the Bible.
But you all will never accept it, because you all are not trying to reach the truth of the matter but rather your preconception.
You aren't humble enough to admit you are wrong
You gave up because your argument is weak and baseless.
One should never give up on defending their faith.
I gave up your faith in the Trinity for truth a long time ago.
If I am wrong at least it was my thoughts and not the lies of my forefathers. Christ did not preach trinity, he preached his Father was the only true God.
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You should watch that Watchtower video someone posted.
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Keypurr, would you agree with me that a created being cannot be God, and that we or anyone should not worship a created being as God or treat one as God?
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I've said my piece- you go on and compare Isaiah, John, and Luke Broseph
It's not something God demands for salvation- it's just theology.
But it is an important thing to recognize Christ as who he is
Friend it is ok to disagree, that is why we both like this forum. We learn from each other. I am well aware that Christ is the Son of God. And I am also aware that Christ has a God above him.
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You'd be a fan of the Adoptionist view, which Origen noted in his theology- he was never declared anathema, but never canonized into sainthood either.
The Early Church had a lot of respect for him- the thing is, he wasn't right on account of Jesus' being.
But that's how I feel- I simply don't see any way out of it looking at the scriptures.
But to each his own, I guess we'll find out when Azrael pays us a visit
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A created being can be a form of God if given the fullness of his God. And if the Father says to worship him as Lord then we should do so.
The logos is the express image of his creator. It is the first of all creatures yet was given power of his God. The power to create. The worlds.
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So you're saying that a created being can be God?
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You'd be a fan of the Adoptionist view, which Origen noted in his theology- he was never declared anathema, but never canonized into sainthood either.
The Early Church had a lot of respect for him- the thing is, he wasn't right on account of Jesus' being.
But that's how I feel- I simply don't see any way out of it looking at the scriptures.
But to each his own, I guess we'll find out when Azrael pays us a visit
I have not read Origen words for years, but I questioned what he wrote. I have no respect for the church that misguided the folks in the early years , 100-400ad.
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The Catholic Church has always had a lineage of dogma and doctrine underneath the declarations of the popes.
And they are what gave birth to the Reformation.
Not a lot of people understand this, but it's true. From Augustine to Calvin brother
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keypurr
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The Catholic Church has always had a lineage of dogma and doctrine underneath the declarations of the popes.
And they are what gave birth to the Reformation.
Not a lot of people understand this, but it's true. From Augustine to Calvin brother
I love a lot of RC folks, my grandmother was one. But I see the RCC as a major distortion of truth. Luther and Calvin were not much better. The true church was under attack in the first century. Your Popes have no truth in them.
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I have no popes.
I'm a Calvinist
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America become a transfigured mass of heresy- don't be duped into that myriad of nonsense.
I got love for my fellow countrymen- but damn if they aren't skewed in the theology department
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Keypurr, can I just get a straight yes or no from you? Is it wrong to worship a created being?
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